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TheGame21x
100
Jun 4, 2018
I want this. I want this right now. Between this and the CTH and the THX AAA 789, it won't be long until my entire audio setup has a Massdrop logo on it somewhere. :D
Jimster480
395
Jun 4, 2018
TheGame21xSo you will hold back the THX AAA789 by using an inferior DAC tech like R2R.... makes sense!
PopZeus
386
Jun 4, 2018
Jimster480Terms like inferior and superior make little sense here. The value of the tech is ultimately a subjective determination.
Jimster480
395
Jun 4, 2018
PopZeusIts not, audio equipment has objective testing... check out audiosciencereview. There is sound that goes into science.
TheGame21x
100
Jun 4, 2018
Jimster480I have a Topping D50 too, for when I want to listen to a DAC that measures very well. I know it may not seem this way but it's very possible to enjoy equipment that doesn't measure as cleanly as [INSERT WELL MEASURING SOURCE HERE]. :D
MarcSpence
180
Jun 4, 2018
Jimster480Coming from the guy who is recommending a topping dac....
MarcSpence
180
Jun 4, 2018
Jimster480This is a subjective hobby and everyone has different hearing preferences and different amps and cans
PopZeus
386
Jun 4, 2018
Jimster480"Superior", "inferior", "better", "worse". These are all subjective assessments that hold no inherent empirical information. I think my R2R DAC sounds "superior" to my previous delta-sigma DAC. You can't prove me wrong because you don't have my ears. Words like "bit-accurate", or "bit-perfect" would be appropriately empirical terms but even they fail to describe, fully, the sound of digital music converted for analog reproduction. Ultimately, I know I d rather listen to my R2R DAC all day. Not anywhere near the case with my other "objectively better" DACs.
Self-proclaimed audio objectivists lose the argument before they even begin when they throw around terms like "superior" or "better".
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
MarcSpenceConsidering that audiosciencereview actually does scientific testing on audio hardware... and considering that Topping products are among some of the highest scoring stuff there. Yes, recommending objectively amazing DAC's should never be considered a bad thing. Especially when people are recommending garbage from companies like Schiit that literally make products that sound worse than onboard sound cards.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
PopZeusObjectivity is the only measurement. Subjectivity isn't a measurement, its stupidity. Its like idiots who buy BMW's because they saw a commercial that said it was fast.... therefore they think its fast even though objectively its slow. And then you are going around saying that when you drive your car its faster even though its not any faster.... yes subjectivity = pure stupidity. You can LIKE a certain sound and that is completely your choice and upto you. Although to RECOMMEND something based on what YOU LIKE is completely invalid. And considering that sound is a scientific thing... scientific testing showing that one thing is better than another thing.... well that is the actual metric of what is better. Not what you THINK is better. This is why audio subjectivity have no place at all in the world, most subjectivity from large "review sites" is based on the metric of "advertising dollars". And most ABX testing shows subjectivitsts not being able to pick their "favorite awesome better than everything else DAC/Amp" from a $25 sound card, just because they cannot see it.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
MarcSpenceYou can have different hearing preferences and this is why you purchase headphones that sound different based on the music you like and how you like your music to sound. Purchasing inferior reproduction equipment and claiming it sounds better because the sound is distorted is just pointless. It makes sense to have objectively the best Amp/DAC you can afford and then adjust the sound using EQ/DSP and/or headphones that fit your tastes.
luckybaer
100
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480"Sound worse," or measure worse?
PopZeus
386
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480Resorting to calling people stupid. Ookay...
I'm sorry you can't just let people like what they like. But coming into a thread for a product you obviously have no interest in owning, in order to talk down or flat-out insult people who are excited, looks bad on you, man. First of all, you're not convincing anyone. In the contest of you vs my own ears as to which one I trust more? My ears win 100.00% of the time. Secondly, why stop with us? You should go into vinyl appreciation thread and insult them too. See, that just sounds petty, which is why I'm on the side of letting people enjoy what they want.
You should really just try letting people like what they like. Better yet, you should spend more time liking things instead of not liking other people's likes. The world would be a much happier place. I'm glad you love the D50. You should go hang out there where others agree with you.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
PopZeusSounds just like you are trolled and going on a rant now. Because you probably went to check out the website I mentioned and realize that you are wrong in every way. I can understand that being incorrect is frustrating. But I just think that everyone should have a duty to spread their correct information around so that products that take advantage of people not understanding how things work would not be able to exist anymore.
Jimster480Audiosciencereview is a rolling bunfight of deafness, and the guy behind it has been shown not to understand the expensive equipment that he's using. Quoting it as a reference will not gain you any credibility on the internet.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
RockyMountainsSo wait... And actual EE with 20+ years of experience in the industry doesn't know anything becuase some subjective Schiit fan boy said otherwise? I don't see any other brands other than the biggest scammers in the scene (Schiit) having a problem with his work. Infact some brands have listed his measurements as references to the quality of their products...
Jimster480You are using a form of argument called the "appeal to authority" which only works when both parties agree on what is a reliable authority in the first place. People don't agree that Amir understands measurements, including other engineers.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
RockyMountainsThe only "people" who don't agree are Schiit fan boys and marketing spokespeople. which is ironic since they have the worst measuring gear. But i guess when the teardowns of their gear also reveal poor choices of components and bad board designs and shoddy solder work... That somehow coincides with their terrible measurements.... Well that's becuase amir doesn't know what he's doing right? Lol!
Jimster480Possibly also people who don't find Topping DACs to be very good. Of which there are a lot of people.
You seem to be very emotionally invested in this. Why is that?
TheGame21x
100
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480Why does it matter so much what other people are buying/enjoying? Now I already know the reaction I'm going to get but I bought a Schiit Modi Multibit. Got swept right up in the hype back around the time it was announced and bought one. Obviously, this was long before Amir reviewed the Yggdrasil or the Bifrost Multibit but when the Bifrost MB measurements came out, sure, I was disappointed, knowing the Modi MB's performance was likely a near mirror of the Bifrost, but I still enjoy listening to it, even after I got the supposedly near-perfect measuring Topping D50, which I also enjoy quite a bit.
You say subjectivity doesn't matter and is "stupid". Well I say I can't listen to graphs. I care about objective measurements and I want to have "objectively good" gear (Hello THX AAA 789 and Topping D50 and JDS Labs OL DAC) but i also appreciate equipment that doesn't measure as well, which is why I've kept my Modi MB and I have a Bottlehead Crack + Speedball on order, which I don't think would measure so well objectively speaking, but its sound with the HD 650 is apparently the stuff of legends and that's why I bought it. Subjectivity isn't stupid. It's the reason we enjoy music to begin with.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
Marvey.PurrinSbaf? A pirate retard site that is filled with raging Schiit fan boys... Some of which who are on Schiit payroll? Literally nothing from there can ever be trusted.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
TheGame21xWell idk what kind of ears you have, but the first time I got my modi multibit I listened to it and it sounded like utter trash. I had the D30 and A30 already and it just lost literally half the details. I tested it against everything in my house, even my Xps 13 headphone jack and it lost so many details I thought it was broken. I had it replaced by Schiit (cost me money again) and then the new one was identical.... Even tried this mythic burnin crap and left it playing for a whole week in the other room. Still sounded like crap, at which time I started being rediculed by Schiit fan boys and the owners of the company themselves as they told me that I had bad power in my house, bad computer systems, bad USB drivers and boards and noisy power supplies.
With such a disgusting company and culture, the only place those scammers deserve to be is jail.
They are so pathetic and low that when I told them I would have an audio meet and rent an analyzer to test other Schiit gear.... They literally resurrected 2 old school headfiers who hadn't been around in years to come try to take our meet over, cause drama in our thread and try to discredit me as a meet holder trying to say I couldn't be trusted. When that didnt work they closed our meet threads on headfi and banned me from posting anything on the forum.
So yes when I say subjectivity is stupid.... It's literally a scam that is furthered by those who are paid by audio companies.
zbells
234
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480Wow that's a pretty damning story. Gotta say I don't love Schiit's holier than thou snarkyness, but I always thought they had good products. I wish more of the industry was built around blind testing and less around inaudible measurements and brand loyalty.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
zbellsI agree. It's just unfortunate that the idea of blind testing is Castaway by many audio companies and that subjectivity through marketing dollars is what the standard is today. That's why I try to go through objectivity at least when it comes to a DAC. tubes don't measure as well but they have their places too becuase some people like their sounds. Although there are some insanely expensive tube amplifiers that are trying to be objective or reference class amplifiers we're basically a $10,000 tube amplifier cannot stand up to a $100 solid state.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
RockyMountainsBecuase people who are slinging trash gear deserve no place in the community. who doesn't like topping gear and has actually heard it? Because if you look in any Thread about any of their products on literally any Forum outside of a couple people having technical issues there has not been a single person who said that any of their products do not sound good or lose details.
The only site you can actually find people just literally talkin trash is of course superbestaudiofriends which is a tyrannical Forum filled with zealots that are on the payroll of a major Audio company named Schiit.
zbells
234
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480I would say even measurements are often incredibly misleading and meaningless. Give me Youtube or honest reviews of people blind testing DACs and Amps. Everyone's ears are different and people like different qualities in equipment, so I'd much prefer that type of subjectivity (the kind centered around the sound) than other types of subjective bias. That isn't to say the reviewers are malicious or anything, they're all likely far more knowledgeable than I am and sincerely love audio, but that doesn't mean people don't have subconscious biases.
MarcSpence
180
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480you do know u are trolling this site? Your antics are entertaining to say the least.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
zbellswhat I am telling you is that when it comes to a DAC... There is no subjectivity that should exist, you would always want the cleanest possible output. After that then you can adjust the music to your tastes. Most of the audio reviews on YouTube are of people who know nothing about music and just listen to a device and say "yea it's good". real ABX testing would be the actual value to show if there was a difference.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
MarcSpenceSpreading the truth is not trolling. Just because you may not like the truth does not make me a troll.
zbells
234
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster48099% of these measurements are below the threshold of what you can hear. Why would you even want a multibit DAC if no subjectivity existed since Delta-Sigma DACs are "cleaner" (measurements are not everything). Do a blind test and if you can't tell the difference, go for the cheaper/better looking one, right? Not the one that sounds better to a pair of robot ears.
MarcSpence
180
Jun 5, 2018
zbellsWell said.. add that the quality of parts and build quality matter too. Part of this hobby is aesthetic. I call my handmade gear “functional art” lol
Luge
7
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480Just because you think you know the truth does not mean you are right.
Well, enjoy yourself insulting other people and spreading the alleged truth, your majesty Crusader of Amirm.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
zbellsNot even close to 99%... especially when it came to Schiit products the margins were well within audible ranges. Maybe the difference between a D30 and a DX7 are negligible, although it depends on which input you are using on the D30 as one netted 15b accuracy and the other 19b (iirc). If the DAC cannot even resolve 16 bits correctly, then it will surely have a difference in how it sounds vs another product.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
LugeSorry but Objective measurements are objective, just because you choose to not believe in them and continue to follow your cult of Schiit doesn't make anyone else wrong but you. The facts are out there that Schiit and HeadFi work together to cover up the fallacies of their products and forums like SBAF are literally directly owned by Schiit. By controlling a market the way that Schiit is, and taking advantage of people who do not know any better doesn't mean they have good products.
Jotunn
87
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480We appreciate your trying to make your case, but you're not persuading anyone. You're conflating accuracy with "better" by using objective measurements, but by definition, "better" is a function of subjectivity. You can say your D50 is more precise or more accurate, but as soon as you say it's better, you're dipping into subjective territory, which by your own admission is "stupidity," completely undermining your own argument. You can argue that greater accuracy is better, but again that's your subjective view since a significant proportion of members of this community spend their money on what sounds pleasing, not necessarily on the most accurate reproduction. For consistency's sake, steer clear from preaching to everyone about what is better, and stick to recommending what is more accurate, and you'll receive less negative feedback.
Zbell
11
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480Double blind test it in a YouTube video and I'll take your claims more seriously 😛
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
ZbellDouble blind what? The Schiit products will be easy to pick out in any quiet test since the USB implementation isn't even proper and it has pops/cracks on low volume tracks.
Jimster480
395
Jun 5, 2018
JotunnWell more accurate reproduction from a DAC is objectively better... If subjectively you like your music to sound like trash.... then why would you spend any money on a device? You can use line out from your sound card or integrated audio? Otherwise a DAC's output should always be the cleanest and then you can subjectively adjust your music the way you like with DSP/EQ/Headphones/Amp.
Jotunn
87
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480Ok... If I subjectively like my music to sound like trash, then conversely, and by necessity, you subjectively like your music to sound like non-trash. Do you see the logic? My point is by arguing what is better, you necessarily introduce subjectivity into the conversation. Sorry, that's just logic as applied to language. You don't get to argue that I subjectively like trash, and you by extension objectively like non-trash. You're jumping planes here. Furthermore if someone likes their music colored a certain way and a DAC does that for them, why wouldn't they spend their money on that "inferior" (and probably less expensive) DAC rather than buying the more accurate (and probably more expensive) DAC just to EQ it? That's like buying a $200 kobe beef steak because it's "better" then smothering it with A1 sauce because it's what that person likes. The same can be said of sound.
TL;DR: accuracy is accuracy, and better has less to do with that than you think.
Luge
7
Jun 5, 2018
Jimster480Please, present any evidence of the "facts" you have stated.
Also, do you personally understand the measurements you use as arguments here? Are you personally sure that the measurements you believe in are representative, done right, set up right and relevant? Or do you just blindly trust the originator of those measurements?
Also, what is "good measuring" product? Please read (for example) through this and then come back to discuss the implications: https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/katzs-corner-episode-25-adventures-distortion
Jimster480
395
Jun 6, 2018
LugeYes, I spent a few months researching measurements and how to do them and their significance because before I even found audiosciencereview I was planning on saving up to get an analyzer to do exactly what Amir is doing today. Since I searched around and only found useless sites like SBAF filled with fake information and rabid dogs.
If you even check into the measurements from Amir vs AtomicBob (who actually doesn't know what hes doing, due to his automated scripts and his clipping of graphs) the data that AtomicBob gets on Schiit products is very similar to that of the data that Amir gets... Just AtomicBob clips the graph where the worst offenses are and calls the products "great" even though other products that he measures he calls "okay" or "poor" or simply makes no comment.
This type of subjective bias shows that his measurements (or rather his analysis thereof) are not to be trusted due to inherit bias.
Jimster480
395
Jun 6, 2018
JotunnThe funniest thing is that the most expensive products, often sound the worst and measure the worst. Because the entire business model is based on conditioning potential customers to their scam. The fact is that there are many 10k+ DAC's that don't have any measurements or even real published specs because they weren't even built with an analyzer.... they are just some components that someone soldered together and put into a nice box and started marketing. This is why objective testing is necessary... I tested a 10k+ Pinnacle Tube amp that my friends got into the "auditioning" for.... it had a "large soundstage" which within 10 minutes of my testing, I determined was just due to high frequency rolloff that sounded fine in some songs, but sounded atrocious in any trance music which most of the time doesn't have a "soundstage" and the higher frequency tones were just too recessed/quiet, ruining many songs.
What I am trying to explain is that a $25 sound card, objectively measures better than many of these boutique products that are driven entirely by marketing. Effectively scamming people out of their money as you are claiming "ultra clear sound with deep rich tones" and you are actually delivering sound which is worse than that of a product costing 1/10th the price. Just like how a Modi Multibit is 2.5x the cost of a D30 which destroys it in every way.... and yet if you like to listen to your music without details, you can simply grab some 56kbps MP3's and play them on the Topping! No need to spend extra money to take high fidelity music and make the output worse than that of motherboard audio!
This in a nutshell is what I am trying to explain here. People are fine to like what they like, and I'm sure some people take nice steak and smother it with A1 until it tastes the same as any $3 steak tastes like with the same amount of sauce and that is their prerogative to waste their money as such. But it won't change the fact that the more expensive nicer cut of steak is a "better" steak in every sense of the word.
I understand what you are trying to say here in that "better" is a subjective word, but the unfortunate part of the audio world is that most people are stuck with inferior products and don't want to admit it due to pride.
Jimster480This thread has turned into a giant hairball of crazy.
Jimster480
395
Jun 6, 2018
RockyMountainsI mean sharing real information about products and the state of the audio scene isn't "crazy". If you cannot handle this thread, then just leave it.
Jimster480I mean getting really wound up and unable to accept that other people might have valid views, rather than you being the sole custodian of truth. Or in this case, not you, but the self indulgent guy with an agenda behind ASR. Because you're just playing the role of evangelistic disciple, you don't appear to be an an EE with relevant experience, or an audio designer.
If we wanted to know what the frothing echo-chamber of ASR had to say, we'd just go there. I've already been there, and decided it was too much like Reddit.
If you cannot handle people disagreeing with you, then perhaps you should stop playing evangelist with "teh realz" and ramming ASR regurgitoria down our throats.
TheGame21x
100
Jun 6, 2018
Jimster480"Just like how a Modi Multibit is 2.5x the cost of a D30 which destroys it in every way.... and yet if you like to listen to your music without details, you can simply grab some 56kbps MP3's and play them on the Topping! No need to spend extra money to take high fidelity music and make the output worse than that of motherboard audio!"
Okay, the hyperbole here is ridiculous. The Modi MB does not sound half as good as the D30, nor does it sound half as good as the D50, which I've compared it to. But whatever. You like what you like and others like what they like. Believe what you want about R2R/Multibit but despite the fact that it doesn't measure as well as DS, I still enjoy it, and I'm sure I'll enjoy this DAC too. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks about my listening habits or equipment choices, much less what I do with my hard-earned cash. Enjoy your gear. I thoroughly enjoy mine.
Jimster480
395
Jun 6, 2018
TheGame21xMake no mistake, Modi Multibit isn't even R2R. Its actually a medical DA converter being improperly used for audio. It has 0 crossing deficiencies like most R2R not designed for audio because audio has negatives which other DA applications don't have. The R2R in a device like the one we are commenting on is very superior to any schiit design and rivals DS but for a much higher cost and power usage.
Jimster480
395
Jun 6, 2018
RockyMountainsYou are the one who seems to be very wound up. The reality is that I am offering real info here to people and you are just spewing the same nonsense available at every other audio site on the planet. After you have lost any argument you have, you are just resorting to personal attacks and attempting to derail the conversation.
PopZeus
386
Jun 6, 2018
RockyMountainsThat's just it. Most of the audiophile community shares their personal experiences, with the assumption being that if you agree on past stuff, then the current or upcoming stuff will probably align as well. It's a fine arrangement. It's pretty friendly and non-pushy, unlike most of the internet!
There's a small subset of the community that acts like they know better than you, end of story. Now, of course there's validity to the science but that only tells part of the story for most of us. For this guy who thinks everyone should own only a D50; for others who insist HD is pointless and 16-44.1 is all anyone needs. I get it. I do. But we're allowed to move on because, ultimately, the only ones any of us have to answer to are our own frickin ears. And all of our ears have lived different lives, they're differently shaped and resonate at different frequencies.
Marvey.Purrin
214
Jun 6, 2018
RockyMountainsPretty much. Don't feed the crazy.
Gritoit
40
Jun 6, 2018
LugeThat was an interesting read. Thanks for sharing. It would be interesting to do a blind test with multiple people and see if they notice the same results of the added distortion.
Jimster480Again, why are you the only one who can possibly understand what the "real info" is? What is your background in electrical or at least acoustic engineering that allows you to state that you understand the underlying design principles of these devices? Or are you instead relying on someone else to tell you what to think?
And secondly, why does being able to claim to be guardian of this audio truth matter so much to your sense of identity?
And lastly, the reflex answer of "I'm not mad, you're mad!" is something that I'd expect of a ten year old, not an adult.
Jimster480
395
Jun 6, 2018
RockyMountainsI'm confused by your repeated attempt at discrediting me. Amir being an EE doesn't seem to matter to you, but now I need to be one in order to read graphs? How can you accept the word of a Schiit Zealot like AtomicBob when he has literally no background whatsoever? Is it just because what idiots on fansites like SBAF write agree with what you have been conditioned to believe that there is no need for verification? Because it seems that this feeble last attempt at defending your precious products is your only argument. That and some pointless personal attacks about some "guardian" nonsense...
Jimster480 I'm confused by your repeated attempt at discrediting me.
You've done a thoroughly good job of that yourself by now. It's been hilarious watching the ASR fanboy frothing at the mouth accusing everyone else of being Schiit fanboys. And completely missing the irony. This thread has run its course, but keep up the good fight!
Jimster480
395
Jun 7, 2018
RockyMountainsIt took a whole 18 hours for you to literally say the same thing as your previous post? I'm no fanboy of ASR, I am a fan of the truth and objectivity. Don't confuse the two.
Jimster480You're an ASR fanboy- you're consistently parroting their groupthink with regards to Schiit, Topping, Amir's credentials, and measurements. It's easily recognisable.
And newsflash, looks like your messiah has been caught out and thoroughly discredited again (this time by the guy who runs Head-Fi). This time your source of truth and objectivity has been publishing faulty measurements of the Yggdrasil (plain wrong + distorted Y axis) and also neglecting to show the balanced measurements of a balanced DAC. Why would someone choose only to show the SE measurements of a product that is sold as balanced? He did take the balanced measurements too, as he slips up with one graph which mentions balanced.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/schiit-yggdrasil-impressions-thread.766347/page-558#post-14289631
The ASR Yggdrasil measurements have now been shown from multiple sources to be factually incorrect. Either through incompetence or malice. You choose. Or choose both.
Jimster480
395
Jun 8, 2018
RockyMountainsAnother day goes by and here you are spewing more nonsense.... Schiit is frantically trying to keep their brand from falling apart now that they have been exposed as scammers. AFAIK you are just another paid Schiit shill just like Jude from HeadFi. Myself and others were banned from that forum for even suggesting that Schiit might have faulty products or design flaws. Infact even recommending non-Schiit products is a reason to have your posts deleted/modified.
PopZeus
386
Jun 8, 2018
Marvey.PurrinI was very briefly kinda feeling bad for this guy but that stopped pretty quickly. He sees a conspiracy everywhere people disagree with him, without a hint of evidence, and declared victory on me by telling me I must have gone to his precious ASR site and got schooled even though I've ignored his advice with a shrug and did nothing of what he proclaimed. This ability to self-delude. He's proven to be an unreliable narrator in this thread and that calls into question his version of all past events he's described.
Jimster480
395
Jun 11, 2018
PopZeusNot sure where I "claimed victory" over anyone. After all I am just here sharing information, not fighting anyone. The reality is that people in the industry are getting scammed left and right every day, and sites like HeadFi and SBAF are controlled by Schiit in order to further their scam. The name of the company is just them rubbing everyone's face in it.
Jimster480
395
Jun 11, 2018
Marvey.PurrinThats an SBAF link, since that is a Schiit zealot site which is literally owned by Schiit any results posted on that site are automatically bias and invalid.
Jimster480
395
Jun 11, 2018
Marvey.PurrinI checked out your measurements, you have no description of your audio analysis gear. Your graphs are not from an AP analyzer and therefore are not precision calibrated. Your graph also has a different scale which makes the results look better than they actually are.
Looks like you are just another zealot furthering the Schiit scam cause.
RockyMountains
478
Jun 12, 2018
Jimster480Are you the same Jimster480 on ASR who claims that the owner of Schiit can access Jude/Head-Fi's global admin account?
Jimster480: I couldn't find other evidence of it at the time so I never even suggested such a thing but now that this comes out... it looks as if Jason possibly has access to Jude's headfi account. Which wouldn't be surprising considering that Schiit also owns SBAF in a similar way.
Do you realize how crazy this conspiracy theory stuff comes across to other people? This is exactly why wacky ASR groupthink should stay on ASR. It looks like unhinged lunacy in the light of day. From the above, and from how you are conducting yourself on this thread, I can see why you might have been banned from Head-Fi. And it's got nothing to do with the audio company called Schiit.
Jimster480
395
Jun 12, 2018
RockyMountainsIts actually likely the truth, you really don't understand the massive amount of cash that these guys are making from this insane corruption. The lack of transparancy, the inconsistency of responses and the childish manner of which information has unfolded in the last year especially shows that there is foul play going on in regards to Schiits hand in the proverbial pot so to speak. From how I was treated by administrators when I asked them direct and honest questions to how I was discredited when I didn't even claim any "credit" in the first place....
Whether Jason has control of Jude's account or not, his childish rage and inconsistency in dealing with anything related to schiit tells me and many others around the net (there are several posts on chinese forums discussing schiit and corruption on HeadFi aswell as SBAF) that they are controlling the scenario via those two forums and building an army of fan's through manipulation of information.
RockyMountains
478
Jun 12, 2018
Jimster480Yes, we've been through the whole 'truth' thing and how only you can recognize the truth which flows from your Messiah Amir.
Jimster480 : "Its actually likely the truth, you really don't understand the massive amount of cash that these guys are making from this insane corruption. The lack of transparancy, the inconsistency of responses and the childish manner of which information has unfolded in the last year especially shows that there is foul play going on in regards to Schiits hand in the proverbial pot so to speak. From how I was treated by administrators when I asked them direct and honest questions to how I was discredited when I didn't even claim any "credit" in the first place.... Whether Jason has control of Jude's account or not, his childish rage and inconsistency in dealing with anything related to schiit tells me and many others around the net (there are several posts on chinese forums discussing schiit and corruption on HeadFi aswell as SBAF) that they are controlling the scenario via those two forums and building an army of fan's through manipulation of information."
So it's Jude has the childish rage issues? All the other websites or companies are building an army of angry fans built up around misinformation? Too much irony in this thread, keep magnets away.
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