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LoGicMoTion
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Nov 7, 2016
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I have the AKG K7XX, why should I get these anyone want to help?
Nov 7, 2016
trybeingarun
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Nov 7, 2016
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I also have the same question. Is there a point to get these if you have K7XX?
Nov 7, 2016
LoGicMoTion
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Nov 7, 2016
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From what i've read on the thread its only if you want more bass no one has really said much else wish i could get a more detailed explanation.
Nov 7, 2016
Buckbrick
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Nov 7, 2016
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Lol. I have the TH-X00 and they are awesome. Should I get these then??
Nov 7, 2016
HuJian
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Nov 7, 2016
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I sold my K7XX to get these. These are incredibly scalable on up to the highest level of source and can basically be an end-game headphone for anyone. There are also several super simple mods that you can do to take them to the next level right away.
Nov 7, 2016
SeT9
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Nov 7, 2016
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Mostly sound preference. General consensus is the hd650 has smoother more detailed midrange and treble, with everything sounding more integrated together. The k7xx has deeper more linear, and detailed bass. Other than that they are on a similar level, though hd650 is technically better; at the level of the k7xx it won't seem like a huge leap.
The hd650 sounds warm and laid back, midbass and midrange are the focus. It has enough subbass and treble, but they may seem recessed in comparison to the slightly boosted midbass.
The k7xx has a drier sound, The treble and upper midrange are more of the focus, more treble typically leading to the impression of a larger soundstage.
When I say more detailed, I mean real detail, the treble is softer sounding by comparison, but all the detail is blended in there. The k7xx treble is also detailed but it's like a sharpening filter is there, making it easier to pinpoint sound location, but not necessarily all the micro details.
When gaming using the two, the hd650 has a very accurate circular soundstage but the source of a sound is more of a blob, a general area, cloudy sounding. The k7xx is like a sharpening filter on positional cues, you immediately perceive with pinpoint accuracy exactly where a sound is coming from. I like both presentations, but clearly the k7xx is more competitive.
K7xx is definitely better for gaming, but I generally prefer the hd650 for long term music listening. It's just easier on the ears with the laid back treble and upper midrange.
One awesome mod (probably voids the warranty) you can do with the k7xx is remove a tuning sticker from the bass ports on each cup, and boost only the subbass by 3-5 decibels or so. So if you prefer subbass over midbass definitely go with the k7xx. But midbass is what gives a headphone a tonally warm sound. The k7xx is more like a subwoofer added on and its bass doesn't really affect the tone of the midrange. That's why in general people will say the hd650 is a bassier sounding headphone, when they fail to mention upper mid or subbass.
Nov 7, 2016
indi_guy
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Nov 7, 2016
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There is a bass mod for AKG 7XX. IF you can do that then be happy with your AKG.
Nov 7, 2016
TechCity
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Nov 7, 2016
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You basically summed it pretty correctly Set9. I like the AKG's for there soundstage. It feels very expansive and that is great. I like having a HP in the collection that is all about the soundstange. Also, I never found the AKG's to cause listening fatigue despite being rather clinical in the treble & high's like my Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro's can at times. The reason Im personally going to ditch the k7xx is the headband. It just never sat right with my head unfortunately. :/ The classic style headband has agreed with my head-shape better and this is the primary reason Im going to grab these 6XX's from the drop. Also I do like a warmer sound signature most of the time, so if it comes at the cost of a little loss of a clinical sound-stage then so be it. When I want that sub-bass, I have the Fostex THX00's for that.
Nov 7, 2016
SeT9
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Nov 8, 2016
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Totally agreed, as much as I liked the k7xx at first that headband eventually got to me. It was too thin, and the earcups too large, and it just kept slipping around. I much prefer the hifiman take on the suspension strap design. I love the clamp and padding on the hd6xx series headphones, you put them on and they don't move, but they are still very comfortable.
Nov 8, 2016
TechCity
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Nov 8, 2016
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That's great to hear that they dont move. I only once had a chance to listen to the HD650's briefly so you cant really gauge how they will be long term in terms of comfort with a short listen like that. If it all works out with these headphones Im going to sell off my AKG k7xx & Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro's.
Nov 8, 2016
HuJian
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Nov 8, 2016
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Fit and comfort was something I NEVER had any trouble with when it came to the K7XX's. I sold off a pair of SHP9500's because they would slide right off my head with any tilting but the K7XX's stayed in place without ever feeling too tight or uncomfortable.
Nov 8, 2016
HuJian
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Yeah I wonder if I'll end up missing the soundstage with the K7XX's. We'll see.
Nov 8, 2016
CardinalHunter
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Damn that's some in depth af explanation
Nov 8, 2016
SeT9
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Nov 8, 2016
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Yeah, it is so hard to gauge how comfort will work with your head shape without just trying it out. Some people say the Sennheiser clamp immediately gives them a headache. For me though clamp has never been an issue, and the top padding has always been the main issue.
Nov 8, 2016
trybeingarun
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Nov 8, 2016
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Wow, that's pretty deep explanation. Do you listen to different genres of music? Would you pick one of the other for a specific genre? I listen to jazz, classical and Indian music myself. Will HD650 sound substantially better than K7XX for those genres?
Nov 8, 2016
SeT9
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Nov 8, 2016
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I listen to pretty much anything. As for deciding on a headphone for a genre? I don't usually do that, If I could I would just use one perfectly realistic detailed headphone. I think they are both great headphones for all of those genres. If I could I would merge their best qualities together, the k7xx deeper more linear bass, and treble, combined with the very consistent frequency response and slightly warmer sound and smooth vocals of the hd650.
If I had to choose between the two? it would probably be the hd650 just based on its smoothness and consistency. It has no major variations in its response. The k7xx on the other hand has some dips and peaks: a peak at around 2000hz, a dip around 3000hz, then another peak... It was the inconsistency that ended up deciding it for me. I think it is part of how it gives the impression of such a large sound field. To me it just made certain vocals sound a little more harsh, and the treble a little rough. The peaks and valleys aren't even that steep or that noticable, and the overall effect is still a very linear realistic headphone. Also my ears are apparently sensitive to 2000hz, so that relatively small peak ended up really annoying me.
But thats just a personal preference, plenty of people say the hd650 sounds boring, or not lively enough. I just think it sounds consistent, though once again, I wish it had better extension to the extremes, but at least that is easy to add back in EQ if i needed to. Also the headband system of the k7xx was really loose on my head, and slides around alot, I prefer the comfort and clamping force on the hd650.
I guess I would just ask which qualities of the k7xx are you dissatisfied with? If there isn't anything you can think of or are fixated on, the k7xx is really good.
Also, at the $300 and above mark for headphones diminishing returns on audio quality kicks in much harder (I consider both of these headphones in the $300-400 range as far as quality goes). So whether it would sound substantially better in those genres to you, would be based substantially on personal tonal preference. Every improvement in sound quality is fractional after this point.
My pick of the two is the HD650. They are both very linear and realistic headphones, but I prefer the overall presentation from the HD650. Sorry I'm long winded.
Nov 8, 2016
trybeingarun
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I still haven't received my k7xx's yet. I was wondering if there's value in buying these too if they were significantly better than k7xx for certain genres and the possibility that these might be really a limited edition. Appreciate your detailed response; it helps clarify the reasoning behind your preference rather than just pointing out which one you prefer!
Nov 8, 2016
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