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Will
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Hey Everyone, thanks for coming to our announcement for the Vast, Massdrop’s gaming monitor. If you read through the monitor sections of any gaming forum, you’ll find a consistent request: Give me the most desirable resolution (used to be 2560x1440, now it’s 3440x1440, once GFX cards catch up it’ll go to 4k I’m sure), with a refresh rate at 100hz+, and a response time below 4ms (g2g). There are other important specifications of course (none of that matters if the color reproduction is garbage or you’ve got massive back-light bleed), but assuming everything else follows the accepted standards, this is the holy trinity, and price points hover around the $1000 mark. Why do they cost so much? Monopoly. LG and Samsung own a patent on IPS technology, and they’ve invested hundreds of millions of dollars telling the american market that this is the only panel technology for high-end displays. Electronics retailers buy into this monopoly, because it works well for all parties involved. The manufacturers come out with the new desirable version every year, spends millions marketing them, the retailers have contracts committing them to a certain number of units, and the product sells itself. In short, everyone is comfortable making money, and they don’t want to rock the IPS boat, so why would they utilize another panel technology to solve the problems of the gaming community? They wouldn’t, that’s why we exist. On a sourcing trip last year we met with a number of monitor manufacturers and panel makers. AU Optronics was among those we spoke to and in our meeting they told us about a new kind of panel called VA. Now, it’s not new in the sense of technology that’s never been seen before, but a new refinement on VA technology that allows for 100% sRGB coverage, while hitting our targets for refresh rate, resolution, and response time. Additionally, VA panels have greater contrast than any panel type including IPS, which is valuable if you’re tired of backlight bleed in a dark room. If you google VA panels, you’ll find nearly none in the american market, and you’ll find generally limited information, or information from dubious sources. Why? Goes back to the monopoly point, retailers want a product that’s easy to sell, not a product that’s the best. If I’m Newegg and I know LG is going to spend $50mm advertising their products on american television this year, and AU Optronics is going to spend $0, those LG’s are going to be a lot easier to sell. We’re not banking on marketing spend, we’re banking on the quality + performance, and the enthusiast community not falling for advertising. From the specs to the industrial design, we’re incredibly proud of the Vast, and we hope gamers enjoy it. But while we designed it for gamers, at the introductory $549.99 shipped, we hope anyone that uses a computer all day can enjoy the immersive visual experience that comes from this combination of resolution, refresh rate, response time, sRGB coverage, and 1800R curve. Thanks for your interest in this product, I’ll be around the discussion to answer questions over the next couple days and I’ll make a new post prior to the launch with the most popular questions + answers.
Sep 15, 2017
Hadtomakeausername
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Sep 15, 2017
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Hey mate, if I was trying to sell this myself I think I would mention freesync more obviously than just the bullet points at the bottom. Just a friendly suggestion =]
Sep 15, 2017
Will
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Sep 15, 2017
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oh yea, got freesync as well folks : )
Thanks for calling that out. Do you have any thoughts about where we could work it into the description?
Sep 15, 2017
Codexe
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Sep 15, 2017
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Most monitors that have either gsync or freesync have it listed in the title
Sep 15, 2017
ZZ_UPenn
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Sep 15, 2017
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What is the warranty?
Sep 15, 2017
Hadtomakeausername
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Sep 15, 2017
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No worries fella, as Codexe has said it would make sense to have it in the title, but I'm not sure how well it would fit in with the current one. Perhaps you could list some of the important specs that people look for afterwards, possibly in parentheses and include it in there. Stuff like refresh rate, panel type etc.
Also with regards to the description I would probably just mention it anywhere that you refer to refresh rate as that seems most relevant.
Sep 15, 2017
Brainless
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Sep 15, 2017
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...watching a movie, or simply browsing. AMD Freesync technology synchronizes output of your AMD GPU to the screen refresh rate, eliminating any vertical tearing for an incredibly smooth gaming experience. Thanks to the strong 1800R curvature ...
Sep 15, 2017
Will
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Sep 15, 2017
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We're real quick
Sep 15, 2017
Will
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Sep 15, 2017
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Listed on the page
Sep 15, 2017
Brainless
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Sep 15, 2017
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Massdrop ninjas :) Any info whether it'll ship to Canada?
Sep 15, 2017
Will
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Sep 15, 2017
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Shipping to Canada costs $100, seems like that'd kill the desirability for most.
Sep 15, 2017
blahhh
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Sep 15, 2017
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Cause there are a lot of 3440x1440 100hz monitors for $650 USD available in Canada?
I just wish MD would do G-sync version...
Sep 15, 2017
JeffG
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Sep 15, 2017
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What's the warranty and dead pixel policy?
Sep 15, 2017
Will
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Chief Product Officer
Sep 15, 2017
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Warranty is listed on the page, these monitors are pixel perfect, any dead pixels are cause for a support inquiry.
Sep 15, 2017
JeffG
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Sep 15, 2017
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Thanks!
Sep 15, 2017
BagelBytes
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Sep 15, 2017
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Pixel perfect 1440p 100hz 35" ultrawide with an adjustable stand and vesa compatible for $550? If there were independent reviews for this monitor, this would be 100% the best ultrawide monitor deal anywhere. Do you know which exact VA panel is in this monitor?
Sep 15, 2017
sethgc
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Sep 15, 2017
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Certainly looks interesting :)
Any idea of a rough shipping date or a limit on quantities?
Sep 15, 2017
Sanuku
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Sep 16, 2017
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Will, if you find the time could you look into if it would be possible to get the same Screen with G-Sync too? I and many others are too probably are well aware that $550 wouldn`t be possible with G-Sync included but I would like to know if your current manufacturer would at least have the option for it too.
I have nothing against Free-Sync at all but I am kinda working with G-Sync since Day One so it would be nice to have an Option to get the Screen with it.
Thanks in advance.
Sep 16, 2017
Quimet93
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Sep 16, 2017
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200$ for G-Sync at least. Just get a better GPU and forget about that G-Sync/Free sync.
Sep 16, 2017
Spastek
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Sep 16, 2017
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GSYNC and FreeSYNC are also only good at lower FPS. This video does an excellent job of explaining why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWSRTYV8e0
Sep 16, 2017
zypherion
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Sep 16, 2017
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Gonna jump on the g-sync wagon too.. I have two decent computers that could benefit from a monitor upgrade and both are sporting Nvidia cards.
If it's truly a market thing then offer both and see which gets the most votes -or- work with a manufacturer who let's you offer the module as an upgrade option for the drop.
Sep 16, 2017
zaphrodbox
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Sep 16, 2017
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I'm interested to know more. So teach us, what is VA panel tech and how does it work and who is AU Optronics? Are small children assembling this 24 hours a day? If dubious info is all I will find then give me the real deal and I will most certainly invest in this monitor in G-V-or all sync options possible. Thanks for the interesting and hopefully great panel I look forward to hearing more about it.
Sep 16, 2017
tangman
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Sep 16, 2017
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Nice video!
It's why I stopped caring about GSync/FreeSync, knowing that my goal is to run games at high FPS. Yet lots of folks seem to still care about it.
I switched my focus to motion blur reduction, after reading about how effective it is. It's why I bought a LG 34UC79G, because it has that motion blur reduction feature without the price tag of GSync/ULMB. In the motion blur department, it's not perfect, but it's a vast improvement over my previous 35" VA panel.
That's what I'm worried about for this drop. Having used and upgraded from a 35" AOC VA panel, I fear the motion blur will be bad.
Now, if this monitor had motion blur reduction (backlight strobing) it would be a home run.
Sep 16, 2017
zaphrodbox
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Sep 16, 2017
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VA-typeAt the time of originally writing this article, there had only been a couple of high refresh rate VA panels released and used in mainstream monitors. Back in 2013 we saw a flat 23.5” panel emerge from Sharp, who aren’t really a big manufacturer of LCD panels for desktop monitors. Their 120Hz capable 1920 x 1080 VA panel was used in the very popular Eizo Foris FG2421. Much later on in late 2015 we saw AU Optronics release a curved 35” ultra-wide AMVA panel (M350DVR01.0) with 2560 x 1080 resolution and 144Hz refresh rate, which was used in various monitors including the BenQ XR3501 and Acer Predator Z35 for instance. That relatively low resolution allows the refresh rate of 144Hz to be supported over DisplayPort 1.2 video interfaces. In some cases, like the Acer Predator Z35, the panel can be combined with a G-sync module and this allows overclocking of the refresh rate up to 200Hz. Although from our tests, the pixel response times are not really adequate to keep up with the frame rate and 120Hz is about the sensible limit for that panel.AU Optronics AMVAAU Optronics have a native 200Hz version of this curved 35” panel that went in to production in June 2016 (M350DVR01.2) and looks to have been adopted first in the AOC AGON AG352QCX. They are also working on a smaller curved 30” ultra-wide panel (M300DVR01.0) with 2560 x 1080 resolution and a 200Hz refresh rate. It remains to be seen whether they have managed to reliably drive response times low enough to make this 200Hz practical, as the overclocked options so far have not been great. The forthcoming Acer Predator Z301C is expected to make use of this 30” size 2560 x 1080 @ 200Hz VA panel.In the higher resolution ultra-wide space AU Optronics have AMVA panels in production with 3440 x 1440 resolution and high native refresh rates.
There is the curved 35” M350QVR01.0 panel which went in to production in Sept 2016 (delayed a little from June/July) which offers a native 100Hz refresh rate, allowing AMVA panels to rival the current overclocked IPS panels which offer 3440 x 1440 @ 100Hz. There is also a borderless version in production since September at 100Hz (M350QVR01.1). The 100Hz refresh rate will be possible using the current widespread DisplayPort 1.2 video interface. The first screens to be announced based on these 100Hz VA panels at 3440 x 1440 are the HP Omen X35 and AOC AGON AG352UCG (which we have reviewed).Earlier roadmaps listed another 35" panel which would support 200Hz at 3440 x 1440 but that disappeared for a while, only to re-emerge again later. This is now pencilled in for mass production in Q3 2017. A couple of monitors have now been announced which look to be based on this forthcoming panel. There's the Asus ROG Swift PG35VQ and Acer Predator X35 which sport 200Hz refresh rate at 3440 x 1440 res, along with a 512-zone FALD backlight for HDR support.They also have a curved 30” panel planned with 3440 x 1440 resolution and 144Hz refresh rate which is expected to go in to production during Q3 2016. We might well see 3440 x 1440 @ 144Hz screens available with VA technology sooner than the IPS equivalents as the panels are at least already in production whereas LG.Display’s IPS versions aren’t planned until Q1 2017 at the moment.
It will depend on the adoption of new video interfaces though.As well as the ultra-wide market, AU Optronics are also already producing a curved 31.5” 16:9 aspect ratio panel with a 2560 x 1440 resolution and 144Hz (now updated to 165Hz) refresh rate (M315DVR01.0). That was originally expected to go in to production in January 2017 but that's now slipped to April 2017.A couple of curved 27” panels are planned. The first is without a confirmed production date, offering 2560 x 1440 @ 144Hz. There's also a 1920 x 1080 curved VA panel (M270HVR01.0) with 165Hz refresh rate support. That one has a production date of July 2017.AU
Optronics VA Panel Options Summary
27" curved16:92560 x 1440144HzTBC 27 27" curved16:91920 x 1080165HzJuly 2017 30" curved 1800R21:92560 x 1080200Hz2016 Acer Predator Z301C30" curved 2000R21:93440 x 1440144HzQ3 2016 31".5 curved 1800R16:92560 x 1440165HzApril 17 35" curved 2000R21:92560 x 1080144 - 200Hz2015BenQ XR3501, Acer Predator Z3535" curved 2000R21:92560 x 1080200HzJune 2016 AOC AGON AG352QCX35" curved 1800R21:93440 x 1440100HzSept 16 HP Omen X35, AOC AGON AG352UCG35" curved21:93440 x 1440200HzQ3 2017 Asus ROG Swift PG35VQ, Acer Predator X35
Sep 16, 2017
zaphrodbox
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Sep 16, 2017
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Sorry the above info was taken from UK website with link below http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/high_refresh_rate.htm
Sep 16, 2017
ajaxender12
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Sep 16, 2017
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It's great to see you guys take the ethos you've had in the audiophile space and expand, especially to a market like this one for all the reasons you list.
The thing is, this one isn't for me; it's close, but quite simply I want more and I'm willing to pay more, and you guys might be the only ones willing to step up to the plate. Heres what would make a monitor perfect for me: - 4k or ultra-wide 1440, either is fine. - Ideally not TN panel, but still fast g2g (I have no preference for IPS or other tech, this new VA tech sounds great). - Option for G-sync or Free-sync (I would love for AMD to release something competing with the 1080ti, until then I'm looking for G-sync). Aiming for 100Hz at least but failing that is not a deal breaker if both sync options are available. - Ultra-high dynamic range. This is the cool new thing. Get on to it! Beat the others to it! - HDMI Audio pass-through. This could be huge because I've never seen a monitor do this beyond a rudimentary 3.5mm jack, and that's simply not good enough if you're using quality speakers or headphones; which, hey, you guys have a hand in more and more people doing just that. Product synergy! I'd be all over a monitor doing this, making running consoles through both screen and sound sytem just as easy as with a TV.
Hoping this screen does well for you and you can keep iterating.
Sep 16, 2017
MooTaters
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Sep 16, 2017
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Viewing angle is another reason IPS is so popular, more so for TV's because of the chance being higher that you won't be looking directly at it. I know it really tripped me out standing up from my desk when I first got my current IPS monitor. Having had a TN panel for years upon years, it was rather odd not seeing color shift upon standing up. Not saying VA doesn't have good angles and little to maybe no color shift, I honestly don't know, just didn't see it mentioned.
On another note, I'd put my vote in on 16:10, people can hate on the black lines all they want, but they're nice for keeping video controls out of the way of the actual video. Plus I can't imagine 21:9 not feeling even more odd at first with those side bars. Not hating, just saying...in the end to each their own, I just wish 16:10 had more people on its boat instead of dying out like it has.
Sep 16, 2017
MooTaters
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Sep 16, 2017
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I will say this though, we all like gaming with little to no lag, and keeping FPS nice and smooth...but I'm sure many of us also know the heat that our rigs produce. FPS limiting has saved me a bunch in terms of heat output from my GPU, especially having it in a top floor room(heat rises) that's west facing which here = eating all that afternoon sunlight. Also if I'm not mistaken it helps with any dips in FPS that you might experience, which fluctuation is much more noticeable than solid FPS even at a lower rate.
Sep 16, 2017
kuzigu
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Sep 16, 2017
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Most is not all, hell, I'd still do it if you can ship for under 100 to the UAE.
Sep 16, 2017
Cyphre
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Sep 16, 2017
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Once overall performance for VA panels has been proven, they may indeed have a market share. They are lower cost for sure, but IPS has done so well these past years because of color accuracy and the gradual improvement in performance (such as response time).
While I have no doubt LG and Samsung have something of a monopoly on all forms of screens in this day and age, there isn't an emergent monitor technology that meets the standards that IPS does, despite manufacturer claims. I mean, you'll never convince me a TN panel comes close to IPS in terms of color. I've had both side by side before, and it's not some minor difference like tinting on Samsung or Apple phones.
Either way, this monitor looks like a great deal for this size/resolution! I paid a pretty penny for my Acer XR341ck, and there is no going back from the beauty and functionality of Ultrawide.
Sep 16, 2017
S4vant
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Sep 16, 2017
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Will, any chance this will be overclockable to 120 or 144hz?
Sep 16, 2017
itchy
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Sep 16, 2017
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You are on the internet. Look up the obvious stuff.
Sep 16, 2017
Spastek
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Sep 16, 2017
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Yes absolutely. I'm not saying it's not useful. It's definitely useful for lower FPS but for Higher FPS it's not necessary. So for instance if you play a lot of competitive games, you're probably intentionally running lower settings for more fps and thus GSYNC/FreeSYNC will be worthless to you, so no need to spend the extra money for a panel with it on there. On the other hand if you're playing a lot of more casual but visually demanding games, GSYNC/FreeSYNC can really smooth out the experience.
Having said that, I'd would rather put the extra money for a GSYNC monitor towards a better GPU or some other component. I just want people to make an informed buying decision and not buying into the hype of marketing. If you have a use for a monitor with GSYNC/FreeSYNC and want to spend the extra, don't let me stop you.
I look at the same thing for multicore/multithread processors for a pure gaming rig. While it's getting better, in most cases you don't need the top of the line processor and could put the extra money saved toward a better GPU, SSD, Memory, etc where you'd see better performance or at least similar performance at a cheaper cost.
Sep 16, 2017
Spastek
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Sep 16, 2017
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Yep. Although I would totally love to have a GSYNC ultra wide monitor for games like Skyrim where you can really push the graphics fidelity and end up running around 45 - 60. For me, that's the use case and range of which I would find GSYNC useful, but to me, it's simply not worth it.
Additionally I feel like marketing has hyped up FreeSYNC/GSYNC so that you feel like you're getting a subpar monitor without it, when in fact as long as it has low g2g, high refresh, etc then it's a perfectly great monitor. So I'm doing my due diligence simply inform people what it is those technologies. If people still want one after knowing exactly what it does and what they are paying for, more power to them.
Sep 16, 2017
strikeforceagent
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Sep 17, 2017
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What are the dimensions of the panel?
Sep 17, 2017
Mellowe
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Sep 19, 2017
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@Will VA panels are known to have serious ghosting problems in some cases. Can you tell us anything you know about ghosting issues on this particular panel? Thanks!
Sep 19, 2017
stupidusernamecheck
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Sep 19, 2017
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@Will Hi can you do us a huge favor and post the user manual or at least the OSD menues and contents ? I am specifically looking if this monitor has a selection for Aspect Ratio 1:1 (in addition to usual Widescreen etc)
Sep 19, 2017
zypherion
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Sep 20, 2017
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Legitimately curious what you use 1:1 for? I've never really encountered that.
Sep 20, 2017
randomlyrandom
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Sep 20, 2017
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Gaming with a shit video card maybe? Esports games at 300 fps would be nice if 1:1 can provide this
Sep 20, 2017
zypherion
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Sep 20, 2017
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I looked and found that some niche photographers use 1:1 for stills.. But I'm not sure exactly why the monitor would need to support it. You could always open the images using a different aspect ratio..
I'm hoping it's for something cool though, like some old skool terminal way down deep in a silo/bunker that can launch nukes but is operating headless right now because the government can't source a monitor that supports 1:1 anymore and the machine is too old or too dangerous to allow remote access.
If I don't hear back from him, that's what I'm choosing to believe.
Sep 20, 2017
zypherion
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I really hope you don't think I was being facetious or mean when I asked, I really am interested. I tried to think of the proper wording that would convey the question over the internet properly without sounding rude, but it still kinda sounds like I'm challenging your need.
Though, of course, you still have no obligation to tell me.
Sep 20, 2017
Will
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Sep 20, 2017
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Hey Mellowe, yes! I'm glad you asked about this. You are correct that many VA panel displays have ghosting/blur issues, and this was something we ran into early in the development process. I don't know if this is always the case, but we found the source of ghosting to be poorly optimized controller firmware. By working with our partners to rewrite the controller firmware, we were able to eliminate perceptible ghosting. Our benchmark is the PixPerAn chase test. See the attached screenshot (taken on my XB270HU at home) for an example of the test.
This test works by having two blocks of color traveling across the screen at the maximum supported FPS (the XB270HU is 144hz, thus the FPS flickers between 143 and 144) and you use the bar labeled "distance" to decrease the pixels between them until the trails/streaks overlap. The less ghosting you have, the lower that number can be without seeing the trails/streaks overlap. On color combo #1 (shown in the screenshot), we could consistently hit 1px.
So in short, we think the ghosting on VA panel displays has to do with inexperience programming controllers for VA panels rather than a flaw in the panel tech. We had ghosting, we optimized the firmware, and now we don't.
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Sep 20, 2017
Will
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Sep 20, 2017
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I don't have it in-front of me, but I'm pretty sure I remember the monitor allowing for 1:1. I only remember this because it seemed like an odd feature. Gotta view your instagram feed in full screen? Jokes aside, I'll verify and post some pics once I get into the office tomorrow.
Sep 20, 2017
m0arpheus
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Sep 20, 2017
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Great response Will - I'm fucking stoked for this drop and I hope it turns out amazing :)
Sep 20, 2017
stupidusernamecheck
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Sep 20, 2017
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haha, errr. what ? thanks!, cant wait
Sep 20, 2017
stupidusernamecheck
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Sep 20, 2017
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hey @zypherion, no prob.
EDIT: looking at your other post, just to make sure, by 1:1 it doesn't mean height and width are the same, it just means that controller doesn't change the aspect of the input (ex, input 1280x720 would use 1:1 pixels which means on this screen you will get 4 black bars around the screen, i'll try to putup a pic)
3 reasons. 1 . I develop some specific sw/apps that I need to verify on specific resolutions without having an emulator or to have it auto-aspected to what the monitor provides (generally it will just do crappy fullscreen) 2. My NVidia 1080 already cant handle bf1 on native resolution of this (and my current LG) monitor, it drops to 55 fps, so planning for future, if I set it to 2400x1440 then I get nice 1:1 setup and the fps still stays at 60fps. (son in future I will just keep on shrinking the display until I can affort a newer vid card) 3. MAME baby, the emulator is sweet, but it so much nicer as 1:1 (and I don't have to rotate my monitor!!!!) 4. the nuclear launch control in my bunker seems to only work on really old monochromes or the 1:1 lolz
oh, yeah, I just bought the LG 34UC80 which is very nice but blurry on gaming, but I don't do artsy things so don't need the IPS panel. so depending on what this monitor can do I would return it to amazon and eat the $26 shipping back charge.
Sep 20, 2017
zypherion
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Ahhhhhhhhh, I see. So like a "pixel perfect" or "natural" mode. Gotcha.
Thanks for getting back to me!
Sep 20, 2017
Will
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Ha! I was writing my response to you saying "Yea there's definitely a 1:1 option, but it's not making the screen square so maybe I'm missing something?".
So to confirm, 1:1 is an option in the aspect ratio menu of the OSD, and it performs exactly as you describe.
Sep 20, 2017
stupidusernamecheck
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Sep 20, 2017
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lolz CRAP, now I really have to repack and send the LG back
thanks for checking!

EDIT: OMG THE SHIP DATE IS JAN 2018!?!?!?!? now I really need to figure out how to get a monitor in the interim
Sep 20, 2017
saturnotaku
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Sep 20, 2017
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Hi Will, would you consider adding Lon Seidman (www.lon.tv) to your list of reviewers who will get a sample? Full disclosure, I do support him on Patreon but am otherwise not affiliated with him. His channel has about 150,000 subs as of the time I write this, and it's been growing very steadily in the 18 months I've or so that I've been a subscriber. You wouldn't be guaranteed a positive review, but it would be 100% honest. He is fully transparent with his viewers concerning relationships with companies, and I'm sure he would be more than happy to return the review unit back to you if you wanted to send it elsewhere or resell.
Sep 20, 2017
Atomkinder
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Sep 21, 2017
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Please get one of these to Level1Techs! They have been doing lots of Korean display reviews lately and this would fit in so well for their monitor content, as well as get more folks heading here. They do some very in-depth testing including color calibration testing.
Also hoping this drop repeats because this would be an amazing upgrade from my current 2560*1080 LG display but can't swing it right now.
Hrm, apparently links to YT channels not allowed? Official website: https://level1techs.com/
Sep 21, 2017
icecream345345
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Sep 21, 2017
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I ordered this already, but curious, what is the NTSC color measurement? 72% 80% 94%? I know sRGB is 100%... but just curious what the NTSC measurements are.
Sep 21, 2017
mtran1210
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Sep 21, 2017
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Im running AMD rx580 8gb. what's your pc specs? Will i be able to run games like PUBG and csgo smoothly at it's native res? your comment concerned me a little lol
Sep 21, 2017
Adamoknight
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Sep 21, 2017
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Hey Will, Just curious as to why shipping to the uk is so expensive and is there anyway of getting this down? Thanks in advance Adam
Sep 21, 2017
FlavorTown
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Sep 21, 2017
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"Will there be a G-Sync version of the Vast? No. The hardware necessary for G-Sync and the controller for the Vast are fundamentally incompatible."
Exactly what controller is being used in this monitor?
Sep 21, 2017
stupidusernamecheck
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Sep 22, 2017
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i7-4770 OCd to 4.1Ghz 8GB RAID10 4x10kRPM 300G drives founders 1080 not OCd
on bf1, all HIGH,(ie not ULTRA) and on the native res of this mon it cant pump out 60 fps in game(can only manage ~56) I may be doing something wrong, just not sure what.
Sep 22, 2017
FlavorTown
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Are you using display port cable? Make sure vsync is disabled in the nvidia control panel also in game options. make sure you go into the nvidia control panel and set the monitor to 144hz hope this helps.
Sep 22, 2017
FlavorTown
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Sep 22, 2017
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You should be getting at least 90-120fps on all ultra at that res
Sep 22, 2017
FlavorTown
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Sep 22, 2017
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Make sure you are running dx12 also make sure you have the most up to date drivers for your video card
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/123936/en-us
Sep 22, 2017
AddictedGamerSP
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Sep 23, 2017
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Will, not to poke holes in your statement here, but your screen shot is from a monitor that is 2560x1440, obviously not the monitor in question here (which is the Massdrop made 3440x1440 model).
Can you show us an ACTUAL blur-busters/PixPerAN report from the monitor you're selling?
Sep 23, 2017
NuclearLemons
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Sep 23, 2017
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they said in the message that it was a different panel, their point was that the firmware was the cause and that it can be fixed for any VA panel, including this one.
Sep 23, 2017
NuclearLemons
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Sep 23, 2017
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Hey will, happy backer and love the info you have provided so far (1440p freesync + vega 64 glory for less that a g-sync monitor of similar spec) i did have a question though, you said in the description it is a VA panel, but do you mean a MVA or a PVA"? Also, can you say for certain the ghosting has been addressed at such a high refresh rate and low response time?
Sep 23, 2017
S1M0N93
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Sep 25, 2017
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What dimensions will the final packaging have. And how much will it weigh.
Sep 25, 2017
stupidusernamecheck
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Sep 25, 2017
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Hey @FlavorTown yes DispPort cable, but yes, I was also running vsync, oops, will need to try it now without it. that monitor I have now only goes up to 60Hz, it is not a gaming monitor from that sense or any sense for that matter.
Sep 25, 2017
Cheshire330
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Sep 26, 2017
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When using outside of the US, like NZ or EU will the monitor work with a simple cable adapter or will it require a step down transformer to regulate power and not fry it?
Sep 26, 2017
Will
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Sep 26, 2017
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Cable adapter, the power supply is auto switching 110v - 220v
Sep 26, 2017
FlavorTown
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Sep 26, 2017
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Did you end up fixing your issue?
Sep 26, 2017
virajh
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Sep 26, 2017
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Actually 16:10 is a really good screen ratio for office work. I used to have two Dell 16:10s at my previous place and I absolutely loved them. The amount of vertical screen space does matter. Just my $0.02.
Sep 26, 2017
KamiCAT
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Sep 27, 2017
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what is the Height of this monitor? with and without the stander?
Sep 27, 2017
snailzrus
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Sep 27, 2017
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Doing some math based on the 21:9 aspect ratio and the 35" diagonal screen size, the display is about 13.8" tall so likely about 14"-14.2" with the bezel.
Sep 27, 2017
Will
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Sep 27, 2017
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Hey there, best I can find is a measurement from this page: https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/2b8a9c1
This monitor uses the same panel as the Vast, and it's NTSC coverage is ~72%
Sep 27, 2017
icecream345345
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Sep 28, 2017
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Thank you, also if it uses the AOC controller and not the Acer Z35 controller it means it won't overclock to 120hz... anyway we can get that confirmed? Should be easy if you have a test monitor on hand - Nvidia graphics settings - and overclock there within two clicks should be easy enough, try 110hz and 120hz :D
Sep 28, 2017
Will
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Sep 28, 2017
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Send me a link to a guide and I'll give it a go when I'm back at the office tomorrow.
Sep 28, 2017
icecream345345
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Sep 28, 2017
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https://youtu.be/FuQwcDFdI_k?t=12s I made a video showing you how, its only about 40 seconds long.
Sep 28, 2017
brometheus
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Sep 28, 2017
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AU OPTICS has one of the shittiest quality controls in the business. Their 27" 2560x1440 is almost impossible to get without dirt laminated into the layers. Why should their 3440x1440 be any better?
By they way, almost every Samsung monitor uses VA, its not that special at all.
Also the real response time of VA-panels is pretty bad. Usually about 20ms, overdrive can reduce that a bit, but in reality you get nowhere near a TN-panel.
Sep 28, 2017
BagelBytes
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Sep 28, 2017
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Might want to update your knowledge of VA panels. The days when new VA panels were 20ms are gone. For these ultrawides they usually sit at around 8ms with overdrive reducing that to ~4ms. It's true that it's still nowhere near a TN panel, but ghosting or smearing is much harder to notice than it used to be. Of course, there are people still super sensitive to even the slight ghosting the newer VA panels have. I notice a bit of inverse ghosting with my VA panel with overdrive on sometimes, but only for text and it doesn't really bother me.
Sep 28, 2017
Will
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Sep 28, 2017
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Hey, thanks for the video! I tried setting it to 110hz and 120hz. Both worked, in that the settings saved, images displayed on the screen, and the UFO test confirmed the refresh rates.
I tried gaming and doing a variety of other visually intense tasks and the 110hz setting worked like a champ. At 120hz, the monitor would randomly cut to black and return a couple moments later. Strangely, this cut-to-black never happened while in a game, only while browsing the control panel and general browsing.
Overall, I think we can confidently say this overclocks to 110hz without issue, and games at 120hz without issue, but that cut-to-black makes 120hz pretty much useless.
Sep 28, 2017
NuclearLemons
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Sep 29, 2017
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thanks for attaching the link to the panel type, it has answered a lot of questions for me! Its only when looking at the g-sync version do you get a good idea of how much this usually costs. Was it just the implementation of freesync that brought the costs down $350 or were other cuts made elsewhere?
Sep 29, 2017
icecream345345
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Sep 29, 2017
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Sounds good, and every panel will be different, some will do 120hz like a champ, 99% of them will do 110hz just fine though it sounds like. Thanks!
Sep 29, 2017
kokin
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Sep 29, 2017
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Could you post a photo (not screenshot) of the UFO test at 110Hz/120Hz? If you can set your shutter speed on your camera or phone to 1/8 sec, it should show a line of continuous gray squares. Much appreciated!
Sep 29, 2017
stupidusernamecheck
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Oct 1, 2017
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Hi, sort of. removed the vsync and then also instead of fullscreen I selected full resolution and borderless, amazingly that not only improved the fps but also tearing. fullscreen mode - very obvious tearing, borderless - no tearing, that is the oddest thing thanks
Oct 1, 2017
aptivaboy
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Oct 2, 2017
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Has there been any updates to the prior posters' questions about returns? How would one go about it if the monitor is DOA, for example? Who would have to pay for shipping? Warranties? I've been looking bu so far not seen anything.
I'm in the market for a wide monitor, at least 32 inches. The current finalists are form HP and LG. LG seems to have the better refresh rates and more robust stands and adjustability, while HP seems to have superior color reproduction, plus free shipping and airline miles if I buy through them. However, I'm also very interested in this drop. For this drop's monitor to edge out either the HP or LG monitors, I'd need to know the answers to the questions above.
Many thanks!
Bob
Oct 2, 2017
Will
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Oct 2, 2017
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Hey Bob,
Massdrop handles the warranty and covers associated shipping. If you had a DOA unit, you'd contact support via your "My Transactions" page, our team would verify the issue and begin the RMA process (we give you a shipping label, etc).
Oct 2, 2017
67Eleanor
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Oct 2, 2017
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So would this mean that if this product comes damaged on Jan 18th in my mail, I can get a replacement? having the appropriate documentation and transaction reciept on hand of course? thanks Will
Oct 2, 2017
Will
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Oct 2, 2017
67Eleanor
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Oct 2, 2017
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ok sweet, thanks Will.
Oct 2, 2017
aptivaboy
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Oct 4, 2017
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Not cool. Expressing your opinions is fine but that's ridiculous. I haven't made my mind up on this monitor yet, but calling it sh*t isn't the way to convince anyone that your position is the correct one.
Oct 4, 2017
lamedrop123
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Oct 4, 2017
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Please buy one and lets compare. or spend a tad bit more on a great monitor.
Don't be stupid-cheap.
Oct 4, 2017
Will
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Oct 4, 2017
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Hey, can you link the specific variation of the UFO test you're referencing? I asked our photographer to help out because my phone doesn't do 1/8th (and even then, you'd want a tripod because it's so long), but I'm not sure what gray squares you're talking about?
Oct 4, 2017
aptivaboy
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Oct 4, 2017
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And, don't be a jerk. Don't say, " This guys is full of shit;" horrible grammar, by the way, is not calculated to make people agree with you. It just makes you sound uneducated and ignorant. You just insulted someone (Will) whom I'm betting you don't even know. If you're so sure that the monitor is crap, why? Share your immense knowledge of "monitor-ese" with us. Like I said, I haven't decided on buying one yet, and LG and HP are still in the running. I just object to the use of profanity on a thread that I started. Take the potty mouth someplace else, please. By the way, I note that your bio states, "Massdrop is full of hipster-scamming-hipsters. Anyone with half a brain can do better deals." If you feel that way about Massdrop, then please go in peace and likewise leave the rest of us in peace.
Oct 4, 2017
JackofTrades
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Oct 5, 2017
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Psst Dude, he's just a troll, don't waste your breathe and time on him. That's what they want. The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them; not sink to their level. He's just baiting you. No one listen to people like them so don't respond. His username says it all.
Oct 5, 2017
kokin
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Oct 5, 2017
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Thanks for getting back to me Will. It is the Frameskipping test found on: https://www.testufo.com/#test=frameskipping
If the monitor can actually overclock to 110-120hz, all the gray boxes should line up without any breaks in the line. Please see my example below:
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Oct 5, 2017
Prapperd
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Oct 5, 2017
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That's assuming competitive gaming. I have a 144hz gsync simply because screen tearing bothers me much more than a slight input delay. I can handle loosing a match because my aim was off (it normally is), I can't handle small frame stutters that cause lines across the screen or worse, dropped/missed frames. generally to me vsync on or off is very much worse either way than gsync on. I've also used freesync on a friends setup, fixes all the issues the same, just less expensive and nvidia wouldn't dare make their gpus compatible with freesync/vesa adaptive sync (the tech gsync and freesync are built on) because profits. what good is the fps in a non-comp game if your eyes are constantly being distracted by tears (vsync off) or bad frame pacing/frame dropping when below vsync target on a game you're trying to max out (vsync on)? gsync/freesync solve that, and you can turn it off if you don't want it at the time. another point on freesync monitors, if you have an nvidia gpu, you can still benefit from freesync, just not in the way you want. freesync monitors are much more stable at odd hz values, and have no issues letting you set the refresh rate to anything that is between the min-max range of freesync they support (odd values like 44hz, 38hz, 82hz, as long as it's inside the freesync sync range, typically 20, 25 or 30hz upwards to the max refresh rate ). this can be very handy for nailing down the framerate you can hold for vsync, be it under or over 60. edit: now that freesync is supported by nvidia, the main thing you need to look for in a freesync monitor is the freesync range. something with a 48-75hz freesync range will not work well, you'll want about 2.4x the min for the max freesync range for it to work well as gsync compatible. so 60-144 is the minimum you should shoot for, anything that's 60-120 or lower will have some flickering issues.
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Oct 5, 2017
JustFluxz
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Oct 6, 2017
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Is there any kind of ghosting and smearing?
Oct 6, 2017
Skunkboi
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Oct 7, 2017
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shipping to Australia is USD $170. Damn that is quite a turnoff.
Oct 7, 2017
MrP627
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Oct 8, 2017
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How much is the shipping to the Philippines? Since it is a VA and not an IPS panel how is the viewing angle? Would you know at what point color degradation starts?
Oct 8, 2017
Stephen87
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Oct 9, 2017
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My biggest concern is the 2ms response time, I am sold on this monitor if you can provide whether there is any overshoot or slow response times other than g2g with the overdrive on, similar to what happens to all over VA panels. Also, what is the response time of the panel without overdrive? The fact it is not listed concerns me greatly.
Oct 9, 2017
lamedrop123
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Oct 10, 2017
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horrible grammar, > I'd be upset by you nagging my grammer but I'm not from the UK or US.
It just makes you sound uneducated and ignorant. > I'd like to believe many people here are so full of themselves they'd buy a block of wood as long as it's on massdrop. "Hey look at this great deal".
If you're so sure that the monitor is crap, why? > I replied on another comment chain. I've had 2 34" monitors already. I've got a job where I sit in front of many high end monitors all day. Horrible idea to buy a 34" korea monitor off of massdrop when newer cheaper panels are due from LG, Samsung, Acer..... Where I'm at you can get a decent 34" with in-store guarantees for 100 Dollar more. 100hz on a korea monitor means NOTHING - like with the new 34" VA panels from Samsung, LG etc - they're 100hz but the ghosting makes it look worse than old budget monitors. It's massdrop, you wait for half a year and will miss any deals (assuming you buy this to cheap out - and pray it's half good). Now I'm not going to google datasheets and provide numbers, statistics, or any of that. If it looks good, feels good and makes me feel good - It's good. I've never seen; in comparison to a real high end monitor with similar specs - a cheap alternative that fits the bill - DESPITE having all the right numbers on paper.
I just object to the use of profanity on a thread that I started. > Enlighten me, I was born and raised with the word shit describing something iffy. This is.
I'm not saying YOU as a person is stupid, maybe I did. I'm saying this monitor is stupid. Anyone who has friends in sales can attest to mr Wills' will to have his, and only his will through, and no other will do. Enjoy my grammar I bet it hurts people on here physically.
I'm not a troll. I'm a person. I don't write this to upset any of you. I'm trying to reach out to you so you can do the better choice.
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Oct 10, 2017