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This is a really comfortable pair of headphones as they are. They work well, but I didn't like them as much as my usual audio-technica ATH-M50x pair that I've been using for years. I'd have given them a 3.5 - 4 if anything then. Once I bought a Headphone Amp (Magni 3) my experience with them changed completely. The sound quality is spectacular. I'm not an audiophile by any means but this changes my experience working from home at my desk and listening to music dramatically. I'm really happy I was able to secure a pair of headphones like this for the price point offered here at MassDrop, I wouldn't have brought myself to spend the $500 or so they run normally.