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revrseat70
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Feb 8, 2018
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These, 400i's, or X2's for the same money? (Powered by a Dragonfly Red, and mostly listen to hard, classic, and blues rock)
Jiv_au
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Feb 8, 2018
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revrseat70They're all different, but if it's purely for those types of music then I'd go for HD6xx. It may be a bit too mellow and warm but there are very easy mods to make it brighter.
I've heard stories that DFR doesn't drive HD6xx very well.
I've heard stories that DFR doesn't drive HD6xx very well.
Jiv_au
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Feb 9, 2018
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Skynet6A HD 6xx is 300ohm impedance, which means you'll need a decent amp. An Objective 2 amp as a bare minimum.
X2, on the other hand, is 32ohm, and can be use with smartphones, laptop, desktop, without an amp.
I have X2 as well and use it for games that has explosions (e.g. BF1, Farcry series), and pop music that has lots of beats but only simple sounds (bass, drum, elec. guitar, normal voice). That punchy badass mid-bass is really fun, and shockingly good in reproducing rifle crack sound in games. But it seems to fall short for detail.
I use HD 6xx for complex music only, especially those that have a lot of instruments, such as a full orchestra, or quartet, or when the music emphasize on the details. I'll just quote Nwavguy for my impression: " It didn’t make a strong first impression. To me, they’re warm, mellow, and rather laid back. It’s neither sterile or analytical. They seem to remove glare, sibilance, harshness and other obvious flaws that are so common in many (especially pop) recordings and somehow reveal more of the music. "
Is it worth buying (along with a decent amp)? Yes, because it will take you to a whole new listening experience, and then you would be able to use that experience as a reference when looking for other headphones.
I have X2 as well and use it for games that has explosions (e.g. BF1, Farcry series), and pop music that has lots of beats but only simple sounds (bass, drum, elec. guitar, normal voice). That punchy badass mid-bass is really fun, and shockingly good in reproducing rifle crack sound in games. But it seems to fall short for detail.
I use HD 6xx for complex music only, especially those that have a lot of instruments, such as a full orchestra, or quartet, or when the music emphasize on the details. I'll just quote Nwavguy for my impression: " It didn’t make a strong first impression. To me, they’re warm, mellow, and rather laid back. It’s neither sterile or analytical. They seem to remove glare, sibilance, harshness and other obvious flaws that are so common in many (especially pop) recordings and somehow reveal more of the music. "
Is it worth buying (along with a decent amp)? Yes, because it will take you to a whole new listening experience, and then you would be able to use that experience as a reference when looking for other headphones.
Skynet6
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Feb 9, 2018
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Jiv_auThank you, I wanted to try something different bcuz i have large ears and can wear the x2 for only 40 min before it starts to hurt and it gets hot and super annoying , i thought about the LG V30 since it has a quad dac and can power high impedance headphones, do u find the hd6xx more comfortable than the x2?
Mikehrra
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Feb 9, 2018
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revrseat70HD-6XX + Dragonfly Red its "OK" at 90-100% lacks of power really..., doesnt drive em fully, I have them.
Jiv_au
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Feb 9, 2018
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Skynet6The HD 6xx is oval shaped to match the shape of a typical ear, and it's 5mm/0.2inch longer vertically.
It's also much lighter than the X2, so you may find it easier on your ears and head.
There is also a video for how to loosen the clamp force for HD 6xx/650.
(HD6xx-Left, X2-Right)
Civilizations
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Feb 9, 2018
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Jiv_auWhile I appreciate the attempt at informing, I think you are scaring people away with your thoughts on amps. The HD 6xx can be driven pretty decently by most devices, although you won't be reaching the highest volumes. But it's bad for your ears to be listening that loudly, anyways.
Natively out of my computer's motherboard port, it can reach 50-60 dB. Lol I even use it with my 2DS sometimes.
But saying an Objective 2 is a "bare minimum" is very far from the truth.
Natively out of my computer's motherboard port, it can reach 50-60 dB. Lol I even use it with my 2DS sometimes.
But saying an Objective 2 is a "bare minimum" is very far from the truth.
DJAT
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Feb 9, 2018
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CivilizationsI agree. Trouble with ur phone maybe, but with most DAPs one may not require an amp necessarily. The 6XX despite its 300 ohm impedance runs relatively easily, and just way too easily compared to even 35 ohm planars (my He400i at least)
DJAT
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Feb 9, 2018
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revrseat70Let me give you my two cents. This is a comparison between the options only.
HE-400i: Fast. Soundstage? Immense. Comfort is great. Very demanding in power. Bass quantity: lowest in this lot. Bass quality/extension: Excellent. Overall sound: fantastic, towards neutral, 0 fatigue. A little wider, surrounding sound. Surrounded, stadium like bass is also excellent.
6XX: Vocals: Excellent. Soundstage: narrow. Not too demanding in power. Bass: more than both the Philips and Hifiman. Overall sound is a little narrower than the Hifiman but very commanding. Comfort: a little less; tighter clamping. Some fatigue in longer sessions. Only some. Sound more front centered compared to Hifiman.
X2: can't comment but I think it may be a little inferior to both the others. Just my thought. No, haven't tried so it's just my perception.
I must tell you though that the 6XX is better in a way that it needs no mods. I've heavily modified all my cans. The senns are the only ones that don't require it. I'd choose these if I'm more into electronic music. Overall I think this would be the best pick.
If you're looking for more bass, you'll surely need to change the pads of the Hifiman.
HE-400i: Fast. Soundstage? Immense. Comfort is great. Very demanding in power. Bass quantity: lowest in this lot. Bass quality/extension: Excellent. Overall sound: fantastic, towards neutral, 0 fatigue. A little wider, surrounding sound. Surrounded, stadium like bass is also excellent.
6XX: Vocals: Excellent. Soundstage: narrow. Not too demanding in power. Bass: more than both the Philips and Hifiman. Overall sound is a little narrower than the Hifiman but very commanding. Comfort: a little less; tighter clamping. Some fatigue in longer sessions. Only some. Sound more front centered compared to Hifiman.
X2: can't comment but I think it may be a little inferior to both the others. Just my thought. No, haven't tried so it's just my perception.
I must tell you though that the 6XX is better in a way that it needs no mods. I've heavily modified all my cans. The senns are the only ones that don't require it. I'd choose these if I'm more into electronic music. Overall I think this would be the best pick.
If you're looking for more bass, you'll surely need to change the pads of the Hifiman.
PeteMtl
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Feb 9, 2018
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Jiv_auMy personal experience tells me that the HD6xx pairs very well with the DFR. I use them all the time when I’m with my iPad or iPhone and not in the living room near my O2/SDAC. The DFR outputs at 2vrms. It is enough for the HD6xx at moderate to higher than moderate volume outputs. By the way, the DFR has a very compatible sound caracter to the HD6xx, with a nice and clear treble response and tight bass, two factors that compensate the HD6xx’s sound caracteristics.
ViciousBunny
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Feb 9, 2018
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CivilizationsAgreed. Despite the high impedance of the headphones the sensitivity of the drivers allow them to be used on most mobile devices. However I will say that the difference can be as drastic as hearing music rather than listening to or experiencing it in some cases. I think that is one of the great things about the HD650 or HD6XX is that you can use it on a phone but if you want to enjoy it more you upgrade to a better Amp and Can do so I’ve been using a Fulla 2 and really enjoy the experience but I know I could upgrade to an Audio GD amp or Jotenheim and enjoy even more.
Impulses
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Feb 10, 2018
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Skynet6If you have a decent source (doesn't have to be anything exotic or over $100 mind you) and you aren't entirely happy with the Fidelios I'd say yes. If you're happy or you're driving them from a poor source (phone, motherboard, etc.) I'd say no.
My frame of reference: I acutally own the X2 & HD600, I listen to all kinds of genres, and I use the HD600 for most (HD6XX incoming just because I've heard the HD650, preferred it slightly, and wanna mod one of the two).
I preferred the Senns even when I had a lower end amp/DAC. The X2 bass hits harder but it's also more sloppy, it's slightly more fun with some things but not enough to warrant owning both or for me to prefer it overall. The only reason I haven't sold them is gaming...
The soundstage the X2 throws is a lot better for online gaming, and I like plugging the V-Moda BoomPro mic right into it rather than dealing with multiple wires etc. If I wasn't gaming or was badly cash strapped I'd sell them off, but they aren't that expensive so w/e.
There's cheaper headphones with decent soundstage you can get solely for gaming, I kept tht X2 only cause I had them already, and do use them occasionally off my old Nexus 7.
My frame of reference: I acutally own the X2 & HD600, I listen to all kinds of genres, and I use the HD600 for most (HD6XX incoming just because I've heard the HD650, preferred it slightly, and wanna mod one of the two).
I preferred the Senns even when I had a lower end amp/DAC. The X2 bass hits harder but it's also more sloppy, it's slightly more fun with some things but not enough to warrant owning both or for me to prefer it overall. The only reason I haven't sold them is gaming...
The soundstage the X2 throws is a lot better for online gaming, and I like plugging the V-Moda BoomPro mic right into it rather than dealing with multiple wires etc. If I wasn't gaming or was badly cash strapped I'd sell them off, but they aren't that expensive so w/e.
There's cheaper headphones with decent soundstage you can get solely for gaming, I kept tht X2 only cause I had them already, and do use them occasionally off my old Nexus 7.
Charlie_J
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Apr 5, 2019
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DJATSry for replying to such an old comment. I am curious, which headphone would have the cleanest, most crystal like sound? I’m deciding between the he4xx and the hd6xx, and my musical preferences are jazz, orchestral, female&male vocals. I’m new to the audiophile world so i am not really sure what would brightness sound like on a headphone, but i play the trumpet myself so i may be accustomed to a more bright sound? The previous most expensive headphones i had were the bose QCs, which i did not enjoy the sound itself at all due to how distant the sound seems.
PeteMtl
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Apr 5, 2019
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Charlie_JI own both the HD6XX and the HE400i (similar to HE4XX), the later which I bought at the Montreal audio fest 2019 (I paid 200$ Canadian for a brand new pair from Seller Audioville). I also own multiple other headphones (Ath-M50X, HD25-1II, Amperior, HD58X, Momentum 1 over ear, Momentum 2 Wireless Over Ear, PX-100-III, and a few others). But back to your question: I would put it this way: the HD6XX is slightly more mid-centric and overall a warmer headphone because of its mid-bass accentuation. For vocals in my opinion it cannot be beaten and it produces a slightly warm laid back euphonic sound that pleases me a lot. By comparison, the HE400i is slightly more v-shaped, with cleaner firmer and faster (but less proeminent) bass, good but slightly backward mids and slightly more sparkling in the treble (8khz-12khz) region, which may be perceived as brighter more exciting high treble but may also be perceived as slightly sibilant with some excessive treble recordings. The HE-400i is therefore slightly colder than the HD6XX, but also produces more “airy” transparent sound. However both headphones produce spectacular open sound for the price, and have more in common than they are different: open backed sound, good mids, generally well balanced and close to neutral (one is slightly warmer, the older colder). Both lack a bit in the sub bass region, but that doesn’t stop them from having very satisfying sub bass and overall bass. For long periods of listening, the HD6XX may be preferable, producing less fatiguing sound. Both are relatively comfortable. I love both, it’s a question of personal preference. But I would never depart from my HD6XX, I love their smooth sound and its exceptional mids, still better and more forward than the HE400i (and i’m NOT saying the HE400i hasn’t very good mids, they actually do!) and I really enjoy the clean sparkling but well balanced sound of the HE400i. I would expect the HE4XX to sound very similar to the HE400i. Hope it helps...
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