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thefitz
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May 10, 2020
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$2500-$4200 USD on Chrono24.
Chrono24 is a worldwide watch resale site for you discount Seiko/Orient types who run their mouths about watches over $150.
TwentySixAnd
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May 11, 2020
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thefitzIf you like it I dare you to buy it... and wear it!
ED61
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May 11, 2020
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thefitzSo what’s your point regardless of what Chrono24 charges for this watch it’s an ugly piece of shit Chrono24 sells ugly pieces of shit to along with the best of the best from around the world i got my omega there full set 5 year international warranty and my pelagos 31/2 year international warranty full set 40% off retail for the omega and 30% retail off the Tudor and one day i might just buy a zenith or speedmaster from that site also even if they do sell garbage 🗑 like this
thefitz
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May 11, 2020
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TwentySixAndI'm waiting for that 52mm Corum Bubble with 666 and the devil on it to come back
thefitz
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May 11, 2020
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ED61My point is there's an irritating circle jerk of cheapskates that love to pile on with the comments.
TwentySixAnd
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May 11, 2020
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thefitzWho has enough money to spend on something you would never wear?
TwentySixAnd
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May 11, 2020
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thefitzDo you think that people buy underwear... but never wear them? OK
RayF
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May 11, 2020
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thefitz
A) Everyone here knows what the hell Chrono24 is. You thinking we need an introduction to the site, suggests it may be new to you--which is fine, everyone has to start somewhere.
B) Watches sold on Chrono24 are just watches sold on Chrono24--there presence there doesn't indicate anything other than the guys who own them would rather sell them--and that that includes all Citizens for sale there as well as every other watch on the site.
C) The price ranges listed for a given watch don't indicate what people are actually paying for them, and certainly not what they're WORTH--merely what someone is ASKING for them. What they eventually sell for and who is buying them (and for what reason) is another story entirely.
CASE IN POINT:
Suppose you had enough cash to piss away Nine-Hundred and Fifty Thousand Dollars on an ugly fucking Richard Mille skull watch, and at the same time were both ignorant enough, and superficial enough to actually pull the trigger on such an abomination and shameful waste of resources (maybe a kid fresh out of high school who just signed a big NBA contract, for instance?), would that mean you got a good deal or even that you got a nice watch in the exchange?
No, it would not.
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martygeeoz
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May 11, 2020
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TwentySixAndIf I had the money I still wouldn’t buy this. You’re missing the point - doesn’t matter how much it costs or how much of a ‘deal’ it is, it still got whacked with the ugly stick.
RayF
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May 11, 2020
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TwentySixAndJust want to go on record as one of the guys who buys underwear and DOES wear them--you know, incase anyone was curious about that...
thefitz
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May 11, 2020
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ED61Oh I think you absolutely get what you pay for - and there's a lot of people that have all sorts of opinions on watches that won't get or pay for anything, yet chime in. I once new a guy who'd shit all over movies, never having seen them! Just based off reviews, trailers, and other people's summaries!
thefitz
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May 11, 2020
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martygeeozMy point is that this could be the most gorgeous watch in the world at a relative bargain and you'd have a heap of people complaining about something to LARP as if they were ever considering it. It starts a torrent of irritating circle-jerk comments.
thefitz
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May 11, 2020
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RayFAs ugly as some of these watches can get, they are essentially commodified on the grey market, and Chrono24 is a a fantastic benchmark to get a sense of whether or not an asking price is out of line. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc. etc. etc.
The guidance of circle-jerk LARPers doesn't hold much water, and that "guidance" shows up in almost every watch drop there is. No matter how ugly a watch is, sour grapes advice is both irritating and disingenuous. Even if this thing doesn't sell a single unit, there would be people in the chats that would have never purchased it if it was the most beautiful thing in the world. People will have a torrent of complaints for any $1900 watch. Drop could list an Omega Seamaster 300 on here for $1900 and people would say "ehh I'll stick with my Seiko5, I hate that release valve".
As tacky as the rainbow Daytona is, you're laughing if you were lucky enough to acquire one at list-price. You'd probably have to have purchased a stack of glittery 31mm Date Justs to earn the pleasure. Yet, you'd be able to sell that Daytona for a price that would have paid for those glittery Date Justs. Taste and value are a funny/relative thing.
And is Mille really the example of nouveau-riche bad taste you want to use? As perplexing as the designs are, there's still some horological engineering going on there. These Jacob & Co units going for seven+ figures yet won't withstand the graze of a door frame...
RayF
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May 11, 2020
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thefitzWhat this site has always lacked, and what you seem so desperate to add, is that irrelevant air of cost-denotes-value-denotes-desirability that seems to have permeated so many of the (for lack of a better word) traditional watch discussion sites; places where watches truly are just the commodities you suggest--all priced and traded like barrels of oil, or bushels of wheat. I can assure you, if we gave a shit about that mentality we'd be there, not here. On this site, you're more likely to meet folks who own both Seamasters and Seiko Fives, and bought each for the same reason--they like them.
My guess is you're probably better at the games (and group activities) you keep bring up than you are judging the character of others--and by the way, are no more in need of a Helium release valve than 99% of anyone else on the planet--but I bet you never miss the opportunity to point yours out to anyone and everyone you meet, do you?
thefitz
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May 11, 2020
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RayF100% - the circle jerking on those other sites is a different type indeed. They do have skin in the game, however.
I am sure there are plenty that own both Seiko 5s and Seamasters - I'd have proudly worn that Zinvo disc thing if the damn disc spun like it did in the ads - but I doubt those folk are the ones constantly piling on with the oneupsmanship. It's the looky-loos that tend to find fault in the most trivial things, enough to disqualify a purchase... only after a certain price point, of course.
I am not a fan of the helium release valve. But if I could get that new Seamaster 300M for $1900 on Drop, I'd be willing to overlook it - that's the deal of a lifetime. If I couldn't scrape that together, I wouldn't join the pile on over the practicality of a helium release valve.
If you wanna one-up me and say "Pah! Here's a $1900 Seamaster 300M, dummy!!", please do!
RayF
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May 11, 2020
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thefitz
Not sure what you mean by "piling on" or "one ups-menship"--most of us here are friends and have been discussing and commenting on MD's watch drops, good, bad, and ugly for quite some time. I for one want to hear what other members have to say about a given watch, particularly on those rare occasions when I'm seriously considering it's purchase, but generally just because I like hearing from them.
Collectively, guys like @ED61 @MarPabl @JAone @TwentySixAnd @Truelove1 @Hewitt29 @Bobraz @smfd14 and even freak'n @Cartmen (to some extent ;- ) and a dozen others I'm forgetting at the moment--all voice opinions, offer advice and most importantly, teach me shit everyday, that I find pretty damn valuable.
I can assure you we don't all like the same watches, have the same budgets, or even have the same damn wrist sizes, but the one thing we do have in common is an above average interest in watches, and I think, in each other. As I mentioned before, we tend to keep coming back here everyday, primarily because of that friendship and interest in one another's opinions--'cuz Lordy, Lordy, it 'sho 'nuff ain't to buy ugly-ass, eighteen-hundred dollar watches! Well, maybe @MarPabl once or twice--but he's his own man when it comes to unusual looking watches, and we say he can buy whatever damn watch he wants around here, and we're STILL gonna like him ;- )
Now it's true, we do give MD a rash of shit each time they try to pawn off something as beastly an insulting to our sensitive tastes (and spending money) as this one, but in the end we're just a bunch of guys expressing opinions, offering advise and asking/answering questions--which is precisely the purpose and function of this little comment area.
And while we're on that subject--what exactly was the purpose and function of your original statement?
You know, where you said:
"Chrono24 is a worldwide watch resale site for you discount Seiko/Orient types who run their mouths about watches over $150."
MarPabl
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May 11, 2020
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RayFWell I'm not convinced with this ⌚ not my 🍵
However, from a price point 👁️ I'm not sure either 🤔 there's no clear ℹ️ about the movement, except this uses a Dubois Dèpraz module. This clearly isn't an in 🏡 caliber.
Researching similar ⌚ I came 🆙 with 2️⃣
- https://www.louiserard.com/creations/excellence/excellence-regulator-limited-edition-by-eric-giroud-2/
- https://www.luxury-insider.com/luxury-news/2013/05/a-league-of-its-own-revue-thommen-specialties
Both regulators with the Dubois Dèpraz module (likely the same) and a base Sellita caliber. The MSRP for those is lower, I guess. And I like those better.
So I would not get this one. There's nothing unique to warrant the price . and the looks are not my taste, even if I don't really find the ⌚ awful.
I also found the "Chrono24 is a worldwide watch resale site for you discount Seiko/Orient types who run their mouths about watches over $150." intriguing... I'm sure many guys here have got ⌚ in a wide price . levels and that's great. You can get here ⌚ ranging from awful to extraordinary. If you add to that an unbelievable price then we've got a deal here ✅
You may want to first check the profile of the users 🏃🏻♂️ their 👄 maybe they're not poor guys at all 🤷🏻♂️
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Hewitt29
May 11, 2020
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ED61are we talking about the famous Invicta Pro Diver or another one ?
MarPabl
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May 12, 2020
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ED61Yes you need to get bigger hour markers and fatter 👐🏻 because the ones in the Pro Diver are tiny and therefore the lume sucks.
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Truelove1
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May 12, 2020
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RayFYou nailed it @RayF !! As you know, the main reason we all come here is to check in on our watch brothers. Occasionally we may pick up a watch but the main reason is to offer up advice and show the other members our recently acquired timepieces and to give a little info about the item. Some people take our opinions to serious and get way to personal. I say to them... Remember we are all here for the same reasons, we stopped by to see the watches and other items drop has to offer. Some may be deals, some not so much. I might not like the way one of the offerings looks and you may love it... Opinions are given... It's what we do... It's who we are...I for one enjoy it! Keep on keeping on! Oh and that damn watch is still ugly as shit!..🤭
thefitz
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May 12, 2020
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RayFHah, that's great. You say "I'm not sure what you mean by 'piling on'" and proceed to tag a stack of users. The conversation seems to have evolved, but I will answer your question as to what the purpose and function of my original statement was.
I actually already explained the gist of it when I said "The guidance of circle-jerk LARPers doesn't hold much water, and that "guidance" shows up in almost every watch drop there is. No matter how ugly a watch is, sour grapes advice is both irritating and disingenuous. Even if this thing doesn't sell a single unit, there would be people in the chats that would have never purchased it if it was the most beautiful thing in the world. People will have a torrent of complaints for any $1900 watch. Drop could list an Omega Seamaster 300 on here for $1900 and people would say "ehh I'll stick with my Seiko5, I hate that release valve"."
It's really irritating to open up a comments section and see a flood of complaints that are likely to include those who are keeping up the guise of speaking objectively but would never pull the trigger on anything past three figures. It's sour-grapes advice. "She's ugly - so what if she'd never go out with me!"
There's a great Urban Gentry video about a $500 "alternative" to a Patek Philippe Calatrava. An alternative! Like it's just a choice! Like you're in the same league! Those cats. And if you see nothing wrong with a $500 watch being hocked as a legitimate alternative to a $20,000 watch, then we're miles apart.
But yeah, now go ahead, pretend I'm talking about everyone that owns a $500 watch (including me!). Please. Tag them while you're at it.
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