Maserin D2 Sport Liner Lock Knife Discussions | Drop

May 14, 2020

TheoeichornTo be honest, this particular form factor has been done by untold makers now, both factory, customs and anything in between, for years, if not decades... I'm not so sure anyone in Maniago Italy, looked at those overly decorated (hence ugly to my eyes, but YMMV) William Henry knives and said "Hey I have an idea! Let's rip off that design"! Knife makers in Maniago have been making knives since William Henry was a gleam in his father's eyes, they do not need to rip off anyone. In fact, Maniago based makers, Lionsteel for example, get their more innovative designs ripped off by many other makers in America and Asia. Anyway in the knife industry designs often are not patented, that is why there is a lot of reinterpretations of the same general designs floating around... That's the way it is...

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May 14, 2020

May 15, 2020

TheoeichornReminds me of a Browning folder I lusted after years ago browsing a Cabela's master catalog. As Bobraz said, this is an old style done by many; who knows who copied or was inspired by whom. Years ago I drew a fixed blade profile with this general form, probably inspired mostly by that Browning.

May 15, 2020

Theoeichorn

May 15, 2020

BobrazThere is nothing new under the sun.

May 15, 2020

May 15, 2020

TheoeichornWell, I don't totally share that view; there are some newer, but often outlandish designs (e.g. CRKT Deviation Tanto Blade, the Drop exclusive). Perhaps just a limited amount of buyers are attracted to those modern styles? I don't have any of those weird style knives myself so I can't speak for their popularity. So many of those designs definitely are new under the sun. There are also 'modern reinterpretation' of older designs that are made, in much less outlandish ways. Say, the Benchmade Proper is an example, which is a reinterpretation of the traditional slipjoint. Those reinterpretation are maybe more popular. So there are mountains of non-original designs, but also many choices to be made in new under the sun designs.

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May 15, 2020

Theoeichorn

May 15, 2020

BobrazNOTHING! 😂

May 15, 2020

May 15, 2020

BobrazAmericans, and I expect everyone else as well, see these resemblances selectively. At least, we call them out in a highly selective fashion. We’re much more likely as a rule to speak of being irked by the similarity between a foreign product and an American one than we are of the similarity between two American or foreign products. When it is a Coke vs Pepsi, Bud vs Miller, Chevy vs Ford, Mossberg vs Remington situation where one innovates and if it succeeds the other copies it within six months, we see that as entirely normal - at most we might roll our eyes. No one loses their shit when BK copies a new McDonalds menu item. It’s the same w/ knives. Go over to BF and you’ll find people hyperventilating that a pic of the Rike M3 resembles a pic of a Spyderco Tropen. But you won’t find a peep about the Tropen looking like several different Emersons, and I don’t mean because it has a wave feature. And with knives... we play the game ‘six degrees of separation’ with people but it’d be “two or three degrees of separation” were it about knives. There’s only so many useful variations possible and most ‘new ideas’ have been done before by someone else somewhere else in some shape or form because we’ve been at it for a while. So finding similarities isn’t hard, especially when we only feel the need to do so in some circumstances and not others.

May 15, 2020

May 15, 2020

BobrazI would argue that any knife design anyone can cook up anymore has at least a passing resemblance to something from the past, be it a production blade or some obscure custom. Until it can no longer cut things or be gripped in hand, some variation has been done. On the other side of the argument, every design that's not an exact copy of another is totally original ;)

May 15, 2020

May 15, 2020

LeoangerTotally agree, well put.

May 15, 2020

May 15, 2020

reswrightYes, well said! Man, your BK and McDonald's comparison made my stomach growl. Haven't had one of these since this Covid-19 crap started. I want a junk food 🍔 so bad!

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May 15, 2020

May 15, 2020

Bobrazhttps://doghaus.com/hausburgers.html The Holy Aioli is off the HOOK. Funny what all comes out of a pandemic. I probably never would have tried any of the Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwiches and stuff like that were it not for shopping thru Instacart and having the things I normally buy, be unavailable. Now I can't get enough of the little bastards, especially the breakfast burritos. They're like crack. Just the right amount of cheese. I don't crave a burger, or really any fast food that I can think of at the moment... but I'd pay real money for a couple rolls of Viva paper towels, or a bottle of medical grade 99% isopropanol, or a box of decent exam gloves.

May 15, 2020

May 15, 2020

reswrightYour area has a shortage of paper towels, and the stuff you mentioned?

May 15, 2020

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May 15, 2020

LeoangerI agree with this, particularly since you limit it to knife designs. I think there's innovation in materials all the time and that sometimes a material becomes viable to use that in turn makes certain designs possible that were never practical before. I think there's also innovations in technology -- look at all the crazy designs that CNC milling and laser engravature makes practical in a production environment. It's tough to say that a master craftsman couldn't replicate them given enough time, but you can't scale master craftsmen to the level necessary to maintain full production... and the machine pops out the handles in less time than it takes to get a cup of coffee. There's even innovation in the law that allows new designs to be brought to market. But designs? There's only so many variations you can come up with involving a handle and a blade before you start reinventing the wheel, and there's more knives in the world than anyone can count let alone keep track of all their design elements anyway. I don't ever wanna say it's impossible for someone to do something that's truly new, but it's plain that it is a rarity, after humans have spent millennia monkeying around with sharp metal and coming up with all our monkey ideas about what's possible.

May 15, 2020

May 15, 2020

BobrazRegular paper towels can be had, but Vivas can't. The meaningful difference is they have a super thick, almost felt-like feel to them, almost like a hybrid between a paper towel and a 'shop towel'. I like them for messing around with projects. The alcohol -- yeah, no one has it that I can find. People don't even have, like witch hazel on their store shelves. There's some on Amazon but not the good, fast evaporating stuff for dyeing knives. If you try to order it thru Instacart they forward you to an offer for 'antiseptic' where the shopper will pick the best thing available, but they never have rubbing alcohol, it's always things like non-alcohol mouthwash that are available. Can't even find Everclear. My understanding is that the overwhelming demand for hand sanitizer means that all the IPA and a huge chunk of the food grade ethanol produced in America and/or shipped here is being diverted to produce sanitizer, and I understand that and am ok with it even though it's a PITA. My hobby isn't as important as keeping frontline healthcare workers safe, or people who are the frontline providers for their families and who have to go put themselves at risk. But I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't pay cash on the barrelhead for a couple bottles of medical grade 99% IPA and a box of nitrile gloves that are medical grade and won't leak. :)

May 15, 2020

May 16, 2020

reswrightViva paper towels are awesome. I discovered them at my favorite discount grocery store months ago and still have a couple rolls. I like them better than the blue shop towels for work, and as napkins they are, as my nephew says, 'gourmet'.

May 16, 2020