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I upgraded from my Audio Technica ATH-M50X. For the same price that I bought those around 5 years ago, these blow them right out of the water right out of the box. I'm not using a secondary amp or dac, but my motherboard does have a built in amp that was advertised as handling up to 600 ohms. MSI Gaming pro carbon z270 for anyone who is wondering. These things are absolutely nuts. The comments about it having a low bass is absolutely true, luckily my mobo came with an EQ. Boosted the bass by 20% and its perfect. I'm amazed at the quality of these drivers. The plastic on the headband feels a little cheap, but to get a pair of 500 dollar headphones for 220 I'll certainly take that trade off. It does not matter what genre of music I throw at this thing, its rocks all of them. If I plug them directly into my s9+ you have to max the volume out, but thats to be expected with 300 ohms of impedance, still sounds great though. Match these babies with some .FLAC and you're on an adventure to your own world.