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Thanks for the link, I checked it out. Problem for me is the weight. This one is listed at 15 oz, the HG is almost double at 23oz. I'll have to go back and check their weights on the 35*.
I guess that's good if you want duck down. This one is goose and lighter by 4 oz or so. If you want a fair comparison this model would be better: http://www.hammockgear.com/burrow-20/ as you see its a bit more money but about the same weight.
Closest comparison also should probably be made dimensionally to the wide width Burrow to be apples to apples. That puts the fill weight and total weight pretty close and the MD less costly. I don't have the MD quilt but I and my family do have several assorted EE quilts (the manufacturer of the MD ones.) They are very nice. But you've also piqued my interest on the Hammock Gear quilts. I look forward to learning more about them and finding some real-world reviews from their customers.
As others have mentioned... you aren't comparing like products. Not sure if you understand the difference but it's huge.
1 - Quality
2 - Weight
Find another quilt with 800 DWR goose down that this light from as well know and reputable a mfg and I'll bite.
Only reason I haven't joined this drop is that I want a Revelation with 900 fill.
I understand all the listed differences and thank all who replied. For what it's worth; I have both duck and goose down gear and find negligible differences in the two. I am always looking for cost effective gear options & that was my reason for posting.
Fair enough. Just pointing out, since it's important, that this is more than about price. You are getting more for your money here. If cost is the primary concern, and weight/materials is of lesser concern, then certainly a lower price option would be the way to go.
You guys seem to know a lot about these. I've been considering:
It appears it would be a bit heavier, especially with overstuffing to bring it closer to the MD's temp rating. But what else am I missing? Is it garbage, or comparable? I've used Big Agnes top bags for a long time, but this will be my first quilt, mostly for summer use (Sierras).
Unfortunately I'd be guessing as to it's quality as I have no experience with that particular quilt. About the best you can do is compare materials, look at reviews (check backpacking forums for feedback for example). Anything I would say would be a guess.
Sorry wish I had more information to share :/
Wrong spec, SandmanBravo linked to 20 degree, you cited the MD 35 degree spec.
If you spec them similar length/width you get the following:
Length: MD 78 vs HG 79
Width: MD 55.25 vs HG 55
Fill: MD 12.1 vs HG 15.64
Type: MD: 800 FP Downtek vs HG 800FP (Water Repellent)
Total Weight: MD 19.98 vs HG 26.95
Material: MD 15d Nylon Taffeta vs HG 20d Ion (Nylon Taffeta)
Straps: MD Included vs HG $5 per strap
Footbox: MD Semi Sewn vs HG drawstring/snaps
Color: MD Black vs HG Black, Grey , Moroccan Blue, Burnt Orange, Dark Olive (all colors are back)
Price: MD 189.99 vs HG 184.99 (coupon codes sometimes available)
Shipping: MD Free vs HG 12ish
Lead Time: MD End of June vs HG 3-4 Weeks from order currently
Food for thought:
1) EE is highly respected and makes the MD quilt and HG is also highly respected. I can personally attest to their quality ( I own one Econ 40 Deg TQ in Moroccan Blue and one 850FP UQ in Grey/MB). Quality is a draw IMO.
2) Massdrop doesn't cite the down source in the specs and Goose vs Duck difference is negligible for same Fill Power
3) HG weighs more but also includes more down. This yields more density and/or more loft which = more warmth
4) I am 5ft10in and the regular from HG fits me perfectly, dropping another $15 from the price = 169.99 (before codes)
5) Hammock use requires less width, drop to 50 inches and save $20 = 149.99 (before codes) I can still easily use mine with a pad but I'm also not "plus sized"
6) If you are weight conscious and a ground dweller the MD quilt is probably the best choice
7) If you aren't as weight conscious and you aren't over 5ft 10 (and prefer to hang) then you can save some cash for about 2 oz of fabric weight HG in Standard is only 23 oz.
8) You can't lose with either, just pick the one that is right for your situation. Both offer a significant savings over the vast majority of their competitors.
Helpful info EV.
"Weight: MD 19.98 vs HG 26.95 "
This is the difference. HG is 7 oz heavier. It will also compress less due to the thicker material and heavier down.
If weight isn't of issue, nor compression size, then the HQ would be a fine choice. However if you are reducing weight/space then the MD quilt is the way to go.
I should also point out that with the extra cost and weight for straps (on the HG) that further sets the MD quilt apart.
Fill power is the measure of downs ability to trap air using 1 ounce of down. If accurately tested an ounce of 800FP down from one source is the same as any other 800 fp down. There is marginally better retention in goose down vs duck down but the vast majority of users won't notice a difference in longevity.
(Not directed at you Santiago but wanted to separate it from the specs above while still in same convo)
Obviously 800 fill should = 800 fill. What I meant was more fill (ie heaver quilt). My wording was poor ;)
In this forum it is stated that it is goose down, but no where in the description does it say that, nor does it say on the item itself.
Good point. Many quilt/bag vendors that use "Downtek" quote that it is goose down... however looking at the Downtek site it doesn't say which. On the site all I could find is a statement about the treatment of the "birds" which then goes on to mention both duck and goose. So it's quite likely it is a mixture (unless vendors can specify and if they can they should state which is used... explicitly.
In any case that's just one part of this discussion which is less about duck/goose than weight/materials overall.
It strikes me that if it where goose down, the description would be emphasizing the point strongly due to the significant cost differences between the two. But that only factors into the value discussion. It looks like 2 competitors are offering 800 DD quilts of late. The HG quilts are half taper design which weighs a bit more compared to the MD which is a full taper, if you are bigger half taper might be a good thing. Also, the MD quilt measures 38" at the bottom which for my big feet was a bit tight. The 20* regular actually weighs 21.6 oz, not 19.9 oz as stated.
Also, just for some comparative color, EE describes what they are currently using in the quilts they market directly: "Enlightened Equipment uses Grey Duck Down (GDD) for our 850fp down, and Grey Goose Down (GGD) for our 900fp and 950fp downs." Link below. Of course, that doesn't really tell us anything about the down used in the quilts they make to Massdrop's specs.
why do you think there is a "significant cost differences between" goose and duck down?
The first drop or two had options for 750 fill natural down, which was 50/50 goose and duck. This quilt has goose down, but I have never seen a study that shows one is better than the other given the same fill power. I have heard lots of stories and anecdotes, but that could be due to 100 years of advertising that goose down is superior to duck down.
"In any case that's just one part of this discussion which is less about duck/goose than weight/materials overall."
That's the best summary yet. I haven't seen evidence that one down is better than the other, despite some companies telling us otherwise. What is more important, as you point out, is the weight and materials used, which in this case we should be concerned with the fill power, hydrophobic treatment, brand name, and Responsibly Sourced certification.
Danny, I don't disagree with you regarding whether one down or the other is superior. I read the earlier posts about that from last year. I was merely bringing the previous info forward regarding composition since there were questions about it, and providing EE's own current composition comment from their own site. I've been very pleased with all of my family's EE quilts.
Thanks for the link. The 20 degree Massdrop is almost 20 ounces and for a sewn footbox I will happily carry a few more ounces.
As far as duck vs goose-Could not find any wording as to what type of down is in the massdrop.
The last one I received was for 10% off but as it was listed as "thank you" for ordering previously I would be reticent to post it online.