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Perish
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Mar 5, 2018
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Not really hating. Like the design. But until you can get this molded pile of Pepsi cans to $99 or below I just can't get there. To even insinuate this should ever cost $220 is crazy to me. Honestly anyone who is buying this for $159 is getting taken. If your costs are this high that you need to charge this you are screwing up, bottom line, no excuses.
Mar 5, 2018
maximize
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Mar 7, 2018
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Well, that was totally unwarranted.
Mar 7, 2018
Shazb0t
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Mar 8, 2018
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I do agree that the cost seems high for what the material cost and R&D would be for something like this.
Mar 8, 2018
Chann3l
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Mar 8, 2018
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Aluminum cases are expensive. 160 for a tkl doesn't seem too terrible considering the 60 percent version sells for just under 100 from KBDfans. I highly doubt the regular retail price for this is 220 though.
Mar 8, 2018
Chann3l
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Mar 8, 2018
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Not seeing the value in something doesn't make one "poor" and even if he was poor, your comment is pretty immature and in poor taste (pun intended).
Mar 8, 2018
Perish
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Mar 8, 2018
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I get where you are coming from but I'm telling you, I don't like it. Just look at all the the aluminum PC cases under $99 and I don't think some of these guys are selling a ton of them. And they also have a bunch of extra costs like more molds, larger product, assembly, etc. And $159 is the Massdrop price for a keyboard case? They rely on complacency in the market. I get this is a smaller niche but I look at this thing and I get a feeling the price isn't right. Something isn't adding up when you compare and contrast with other products.
Mar 8, 2018
yanfali
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Mar 8, 2018
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This is definitely a premium case. Take a look around, here are the other competing cases
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=281 https://shopkey.doyustudio.com/001kba8fc-s https://www.amazon.com/Anodized-Tenkeyless-Mechanical-Including-Detachable/dp/B06XNV37FV/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1520529877&sr=8-1&keywords=aluminum+keyboard+case+tenkeyless
They're all in the ball park and have less CNC work on them. Value is very subjective, and that is completely warranted as a concern. Is this case expensive, yes, but it's inline with the current market.
Mar 8, 2018
Perish
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Mar 8, 2018
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Thanks for the links. It is what it is, but I gotta say I feel those other products prices don't really seem to defend this one well. The point of buying in bulk is that it should dramatically drop the costs as basically a huge part of the risk of taking on these cases as inventory (that never moves) is gone. Those look very similar to me and are pretty significantly less expensive. Now consider that price is per unit and not wholesale/bulk and honestly I think you just end up proving my point. I appreciate the feedback, and maybe I'm crazy but now I'm even less convinced this is a good price. And to slash out $220 just seems disingenuous to me.
Mar 8, 2018
yanfali
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Mar 8, 2018
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To be fair, none of this is bulk. Bulk is 10K+ orders. This GB is limited to 45 units.
Making CNC cases in low numbers is an expensive business. I encourage you to get a quote for yourself from a local shop to find out how much things cost. You literally have to make 10s of thousands of things to achieve any benefits of scale.
The quality of those cases varies. I would say Doyu > Tex > YMDK. It usually varies in the machining, hardness of the aluminum and the quality of the anodization. The highest quality stuff costs a lot, take a look at Ryan Norbauer's cases. Those are really high end, and have the costs associated with that.
Mar 8, 2018
Perish
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Mar 8, 2018
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I'll keep it in mind, thanks again.
Mar 8, 2018
InMyFavor
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Mar 8, 2018
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I agree but I'll say this. At first glance it looks like a cooler than average aluminum case but in person this thing is THICC. I mean seriously, the construction and sheer weight of this thing is staggering. Super solid.
Mar 8, 2018
Perish
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Mar 9, 2018
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Really dumb question on my part I am sure but, curious, is that a good thing? I just mean, its a keyboard. Seems like the threshold for diminishing returns on its thickness/weightiness would be pretty short. Like, very short. Because its a keyboard.
Mar 9, 2018
InMyFavor
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Mar 9, 2018
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Yeah, it's more of a personal taste thing. If you use a keyboard for your day to day activities, this might be more appealing than not. In general, I'd say that most people in the keyboard world really like the sturdiness of builds though.
Mar 9, 2018
Perish
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Mar 9, 2018
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Sure, alright, I get sturdy no doubt. Quality for sure. I mean I don't want it to fall apart...
Mar 9, 2018
yanfali
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Mar 9, 2018
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Only you can really answer that. It's very subjective. People like what they like, watches, knives, sneakers. Keyboards at the very least can be utilitarian and aesthetically pleasing.
Mar 9, 2018
RichardSmith
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Mar 10, 2018
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Milled, not 'molded', i think you meant 'cast'. Careful with that attitude, assuming you know everything already leaves no room to continue to learn, which limits your potential in life.
The reason aluminum computer cases are cheap is because they are stamped aluminum. That is fast and cheap. You can also make keyboards by stamping aluminum, but it will simply be a facade, but with a plastic body. This is a full aluminum keyboard body far too thick to be stamped.
In no way is this a 'cost efficient' way to make a keyboard, but it results in a solid brick of a keyboard, a quality feel you cannot find in cheap mass produced keyboards built down to a price. Whether it is worth it to you or not is up to you, but that isn't a fault on the product if it isn't, apparently, it is worth it to some people.
Mar 10, 2018
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