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bsastor
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Dec 29, 2018
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Hey guys is this amp still relevant after being up for so long in terms of price vs performance? Is this the right time to get it? Im just confused and totally paralysed when there are so many options if its not sold on massdrop.
Dec 29, 2018
Uzuzu
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Dec 30, 2018
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It is still a great amp. For 95 dollars though? Not anymore. Get the JDS Labs atom, it's 99 dollars, cleaner, and has a lot more power. Seriously.
Dec 30, 2018
bsastor
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Dec 30, 2018
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Haha since you're not the first guy saying this, i will lean towards the atom. Time to do more homework until MD puts the atom up then. Thanks Uzuzu!
Dec 30, 2018
Uzuzu
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Dec 30, 2018
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MD won't have the atom at least not soon, it's a new item.
Dec 30, 2018
Skitz
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Dec 31, 2018
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where can i get the atom, i cant find it anywhere in canada
Dec 31, 2018
Uzuzu
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Dec 31, 2018
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JDS Labs website only. Do they not ship to CA?
Dec 31, 2018
ThePuppetMaster
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Jan 1, 2019
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JDS Labs website ships to canada, about $190 cad with shipping.
Jan 1, 2019
bsastor
774
Jan 1, 2019
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It's 137 buckeroos to ship an atom to Singapore. hmmm...
Jan 1, 2019
Sujay Rao
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Jan 3, 2019
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I have the original RevB DAC and the Objective amp that I bought direct from JDS. I will say this much after a lifetime of listening to music, I delight in both and have been doing so without the slightest crisis of faith. The Objectives sound spacious, refined and detailed, with a great sense of tonal poise. Have no doubt that haute cuisine in the form of, say, a Chord Mojo, will flatter the palate with sophistication. The Objectives, on the other hand, will be the buttered toast and orange marmalade that you could eat every morning for all of your life and never be bored. If it sounds good, it will always be relevant. Old jungle saying.
Jan 3, 2019
Falafel
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Jan 6, 2019
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MD will never carry the Atom.
Jan 6, 2019
Uzuzu
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Jan 7, 2019
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I have a RevA Odac, aka the original one and yeah it sounds really good, even compared to some of these dual-circuit akm-type dacs. The odac is just effortless and natural sounding, I like its staging. It's not like because now we have all these amazing cheap dacs that measure better the music of the odac started to sound bad. Lol, everyone has unanimously agreed for half a decade the odac sounds good. However there are better options in 2019 for the money so it's obsolete in that regard for newcomers into audio. A topping d10 beats it and it's half the price, I can confirm it extracts more detail. YMMV.
Jan 7, 2019
bsastor
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Jan 7, 2019
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Back in the day it's harder for beginners to get in to high quality audio. Unlike now where there are a thousand brands to choose from and each has its own supporters. This is the confusing part these days for me as a beginner not expecting much from audio. Just casually listening and not spending lots in to it. Maybe just not yet...lol
Jan 7, 2019
Uzuzu
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Jan 7, 2019
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bruh, get a topping d10 and a jds atom or liquid spark and ignore dacs and amps for the next 5 years and just enjoy.
Jan 7, 2019
bsastor
774
Jan 7, 2019
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I like that idea. Heh heh. Atom is next on my list. Already using a DAC3 combined dac/amp. Listening and gaming with the knob at 2 o'clock. Paired with Senn 58X. Enjoying this setup for now. Hoping to slowly upgrade.
Jan 7, 2019
Uzuzu
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Jan 7, 2019
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what exact dac/amp combo is that? what's the maker?
Jan 7, 2019
bsastor
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Jan 7, 2019
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Jan 7, 2019
Uzuzu
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Jan 7, 2019
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Even the 598 at only 50 ohms to drive would probably still benefit from some additional power. Remember where you have your volume turned on the pot means little headphone to headphone. 2 o clock seems pretty late in the day haha but you might need that to be on 4 or 5 o clock for a 300 ohm headphone for the same volume, and generally when an amp is past its capabilities you hear the background noise. Even when driven to loud volume that can seem satisfactory, the driver itself may be under performing if not fed enough. Less efficient headphones love more voltage, aka the midrange Sennheisers like the hd6xx love huge voltage swing. In fact I guarantee more than half of the people who even own them are under-driving them and it's been a huge debate and discussion on head-fi for the past decade. That said modern headphones are easier to drive but many still benefit from decent, fat power. Beyers are my favorite and are a bit more efficient but the ones I like still benefit greatly from power, like the Amiron Home or my 880 600 ohms. The specs of the atom though are insane, though you may not really need an upgrade if at all if you enjoy your current setup and because the 598 are pretty easy to drive. When you do upgrade it would probably be both an amp and headphone, or even a dac if you ditch your nuforce.
Jan 7, 2019
bsastor
774
Jan 7, 2019
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Exactly per what you said. I am planning to get the 6XX eventually after getting a decent amp to drive it. Before that i can enjoy some more ooomph from the 58X. The maximum i can go on the Nuforce DAC3 is around 5 o'clock. Going higher than half past 4 will experience the 'background noise' you mentioned. The noise is quite serious especially when no sound is playing. Otherwise it's powerful enough for me for now. :)
Jan 7, 2019
Uzuzu
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Jan 7, 2019
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what you want is black silence at your normal listening volume. I always keep one volume for music or movies and never turn it higher or lower, and listen right around 70-75 db (track dependant). Headphones depending on their sensitivity may not even pick that noise up, or they will pick it up earlier or later on your volume pot. Only insane setups will have close to zero noise at max gain max volume. Mine becomes just presently audible around 12 o clock high gain, past 3 o clock low gain, but that's defeaning high for my amp and my cans are 600 ohms so it's virtually noiseless with any headphone on any gain unless I want to literally blow my headphone's drivers out. If you were to use the 6xx with that amp now you'd likely hear a headphone sounding very, very sloppy even if it was driven to the same volume as your 598 by turning it up higher. Less noticeable with a half decent amp which is why people believe the 6xx sounds good without driving it right, but once they do hear it driven right it is night and day.
Jan 7, 2019
Roen
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Jan 11, 2019
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The O2 is only relevant in today's market if you install batteries inside and have use cases that don't rely on AC mains power. For purely desktop use, the Atom is a better buy. You could even argue the Schiit Magni 3 is a good buy too.
Jan 11, 2019
bsastor
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Jan 11, 2019
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Hey Roen, in that case it's not relevant for desktop users which the O2 was originally made for. The ability to use with batteries is just absurd, look at the I/O interface! Uzuzu and the other guys have totally convinced me about the atom. It's next on my list!
Jan 11, 2019
Sujay Rao
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Jan 11, 2019
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True. An amp that measures great and one that sounds great may not be the same thing. Also, I would rather have an amp, DAC or headphone that makes me smile rather than the critic.
Jan 11, 2019
Roen
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Jan 11, 2019
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I use the O2 because I can power it without AC mains power for when I am in transit and I use it on AC power at work. At home I have the Massdrop THX AAA 789. I've yet to find a battery powered amplifier that performs better than the O2 in hybrid desktop / portable use. The ability to output 4.5V on battery and 7V on mains power is nice to have.
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Jan 11, 2019
Mickifree
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Jan 17, 2019
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How does the JDS Labs Atom compare to the Magni 3? I pretty much know nothing, and want to spend my money wisely.
Jan 17, 2019
Sujay Rao
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Jan 17, 2019
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Magni 3 is a great amp. In the now rapidly crowding $100 stables it’s a very attractive player. It’s a slightly rough sounding amp. Some distortion at higher volumes. In my opinion the Atom is a superior sonic experience. It has a very refined and spacious sound with lots of detail. It’s less punchy than the Magni 3 but wonderfully rich and non fatiguing. Even compared to the Objective amp, it’s distinctly more detailed and smooth. Watch out for the unusual AC-AC adapter (the input is AC, not DC)
Jan 17, 2019
Uzuzu
1441
Jan 22, 2019
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atom is superior, from memory I believe it is less power. If you want more power get a liquid spark, cleaner than magni 3 and more powerful than atom. atom beats it in resolution though. TBH I'd recommend the atom
Jan 22, 2019
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