Hello, I just joined, primarily for the audiophile products. Looking at purchasing the NHT C3 speakers for our new living room. Space is about 15 feet wide by 33 long and they will fire long ways. Space is just for general listening, music room with all equipment is downstairs, so hoping they will fill it with sound nicely. Cheers.
Mar 18, 2024
No, it is not the result of any mastering or digital compression. I described the effect quite clearly. It is ELECTRONICALLY accurate, however it was measured. My point was that once it's converted back into acoustic waves, they are NOT experienced the way they're EVER are in real life (I can vouch for that as a sound engineer).
"My point was that once it's converted back into acoustic waves, they are NOT experienced the way they're EVER are in real life (I can vouch for that as a sound engineer)." This statement doesn't make any sense, "They are not experienced the way they're ever are in real life?" What is "they, you've failed to say., You mean the sound reproduction isnt as the original "singer" (in the case of recorded digitally audio i guess? was originally singing before recording to a digital master? (Not cga (computer generated audio(re you forgetting this amp scopes that application as well???))). We'll of course not, that has to do with the storage format, not an audio amplifier ;-) please, your just misleading and confusing people. What matter is how accurate the amp is in handling the digital samples, not whether digital sampling(like "digital music") is "great" or not., Or sorry, whatever else do you mean to say? Reads to me like you have more a problem with the recording and storage formats, and your headphones than you do with this amplifier.., :P You think the amp is having such a corrupting effect on your samples or is so bad on your headphones? if so, like i said, maybe your application is.., not setup correctly.., heh. Like maybe you have a broken 02, or you have headphone which need more power than the O2 offers, something you could have checked before buying, since the O2's power abilities are well advertised for implementation.. like, if your hungry for 6 or 7 apples, maybe dont buy 5 apples and then rte the apples as bad because your still hungry, the power on tap is well advertised, in the evnt you have very power hungry headphones.., it's like rating a gass station as bad for you choosing not to purchase enough gass to make it to the next station,.., no the gass is good here.,, thats an operator error.., ;-p like don't buy 5 liters gass to go 7 liters gass way, the gass is totally good the mileage specs and pricing is all there. ;-) maybe your unit is malfunctioning..,? shou;dnt sound any different than any of your other amps, and shouldn't sound much of anything at all ;-) maybe your hearing a really power hungry and power starved headphone, or maybe all your other amps have an high output impedance,which has corrupted your sound reproduction and expectations..,
Furthermore, if you're going to refer to psychoacoustics (how our brain interprets and further experiences sound, depending on how it's physically manifested) as "what your own head's making up", it only showcases your own ignorance on the topic, which is kind of the irony here. This is further demonstrated by how your suggestions make no sense (as to what might the problem be) given the circumstance I described (nevermind that I'm very well informed on this topic and always have my setup optimized beyond any given norm). The digital domain is literally where I started my learning in audio. I also mentioned what headphones I was working with...
By "they", I was referring to the general sound, but more specifically its harmonic representation.
Like I said, I'm not willing to argue this here (or now), but I'll give you one example of something to demonstrate my point with respect to how benchmarking and measuring the electrical output is misaligned with what actually influences our human perception. A measure of THD (total harmonic distortion) doesn't tell you WHICH harmonics or where (though obviously you can find graphs which do highlight how much in what specific frequencies). We perceive odd and even-ordered harmonics very differently, and odd-ordered harmonics we perceive as less natural (or "digital sounding", as audiophiles may have often cried). This is because sounds in nature very uncommonly have this kind of harmonic balance, and we are very keen to sense this. In other words, you can have TWICE as much distortion, but if it's even-ordered, we are likely to perceive it as CLOSER to the original sound (as originally captured) than we would with half as much if it's odd-ordered.
As I otherwise mentioned, I don't know what exactly the O2 amp is doing to result in the kind of sound I was describing, for reasons you agreed with me on which we don't have the tools for, but I picked it out every time in the conducted AB test (with help from a friend who ensured there was no possible association I can have for where the sound is being sourced from). Take from this what you will.
You make your post, not as a review of the product, but to challenge the perspective the all items representing sound reproduction are measured, especially regarding the role of an amplifier? That is, you feel there are unmeasured figures in the reproduction of the sound samples and that my perspective the the reproduction is measurable is misleading to you?
" measure of THD (total harmonic distortion) doesn't tell you WHICH harmonics or where (though obviously you can find graphs which do highlight how much in what specific frequencies)." yes and while the graphs are viewable, this is just in terms of distortions, which is measureable against that characteristic of other amps, like one persons purse might have 1 loonie and 3 quarters, and represent a total value of one dollar and seventy five cents, someone might elsewise have three dollars, these are real values, just like thd, it's pretty easy to see the graph and pic a proffered plot..,
"This is because sounds in nature very uncommonly have this kind of harmonic balance, and we are very keen to sense this. In other words, you can have TWICE as much distortion, but if it's even-ordered, we are likely to perceive it as CLOSER to the original sound (as originally captured) than we would with half as much if it's odd-ordered."
lol okay, but what d you mean to say this has to do with this particular amp then?! in so much as any other amp?
"As I otherwise mentioned, I don't know what exactly the O2 amp is doing to result in the kind of sound I was describing, for reasons you agreed with me on which we don't have the tools for, but I picked it out every time in the conducted AB test (with help from a friend who ensured there was no possible association I can have for where the sound is being sourced from). Take from this what you will.
" well then i simply chalk your experience up to an improperly setup implementation, something you have setup there, i say, is obviously broken. Measure your output impedance of your reference condition is too high for your phones, or maybe your going out of bounds with this amp and your power draw,. not sure, maybe your test setup for your ab comparison is not well done, or your other amp is broken, but the amps jobs is to accurately reproduce the samples, and shouldn't sound noticeably then any other quality amp., besides a bit of distortion, especially when your testing mono, 1 channel at a time., so if something is coloring the music, so things sound different to you, your equipment i must contest is; improperly setup. One amp shouldn't have anymore bass, or any more trebel, then the other quality amp. right? So long as the power demand is there, the 02's been shown to reproduce the frequencies evenly well, at various loads eh., unless your convincing yourself of things, and then thats hardly fair on the amp. Do you agree that any given test tone should be reproduce the same between the 02 and any other quality(accurate in reproducing source material) "amplifier"? Like, if you need to you can ytest reproducing a 60hz sound at reference condition, and see if your system pics up that 60hz sound at the correct volume, once you've calibrated your setup. even throw some loads in there
You're continuing to do the same thing. Yes, a perspective that's offered as the truth can be misleading to somebody else. No, there's no reason to assume an improper setup which at this this point I have to submit is a rationalization, precisely in order to dismiss anything being said - again having used reductionism and strawman tactics. And no, I'm not dodging, as I actually engaged this your nonsense and explained myself further, so if anyone with sense were to come across this, they might possibly retain some further value. Any further reason I'm not responding to anything else is because your questions aren't questions; they're underhanded insinuations.
You made this personal from the very first post, so now you get in return a response to the undertone your commentary has had throughout, which was way more substantial than anything you actually said, unfortunately...
Feel free to further vent your poorly constructed babble with this uncooperative mindset you've developed in your social approach/interactions. Hope one day you're surrounded by better people with whom this isn't the established norm, as is all it could possibly be with you quite literally open the conversation in this way (doesn't matter how good YOU think the people are). A mentality like this is completely a product of the environment, so I don't blame you, but I don't care to further engage. Nothing productive about it and whether consciously or not, you're forcing it to be even less so - again, the furthest thing from wanting to learn anything from me, regardless of your purported intentions.