Massdrop O2 + SDAC DAC/Amp
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Massdrop O2 + SDAC DAC/Amp
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For the objectivist audiophile seeking a complete desktop solution, there’s the Massdrop O2 + SDAC: a DAC/amp that brings two great products together in one affordable, easy-to-use package. It features the Massdrop Objective 2 (or O2), the community’s favorite solid-state amp, alongside the Massdrop x Grace Design Standard DAC (or SDAC), a collaboration with a company long known for its incredibly accurate, transparent studio gear ... Read More
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CEE_TEE
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Sep 18, 2017
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Hello Everyone,
Sorry it took a while, we did hear you.
There have been 6,647 requests for another drop of the Massdrop O2+ODAC DAC/Amp Combo: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-o2-odac
We were not able to continue offering that version at the price point that made the product accessible, so we reached out to Grace Design for a new DAC that meets or exceeds all of the ODAC specifications (at a reasonable price).
Please meet the new Massdrop Objective 2 + Grace Design Standard DAC (SDAC) combo.
Designed to measure well, sound transparent, and be affordable.
Michael Grace does a great job of explaining some details about the SDAC here: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-grace-design-standard-dac/talk/1806625
In addition: Since we have several DAC & Amp products available right now, here’s an overview to help with your options…
DAC & Amp Family UPDATE 9/18/2017: https://www.massdrop.com/talk/2363/audiophile-custom-products-dac-amp-update-9-18-2017
Thank you so much for all of the requests and support!
Sorry it took a while, we did hear you.
There have been 6,647 requests for another drop of the Massdrop O2+ODAC DAC/Amp Combo: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-o2-odac
We were not able to continue offering that version at the price point that made the product accessible, so we reached out to Grace Design for a new DAC that meets or exceeds all of the ODAC specifications (at a reasonable price).
Please meet the new Massdrop Objective 2 + Grace Design Standard DAC (SDAC) combo.
Designed to measure well, sound transparent, and be affordable.
Michael Grace does a great job of explaining some details about the SDAC here: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-grace-design-standard-dac/talk/1806625
In addition: Since we have several DAC & Amp products available right now, here’s an overview to help with your options…
DAC & Amp Family UPDATE 9/18/2017: https://www.massdrop.com/talk/2363/audiophile-custom-products-dac-amp-update-9-18-2017
Thank you so much for all of the requests and support!
Hero2Hero
0
May 16, 2019
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Why does my old o2 Sdac sound like a lawn mower. Am I booking it up wrong. I plugged the usb and my headphones but it just makes a popping sound. It’s strange. I got three for my pc’s and they all do the same thing.
ang98320
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May 15, 2019
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My power block started humming really loudly, so I'm looking to replace it; whats a good replacement for it? I don't want to get the wrong block.
Valensilius_Zephyrus
126
May 15, 2019
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As long as it outputs 12VAC and the same output current or more (original does 200ms), you'll be fine. The power connector has to be the right one for the O2's jack and it must be center positive.
Here's one: https://www.jameco.com/z/ACU120050R-12VAC-500mA-AC-to-AC-Wall-Adapter-Power-Supply_2179614.html
A bit more than 12VAC wouldn't hurt in a way, but it could damage the voltage regulators because they lack heatsinks. Those regulators can take up to 40V or something, but without proper heatsinks, they'll overheat and die.
Mine died and so I've been using a spare 16VAC unit from Schiit that I had lying around without any issues for over a year.
Valensilius_Zephyrus
126
May 15, 2019
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Great, so long as you have a DAC that's pretty good with soundstaging. I don't know about that SDAC, though.
phoenixsong
573
May 4, 2019
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Not sure if this's been asked b4, but why's the voltage input requirement lower than that of the standard o2?
phoenixsong
573
May 16, 2019
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Oh I get it now- the usb input also serves as the power source for the dac while the 12v is solely for the amp section XD Thanks
rlxa
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May 2, 2019
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i'm going to be getting my first dac. i'm new to this kind of thing. just wanted to ask if this sdac is a good place to start.
i have a cheapo 5.1 surround setup from devant that i use for watching & playing. i also got a separate 2.1 m-audio av40 for mixing. also have an audio technica m50. i'm thinking of getting a scarlet 2i2 for mixing & recording, although i'm not sure if getting a separate dac is the way to go for just general use (watching stuff, playing, just casual listening) & even moreso, how to set it up. any tips?
looked into some amps before but i got advised that i need a dac before i can utilize amps. i looked at schiit stuff too, specifically the modi & magni 3. but they're fairly steep for someone who is just starting out & barely knows a thing or two about dacs in general.
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kevinhb
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May 2, 2019
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If you're trying to decide between this combo dac/amp and the modi 3/magni 3 stack as your starter set... I think I would go with the Schiit stack. I haven't heard the O2 + SDAC and that design has been reasonably well regarded for a long time, so I'm not going to act like it isn't worth it, but...
1) the latest iterations of both the Modi and the Magni are *extraordinarily* well-regarded for their price-point, both by measurement-heads and listening-is-everything folks in pretty much every case I've seen;
2) having DAC and amp as separate units will make fiddling with/partially upgrading your signal chain cheaper and more modular, which is really just FUN when you're first getting into audio; and
3) if you don't care about getting a brand-new unit (which IMO is pretty stupid, especially when you're at the <$100 price point; all my best audio gear and almost all of my gear period I've gotten secondhand) then you can get both the Modi and the Magni for $10 off each on b-stock https://www.schiit.com/b-stocks or even cheaper if you feel like going for non-official secondhand like eBay/craigslist. That's only $30 more than this drop price in total! (Not counting tax or shipping on either side because that's a pain, but you know, ballparks.)
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chozoXecho
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May 19, 2019
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i didnt even kno schiit had a b-stock section thanks so much i have been racking my brain for the past month on which amp to get for my hd6xx-- i was hesitant buying any thing off this site again due to customs problems charging me an exuberant amount of money for my hd6xx- but i can guess no longer ill go with a schiit stack :)
sr123
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Apr 29, 2019
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Great. Now that massdrop has been rebranded the item is already outdated before the drop even ended.
Desmoface
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Apr 29, 2019
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It says when powered, the rca’s are inputs. I want to run the rca’s to my preamp and be able to plug in headphones for music listening, so I want to use the rca’s as Preamp outs. Would this work for me? Thanks in advance.
cglin222
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Apr 29, 2019
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it says "When you're using the USB input, the RCA jacks act as an output from the SDAC. If you disconnect the USB, you can connect analog input from your favorite DAC straight to the O2."
So I assume you want to use the RCA as output? Then you have to plug in USB and POWER and run you RCA out
When you remove the USB, then RCA is input, which it only acts as an amp, POWER have to be pluged in , in either scenario
Valensilius_Zephyrus
126
May 15, 2019
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You will have to use the RCAs for SDAC output, but if you want the O2's output, you must use the 1/4" output on the front.
RayBol
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Apr 25, 2019
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btw, regarding the ifi question, the led lights up.... only no sound
RayBol
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Apr 25, 2019
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Had great results with ifi on hifiberry, so bough a 12 v/1.8A ifi power supply to improve the o2/sdac. But connecting doesn't give any sound..... some ideas about why? proper connector is used, apart from the inverter... Advice is highly appreciated.
Michael-Q
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May 11, 2019
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i glanced on ifi's website and sadly I couldn't easily identify whether the 12V 1.8A is AC or DC. I assume it's DC when the O2 needs AC. a google search of 12 v/1.8A ifi power supply showed "DC power supply" links.
Valensilius_Zephyrus
126
May 15, 2019
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The "stock smps" is not an smps, it is just a transformer in a plastic box, the power supply is built into the O2 PCB. It is a linear PSU.
SMSPS PSUs output DC voltage, not AC like that box included with the O2 to supply power, but the voltage conversiona dn all that jazz is done by the O2's PSU circuitry inside the unit.
shadowkreep
492
Apr 23, 2019
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If i get this, can i chain it to another amp and use the dac primarily?
Valensilius_Zephyrus
126
May 16, 2019
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Yeah, the SDAC runs only on USB power, don't even need the O2 to be on or hooked up to power at all.
JosephVTrojan
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Apr 15, 2019
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I want to get my first Amp and Dac so I am gonna go with a combo. Would yall say this is better or the O2 + SDAC DAC/Amp? Or would it be best to get a Aune X1S?
cglin222
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Apr 29, 2019
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get mayflower arc.. though it is more, but it has mic in and mic passthru, as well as dsp bass boost, plus optical in... great for gaming or music
ParadigmEX
4
Apr 9, 2019
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Is this worth getting to pair with my HD 58X Jubilee headphones? I'm not much of an audiophile so I don't know if this would benefit me that much.
LuckyLuke575
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Apr 19, 2019
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Definitely worthwhile, as you're getting a great DAC chip and very good power to be able to drive the HD58X (assuming that you don't have any amplification at present). The 58Xs still have relatively high impedance, so they benefit from amplification. I had the same experience with the 6XXs, and I can tell you that a much fuller and clearer sound comes out with a decent dac / amp.
O2 + SDAC DAC/AMP is a great choice for the money if you're just starting out.
v3kt0r
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Apr 5, 2019
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Guys, I don't get it, is there dsd support with dop? I'm probably demanding much more for price tag but that dac officially supports it.
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Valensilius_Zephyrus
126
May 16, 2019
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The XMOS USB receiver chipset has to be programmed for DSD support, which is not the case. No DSD.
Blackmagiq
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Mar 7, 2019
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Anyone know why my HD6XX connected to the O2 SDAC would be doing this? This is my replacement from the last one which was doing the same thing. https://photos.app.goo.gl/jXJDGGHL2KJTwGA16
reneruiz
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Apr 17, 2019
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There’s an option at checkout to add 110v AC adaptor. Was that one no good for those headphones?
kumiko
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Feb 23, 2019
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it says this restocks everyday, but it still says drop ended for me every time i check?
Is this coming back or what time does it come back
BlueyNaughton
0
Mar 10, 2019
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This is the DAC/amp I want to buy too. I am having the same problem.
Do I just need to be more patient?
Cribey
6
Feb 21, 2019
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Verified O2 Power Adapters
General Notes The Objective2 strictly requires an AC-to-AC transformer, with minimum 13.50VAC output (14VAC+ recommended). AC/DC adapters are very different from AC/AC adapters. Manufacturers commonly abbreviate and refer to all types simply as "AC Adapters", which gives no indication of their actual output. Most adapters are in fact AC/DC type, which supply DC current. These power adapters are used with typical electronics such as laptops, game consoles, computer peripherals, etc., and are not compatible with the Objective2. Required Characteristics The Objective2 accepts the following power adapter characteristics: Type: AC-to-AC Transformer (AC/AC, not AC/DC!) Voltage: 14VAC minimum, 20VAC maximum Current: 200mA minimum, no maximum Plug Size: 2.1 x 5.5mm (Inner Diameter x Outer Diameter) Choosing a Suitable AC/AC Adapter The above table is a user compiled list of power adapters suitable for use with the Objective2. Select an adapter with the correct plug type for your country. Refer to the following resources for help with plug types: Power Plugs by Country - Electric Power Around The World
Comparison of Plugs - AC Power Plugs If no adapters are listed with your country's plug type, try to select a foreign adapter with the correct Input Voltage and Frequency for your region. Then use a plug converter, such as the Kingsmart UNI001. As a last resort, you may need to use a Step-Down transformer in conjunction with one of the commonly available North American power adapters. One example is the Simran SMF-200. From JDS Labs website (http://www.jdslabs.com/O2_poweradapters.php)
General Notes The Objective2 strictly requires an AC-to-AC transformer, with minimum 13.50VAC output (14VAC+ recommended). AC/DC adapters are very different from AC/AC adapters. Manufacturers commonly abbreviate and refer to all types simply as "AC Adapters", which gives no indication of their actual output. Most adapters are in fact AC/DC type, which supply DC current. These power adapters are used with typical electronics such as laptops, game consoles, computer peripherals, etc., and are not compatible with the Objective2. Required Characteristics The Objective2 accepts the following power adapter characteristics: Type: AC-to-AC Transformer (AC/AC, not AC/DC!) Voltage: 14VAC minimum, 20VAC maximum Current: 200mA minimum, no maximum Plug Size: 2.1 x 5.5mm (Inner Diameter x Outer Diameter) Choosing a Suitable AC/AC Adapter The above table is a user compiled list of power adapters suitable for use with the Objective2. Select an adapter with the correct plug type for your country. Refer to the following resources for help with plug types: Power Plugs by Country - Electric Power Around The World
Comparison of Plugs - AC Power Plugs If no adapters are listed with your country's plug type, try to select a foreign adapter with the correct Input Voltage and Frequency for your region. Then use a plug converter, such as the Kingsmart UNI001. As a last resort, you may need to use a Step-Down transformer in conjunction with one of the commonly available North American power adapters. One example is the Simran SMF-200. From JDS Labs website (http://www.jdslabs.com/O2_poweradapters.php)
Cribey
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Apr 15, 2019
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@Wariofart The package DOES come with a power adaptor - you need to choose which one you need from the drop-down in the checkout;
- 110V
- 230V
Eric.ryan
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Feb 21, 2019
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Will the medium gain version work with both iems and headphones such as Sennheiser hd6xx?
AMKR
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Feb 21, 2019
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Is there anyway to use this and my Rupert Neve headphone amp? Ot am I thinking of this wrong?
shadowkreep
492
Apr 23, 2019
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It can apparently be used as both an amp and a dac so the use of external devices is available.
SonyChubb2
2
Feb 21, 2019
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I just got mine today. It is passing the sound out through the back output to my computer speakers just fine, but my headphones are getting a horrible buzz. When I first turn it on everything is good and then after about 45 seconds I get a building buzz in the left headphone. I am using HifiMan 400i's. If I turn off the unit the buzz goes away... for about 45 seconds, and then it comes back. I have unplugged the unit, moved the outlet it is plugged into, and used another set of headphones (Bose) and still get the buzz. Can someone help? Thanks.
Valensilius_Zephyrus
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May 16, 2019
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I'm poking around here to see if others are doing this. I picked up a second-hand unit and get a similar problem. Drop decided to simply short the SDAC output to the O2 RCA input, from what I can see looking at the PCB. This should be handled with a relay or something to properly do the changes in connections or whatever, or there should be a switch.
The design is botched, I believe.
Andy.k
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Feb 20, 2019
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So I'm kind of new to this audiophile thing, and I ordered this with a Sennheiser 6XX, do I just plug in the sennheiser to the front 3.5, and the rear with the AC power, and the micro usb port to usb onto my computer? or do i need that and the rca to 3.5 to my computer as well?
Gadgetslove
5
Apr 5, 2019
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Only use USB to micro-USB connection. This has a BUILT-IN DAC. DON'T use the RCA connection from computer to this DAC-amp. The DAC in the computer is horribly noisy.
LuckyLuke575
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Apr 19, 2019
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Other key things to know about when using a DAC for the first time is to adjust the Windows Sound settings so that the audio data is sent to the DAC for decoding in its full resolution.
This video does a good job of explaining how to set up the DAC in Windows (there are simular tutortilas for doing the same for Mac OS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc9uTIweTyY
cino
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Feb 18, 2019
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Hello as 220V wall warts are out of stock, need to source one, what is the amperage needed?
I see O2 clones selling with 500mA psu and @MetaMorph is talking about 310mA for the DAC (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-o2-sdac-dac-amp/talk/1823538).
So I guess any 1A would do the job, please confirm?
cino
94
Feb 26, 2019
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Hope electrolytes aren't rated at 16V or I'll be cooking them gently since yesterday!
Valensilius_Zephyrus
126
May 16, 2019
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The electrolytics won't see such high voltages even if you feed 30VAC into the power input.
Chagar
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May 1, 2019
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Can you get a USB C to Micro USB converter? I want to plug it into my phone which has USB C.
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Valensilius_Zephyrus
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May 16, 2019
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I don't think the USB receiver chipset in the SDAC is designed to work with smartphones and tablets.
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