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These things are great, so much fun to listen to, lively, open, detailed, vivid, very good bass, excellent detail retrieval, just great. I use them with the Chord Mojo driven from my MacBook Pro. I sold an extremely expensive and very highly rated headphone/DAC combo because these headphones with the Mojo sounded so much better. And for $200.00 they are a positive steal, so much so that I keep looking around to see if the police are driving up my driveway. As for those folks who say these are mediocre or just fair, ignore them, they are the hobbyists and audiophiles who just don't seem to be able to be happy without the most intricate and obtuse setup. Just use a decent headphone amp, they don't sound as good if driven just by a smart phone or computer. I also upgraded to a lovely Moon cable and that made a nice difference, although the original cable sounded pretty good.