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megalonzerg
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Jul 10, 2018
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Multi-modes typically make a flashlight like this useless, unless there is a separate switch or switching process for the modes, vs. the on/off switching. What is essential for a useful flashlight is that when you turn it off, it comes back on to the same mode you were using last time it was on, and you don't have to click through multiple modes to get to the one you want. For some reason, the description of this item does not include any information about this topic, so there is no way to know one way or the other if this device has any value at all.
Jul 10, 2018
Huzzah
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Jul 10, 2018
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So because the manual is not linked in the description you are discouraging anyone from buying this product? I’m sure a simple google search will explain how the mode switching feature functions. Do your homework.
Jul 10, 2018
namhod
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Jul 10, 2018
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Googling the UI will tell you everything you need to know.
Jul 10, 2018
ed2018
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Jul 10, 2018
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So, rather than one person (the seller) including this vital information in the description, you’d rather have everyone who may be interested in buying this item have to do their own search for the info? Does that make sense to you? One person doing their job vs. dozens having to do it for them? Why do you not think it’s incumbent upon the seller to be specific about what they’re selling?
Jul 10, 2018
toddcshoe
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Jul 10, 2018
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The UI is pretty much the same as the OD series and SD series lights. Click for on, click through modes, double click for turbo, another click takes you back to the same mode before turbo, long press for off. Light comes back on in the same mode you turned it off in. It is not essential that a light come on in the same mode you turned it off in. It's just your personal preference. Though it may not have any value to you, Lumintop is lucky you aren't the only one that likes to buy flashlights. Some people like single switch lights, some don't. Most, I would say 90% of lights now days have only one switch, be it on the tail or on the body of the light. Not too many lights with dual switches. There are still some to choose from but that doesn't make the others useless. Only useless to you. Multi-Mode lights are also not useless. Not every situation calls for just one mode either on or off. There also aren't many of those type lights sold these days either. So I would say either you don't really need or use lights with different modes or you really have no idea what you are talking about. A blanket statement saying a light is useless to anyone unless it meets your demands is just an outright dick statement.
Jul 10, 2018
megalonzerg
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Jul 10, 2018
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Any advertising web page for any product should have all the information that might be needed by a potential buyer to make the decision whether to buy that product or not. If more information is available in a link, it can just as easily be available without having to chase any links. There are no size restrictions or cost factors to consider, so there is no reason not to include all relevant data. I suppose I should state that this is my opinion based on my experience as a professional marketer for over forty years, in order to not offend anyone who may not have figured out that any judgement anyone ever makes about anything is his own opinion exclusively.
While I never said in my earlier comments that I was speaking for all of humanity, the fact that most LED flashlights currently made have only one switch does not make that the correct choice or even the best choice - it is quite obviously a compromise based on economics. I don't believe it is anyone's first choice to click through all possibilities in order to arrive at the desired one. It is just something we put up with to save money, or because nobody is giving us another choice. Remember when cell phones made us press the same key repeatedly to get the letter we were trying to type when messaging? Only the worst quality phones are made like that anymore because almost nobody liked it. If my keyboard had only once key on it for typing and I had to cycle through all the letters, numbers, and symbols for each character I wanted to type, I hope nobody would feel the need to insult me for thinking that was a bad idea.
Many of the better-quality flashlight makers are now correcting this linear mode cycling problem in the flashlight world by introducing products with a switch for on/off, and a secondary switch for modes. Another option that is being used is to make one switch do both depending on how long it is pressed. Quick press is on/off, hold longer for mode change. Very simple. Very elegant. Very inexpensive. Neither of these options has to add more than a few cents to the final cost of manufacturing a new product. They just require a little more thought up front.
My friend here at work who sells tactical flashlights on the side has noticed that these are the type that everyone wants now, as they are tired of doing the every-mode-every-time thing, which is especially embarrassing in public when bystanders are wondering why you are strobing them while you are trying to find something in your wallet or purse that is also changing from red to green to white . . . for no good reason.
So, the current marketing trend for new products being introduced in this category is to make it so the user doesn't have to click through modes. I was hoping, since this is a high quality, new product, that it was following this trend. My current brightest flashlight has four modes, with off being number four. Since I only use that one to look across my property when I hear disturbances in the night, I do not appreciate starting with dim, then strobe, then bright every time I turn it on. I was looking at this as a possible replacement for that one that is super bright, but makes me mad every time I use it. I own dozens of flashlights for all different purposes. I will never buy one again that requires me to pick what I don't want four or five times before I am allowed to pick what I do want - especially now that I don't have to anymore. No more flip phone flashlights for me, thank you.
Jul 10, 2018
twoonethreeninja
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Jul 10, 2018
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that's like, your opinion man...
Jul 10, 2018
namhod
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Jul 10, 2018
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I enjoy my Lumintop lights.
I also enjoy that people are more willing to bitch on a forum then Google their question, which would take less time and effort.
A little research prior can save you from buying a product you don't like.
Jul 10, 2018
toddcshoe
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Jul 11, 2018
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In any flashlight you buy you are going to have to live with a way to turn it on and a way to change through the modes. Whether that is done by one button or two the same two process's will occur. Turn light on or off, go through modes. Now our jobs as consumers is to find the one that fits us best. Myself, I don't buy lights that have any strobe or blinky modes in the mode selection. I buy lights where those functions are hidden. That just me, but I won't jump on a forum and tell everyone else the light they may like is useless. I also don't buy lights where I have to go through all the modes to get to off. A push of a button should be able to shut the light off at any time. Again, that's just me. Still doesn't make the light useless for anyone else. Some people like the light to come back on in the mode it was shut off in (mode memory) or come on in the lowest mode available. I like both and use them for different situations. The light next to my bed always starts in the lowest mode. If I need it in the middle of the night I don't want to be blinded by bright light if I didn't forget to put it on the lowest mode before I shut it off. The light I keep next to the back door does have mode memory and is always on high when I need it to look out the door. Lights I carry on me usually always start in low as not to startle anyone if I need to use it. I can get to my mode without causing too much alarm. Again, I don't buy lights with Strobe or blinky modes in the main brightness settings.
So knock yourself out, use and buy what you want. It's your money and your decision. But calling products useless or don't have any value at all is not only a plain lie but it makes you sound kind of elitist buy pushing only what you like on others. We already have enough politicians and protest groups that try that everyday for much more important issues. Buy lights you like and enjoy using them and so will everyone else.
Good evening to you my friend.
Jul 11, 2018
megalonzerg
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Jul 11, 2018
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yeah, that's like, exactly what I said man . . .
Jul 11, 2018
megalonzerg
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Jul 11, 2018
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I had no idea that this forum was for telling people what to think. Every other forum I have participated in was for expressing opinions. The purpose of product forums is to help manufacturers improve their products, and retailers to improve their selections. All my comments, as I have clearly stated multiple times, are merely my opinions, which is exactly what is supposed to be happening here, not attacking and insulting people we don't agree with and calling their opinions "dick statements" and "lies".
As I said before, I am not trying to speak for anyone but myself, and yet people who have access to what I wrote repeatedly accuse me of trying to tell others what to think or "push my opinions" on them. I am even accused of lying, which by definition means I am saying things I believe to be false. Why would you accuse me of that? All because I expressed an opinion that is different from yours. While accusing me of all manner of iniquity, you are actually the only one here calling people names and trying to tell others what sort of thinking and writing is acceptable.
I never tried to tell anyone else what opinion to have. I got on here to be helpful, like I want our customers do on our web site where we ask for their opinions about what we make and what we sell. I didn't attack anyone, or insult anyone, or accuse anyone of any sin or crime. I only told the manufacturer what I think is important in the type of product they are selling, so they might think about it when they are designing their next iteration. In the manufacturing world, the most important thing we do is try by any means possible to find out what our potential customers are thinking so we can adapt our products and offerings to what they actually want, and hopefully make more people happy with every change we make.
Yes, there are more important issues in the world, but this forum is not the place for them. However, this forum does represent a microcosm for why we have many of those more serious political and social problems - the growing intolerance for differing thoughts and ideas that is becoming more common in our society every day, especially the intolerance against those who believe in something strong enough to say it out loud. If we can't overcome this on a simple product forum, what hope do we have of overcoming it in society at large?
Jul 11, 2018
namhod
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Jul 12, 2018
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You are unnecessarily verbose. Congratulations.
The flashlights UI is solid, it is a good light. You decided to comment negatively about said light, from the start, without doing a little research.
Jul 12, 2018
megalonzerg
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Jul 12, 2018
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Oops! You are wrong on two counts: 1. I didn't include a single word that was not necessary since nobody is forcing anyone to read more than they freely choose to. 2. I never made a single comment about this, or any other specific flashlight. I only expressed my preference on flashlight switching mechanisms in general. But thank you for participating.
Jul 12, 2018
namhod
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Jul 12, 2018
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1. Thank you for giving us the cliff notes of what would have otherwise been a novella.
2. "Multi-modes typically make a flashlight like this useless" - You
Jul 12, 2018
megalonzerg
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Jul 12, 2018
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Yes. "typically" and "one LIKE this" - not always, and not necessarily this one, or any other particular one.
Jul 12, 2018
namhod
1983
Jul 12, 2018
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You are "like" Felicia.
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Jul 12, 2018
megalonzerg
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Jul 12, 2018
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Ouch! That's "Felisha", not "Felicia". But don't feel bad - it's a common mistake. The meme you selected even got it wrong.
Jul 12, 2018
namhod
1983
Jul 12, 2018
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Bye gurrrlllll, baaiiiiiii!
Jul 12, 2018
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