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RayF
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Permit me to clarify...
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As even @Glen8 should be able to see, they are not the same animal, are they? No, they are not. Now as a professional watch complainer myself (and one who earns the big bucks doing so), I can sympathize with young Glen up to a point; yes this watch uses a Miyota movement that doesn't hack--what of it? This watch was up on Kickstarter so long it should have shipped with a beard longer than Billy-damn-Gibbons'! The specs were up and clearly visible the whole time--nothing was hidden. Anyone who was offended by the movement, or any other feature of the watch had nearly a year NOT TO BUY IT. Young Glen insists on comparing the Turtle to the Serpent, despite the fact that they are just NOT the same watch. First off, the Turtle was monster-big and crazy thick (huge domed crystal), in other words, not a watch for the timid. The Serpent is much smaller; a mere 42mm vs the Turtle's 44/45mm case that honestly wore like a 48mm. Obviously Makara intended the Serpent to be a watch with broader appeal; it's smaller, lighter and comes in more color ways, and if memory serves, has a lower MSRP than the Turtle initially did. Accordingly, it's not surprising the movement selected would be up to the task, but not one that would add extra cost. And here's the crux of the issue--there's just no point in beating around the bush: A) no one is buying this watch because they can't afford an SKX007 and, B) this watch isn't a real diver any more than you are! This is a novelty watch, plain and simple. You buy it because you like how it looks, not because it's more accurate than a Seiko Spring Drive, or dives deeper than an Omega Ultra Deep Professional. All this watch has to do is sit on your wrist and entertain you--if it fails at that, it's just not a watch for you. You can complain about its looks, but don't complain about it not being what it was never intended to be. As to Glen's beef about the finish--poppycock! I'm wearing mine now (not looking a picture of one) and the finish is fine. The whole thing is brushed so there really isn't much to screw up. As a bonus, they also come nicely packaged in travel case you'll probably never use. Now, to my issue--the price, I don't like it! But I didn't pay it either. I pre-ordered mine months ago (too many months ago) and got it for fifty-bucks less. So, is it worth the $250 I paid for it? Meh--it's okay ;- )
Jun 4, 2020
OKwhatever
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Jun 4, 2020
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These are also $249... Only the bronze are $299.
Jun 4, 2020
RayF
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A $50 up-charge for the Bronze version?! Why are Bronze watches still being treated differently than Steel watches in this day and age? I'll tell you why--It's Watchism, plain and simple! I'm not going to tolerate any more!
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Jun 4, 2020
dpeete
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The other issue with the Miyota movement is that it is indirect drive, so it can have a stuttering second hand: https://calibercorner.com/stuttering-seconds-hand-explained/ Clearly not a terminal issue, as described in the article. But why settle? IMO, the 82xx movement is best left to "small second hand" applications where it isn't noticeable. I'd rather have the Seiko movement at this price point, or be charged extra for a 90xx movement to get direct drive and the higher beat. It is interesting to note that it appears a running change might have been made to add hacking: https://calibercorner.com/miyota-caliber-82s0/


Jun 4, 2020
RayF
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I'm not debating that bit; there are tons better movements out there, but none of them are in this watch. The sole reason for buying this watch is novelty, not practicality, not value, and not for timing your reentry burn from low earth orbit. If you can find me another watch that looks like this one and includes all the features you'd prefer to see in it, I'll be happy to look. Same goes for my present girlfriend!
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Jun 4, 2020
Glen8
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Jun 5, 2020
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Your points are definitely hard to argue with
Jun 5, 2020
Glen8
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I just have to keep reminding myself, 'Don't buy this watch!'
Jun 5, 2020
RayF
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Well I've seen worse (a lot of 'em right here ;- ) As mentioned, I bought this watch a long time ago. Not sure I'd buy it again today--times now ain't like the used to be. Back then I could make a frivolous purchase or two and not have to worry about the results. Today I'm more sober, today I'm more discriminating. I've decided there are more important things to concern myself with than my next only-gonna-where-it-occasionally watch. That may change in the future, but for now, I preceding with caution. Speaking of the future, if I was to fall in love with this watch at some point, I don't imagine it would be too hard to find a handy fellow who could swap out the Miyota movement with something a little more sophisticated. My Gen-1 Monster for instance now beats with an upgraded 4R36 vs the old 7S26. Makes all the difference.
Jun 5, 2020
Glen8
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Yeah those swaps are pretty easy as the hands all fit onto the same size shafts, might be somewhat different trying to fit a Seiko where a Miyota was, maybe the new gen Miyota that hacks, but you still would get that perpetual spin thing...
Jun 5, 2020
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