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JakobH
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Feb 6, 2017
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@MikeMD Can you please change it from L-M-H to M-H-L or make another version like this possible?
Feb 6, 2017
richfiles
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Feb 7, 2017
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JakobHYeah, I just bought a pair. One for me and another as a gift to my mother. I just really hate the L-M-H sequence. I REALLY wish M-L-H was an option. Oh well. At $25, this is STILL a steal.
Feb 7, 2017
AnonymousMod
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Feb 8, 2017
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JakobHI refuse, starting on Low is the best. I'm tired of going blind in the dark.
Feb 8, 2017
Pandemos
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Feb 8, 2017
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JakobHIt is MLH. I dislike MLH and would prefer LMH for everyday (doesn't bother people in theaters if you drop something, or in the middle of the night, won't wake the wife) OR HML, because then it is great for taking out while walking to your car at night. You want it as bright as possible for security reasons.
MLH is the worst config, in my experience. But if you want it, this is it. Otherwise, a very nice flashlight for the buck.
Feb 8, 2017
MassD
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Feb 8, 2017
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AnonymousModYou'll still go blind with this light because it's not a true firefly/moonlight mode.
Point the light away from your eyes when you turn it on.
Feb 8, 2017
MassD
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Feb 8, 2017
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PandemosLMH, MLH, and HML are useful in different situations. That's why people have multiple flashlights.
And this flashlight will be LMH, not MLH.
Feb 8, 2017
Colemanzeb
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Feb 8, 2017
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richfilesProbably the two best selling points are made of brass and L/M/H. Outstanding quality light.
Feb 8, 2017
AnonymousMod
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Feb 8, 2017
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MassDI have a convoy S2. With a fresh 18650 if I turn it on in the middle of the night on high in my house I'm blind. White walls are a bitch if your eyes are in full night mode.
Feb 8, 2017
Pandemos
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Feb 8, 2017
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MassDWhy do you think it will be LMH? I was sent an early sample for review and they never followed up to let me know I could review it. So I'm guessing I can now. It is most definitely MLH, the one I got.
I'll be writing a full review soon, with all the pros and cons. There are some great features and some bothersome minor issues, but I'll note them before the sold date.
Feb 8, 2017
Pandemos
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Feb 8, 2017
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AnonymousModTurn it on against your chest. Otherwise LMH, like the Beta-QR from Prometheus Lights sounds good for you. MLH is the absolute worst. I hate it and it ruins this product. I seriously cannot say how annoying that progression has been for me.
Feb 8, 2017
MassD
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Feb 8, 2017
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PandemosBecause Massdrop drank the koo-aid of the LMH camp and the manufacturer complied with the request to change it, much to the disappointment of people who prefer MLH on *this particular* light.
Feb 8, 2017
MassD
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Feb 8, 2017
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PandemosMLH is not a "progression" for this series of light. The original Tool AAA and its subsequent Cu and Ti versions have always been MLH, which also extends back to the Worm series.
Feb 8, 2017
MassD
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Feb 8, 2017
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PandemosThe L on this light is 3 lumens. It will still bother people in a dark theatre.
If you want a LMH light to use in the scenario you describe, the L needs to be one lumen or less. You are picking the wrong light to use in the situation.
My EDC is the Astrolux A01, with a L of 0.14 lumen. It is LMH, which makes total, absolute sense.
Feb 8, 2017
richfiles
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Feb 8, 2017
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PandemosHmm... When these ship, you wanna swap tail switches? I send you the manufactured L-M-H tail, and you send me your sample unit M-L-H tail switch? Hey, it's worth asking! :P
Unless you had to return the sample...
Feb 8, 2017
Pandemos
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Feb 9, 2017
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MassDJust wondering, but what situation is a MLH a good one with the L being 3? Last I checked, a lumen is a candle light power. 3 lumens isn't going to light up a theatre, but the M sure as hell will. You don't point it at people's faces--at least I don't--so I don't think that's overly bright. The flashlights ushers use at premiers are brighter than 3 lumens. And carrying around 3 flashlights is not good option, either.
For point of reference, I've literally used the Beta QR at an opera house--which is LMH and 1 lumen for L. It was perfect and could have even been a bit brighter and not bothered anyone. Again, pointed it down, not into people's eyes. Couldn't give it enough praise.
Sounds like you're pretty hardcore into flashlights, though, so I would like your opinion on why MLH would be a good sequence. I just use them to light things up and am not an aficionado. Specifically when I guest somm at a restaurant, I need the first setting to be 1-3 lumens for decanting. Less is useless and won't shine through, more is too bright. So different uses, I'm sure.
Feb 9, 2017
Pandemos
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Feb 9, 2017
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richfilesThey haven't asked for it back. I'd definitely be good for a trade. For my purposes, I don't have use for MLH. I think LMH would be perfect for me, unless the new models don't tailstand. But I'm sure they will.
Feb 9, 2017
richfiles
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Feb 9, 2017
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PandemosThat sounds cool. That way, we'll both be able to get something we prefer. Thanks! Now I just have to actually remember this in a few months! :)
Feb 9, 2017
Cyphre
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Feb 11, 2017
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PandemosI find MLH ideal because I use it in an industrial setting, rather than a bathroom or theatre light. Instead of breaking out the phone and swiping at the screen, this light is better suited to already be on at least a medium setting to start when inspecting components inside a machine that isn't well-lit.
Having it start on High wouldn't be ideal either, since those modes always burn the battery a lot faster at an output that isn't inherently more useful than Medium. Low isn't useful in the slightest either because it doesn't output enough in contrast to external lights (flourescent tubes).
Feb 11, 2017
Pandemos
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Feb 11, 2017
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CyphreSo, wouldn't MHL be the best for you? Skip that mode that is useless to you? I ask because I honestly can't figure out where MLH is even close to logical for anyone and haven't gotten a clear answer on it. MHL made sense to me, but MLH I can't wrap my head around.
Feb 11, 2017
Cyphre
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Feb 11, 2017
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PandemosStarting at Medium is the only real priority (in a 3-step switch). Can't say I've come across any in MHL before.
Feb 11, 2017
MassD
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Feb 12, 2017
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PandemosMLH is great for my work. M is the most used mode, so I'm glad the Tool always comes on at M. 90% of the time it is the correct brightness. However, 9% of the time, M is too bright, so one click later, it's in L, the perfect brightness this time. Rarely do I ever need to use H, so I'm glad it's the last mode. Hence MLH is the perfect light for my work.
I sense that you're disturbed by the 'out of order' sequencing of MLH, but if you see it as M-L-HML-HML-HML... it's basically a highest to lowest sequence light that happens to start the entire sequencing from M, not H.
Weird, annoying, whatever. But seeing how much I, and some other posters, love this sequence, you can see there is a reason this setup exists.
This is not the be all and end all sequencing for flashlights. It's not even what I would use in other areas of my life, but it has its place.
Like I mentioned elsewhere, different situations call for different sequence lights.
Feb 12, 2017
Pandemos
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Feb 12, 2017
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CyphreSounds like you might need just an "M". If you don't use the other two, maybe not having a sequential is the best option for your particular case.
Feb 12, 2017
Cyphre
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Feb 12, 2017
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PandemosSadly, I've yet to see many manufacturers making lights of these various form factors in anything other than multi-mode applications. Having other lighting modes isn't necessarily bad, but starting on Medium is at least useful to me in the grand scheme of things.
Feb 12, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Feb 14, 2017
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MassD"Point the light away from your eyes when you turn it on. "
Strange, to live in a world where people have to be told to point flashlights away from their eyes. If there's a way to mutate into a humanoid that can examine certain of its eyes with a flashlight while peering at them with its other eyes, then I want in!
Feb 14, 2017
richfiles
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Apr 11, 2017
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PandemosStill interested in swapping tails? I'd definitely be up for a M-L-H tail, if you still want my L-M-H tail.
Apr 11, 2017
Pandemos
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Apr 11, 2017
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richfilesYeah, there aren't PMs on MD, though. Hard to trade private data.
Apr 11, 2017
richfiles
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Apr 11, 2017
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PandemosI did some experiments... The mode is definitely NOT programmed into the tail... I swapped the black anodized aluminum tail from my black Lumintop Tool and the brass tail from this one, and the mode order did not change! It would appear that that the mode order programming is in the LED driver circuit in the LED portion of the light, and that the tail is only providing a signal to switch modes, but not what mode to select. The capacitor/rechargeable battery in the tail is probably keeping a quiescent trickle of power flowing across the switch to provide power to maintain the driver's memory of what mode it's in.
Interesting...
It would mean that the LED module would be what requires swapping, instead of the tail.
As for contact... Good question. My last trade happened in relation to a key cap set over on the Mechanical Keyboards section. both of us had geek hack accounts, so we PMed there. I'd forgotten that detail. Oh well. If you have ideas, let me know. Still wish they'd have offered a choice in the purchase options for M-L-H and L-M-H, especially if it's only just programming.
Apr 11, 2017
nuke
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Jan 23, 2020
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MassDI wish this light was programmable so we could activate an extra-low "firefly" mode, and choose whether the light turns on from dimmest-to-brightest or brightest-to-dimmest or any custom sequence so people can make their own flashlight start in their personal most-used mode, then second-most-used mode, and so on. I own an L3 Illumination L10 Nichia 219, and love that I was able to purchase it with 4 modes of output which turn on in order of XL-L-M-H, which are 0.09, 3, 30, and 120 lumens. Obviously that's a AA battery flashlight and this Massdrop is for a AAA battery flashlight so completely different category, but I love the firefly mode feature! Streamlight can do programming with TEN-TAP, so Drop should be able to do it too hopefully! It would also be nice to have one product page for the brass-copper-aluminum versions of this flashlight, rather than three different product pages...
Jan 23, 2020
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