What would be a good portable Dac/Amp to use with my HD6xx and Sony Xperia 1 V cell phone?
I am new to this hobby. I purchased a HD6XX and plan to use it with my Sony Xperia 1 V cell phone, that has a 3.5mm jack. I was wondering if I needed a portable dac/amp or just a portable amp and if so what would one recommend? Any assistance one could provide, would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Haz
Mar 7, 2024
Self-proclaimed audio objectivists lose the argument before they even begin when they throw around terms like "superior" or "better".
I'm sorry you can't just let people like what they like. But coming into a thread for a product you obviously have no interest in owning, in order to talk down or flat-out insult people who are excited, looks bad on you, man. First of all, you're not convincing anyone. In the contest of you vs my own ears as to which one I trust more? My ears win 100.00% of the time. Secondly, why stop with us? You should go into vinyl appreciation thread and insult them too. See, that just sounds petty, which is why I'm on the side of letting people enjoy what they want.
You should really just try letting people like what they like. Better yet, you should spend more time liking things instead of not liking other people's likes. The world would be a much happier place. I'm glad you love the D50. You should go hang out there where others agree with you.
You seem to be very emotionally invested in this. Why is that?
You say subjectivity doesn't matter and is "stupid". Well I say I can't listen to graphs. I care about objective measurements and I want to have "objectively good" gear (Hello THX AAA 789 and Topping D50 and JDS Labs OL DAC) but i also appreciate equipment that doesn't measure as well, which is why I've kept my Modi MB and I have a Bottlehead Crack + Speedball on order, which I don't think would measure so well objectively speaking, but its sound with the HD 650 is apparently the stuff of legends and that's why I bought it. Subjectivity isn't stupid. It's the reason we enjoy music to begin with.
Don't buy into Amir's BS.
With such a disgusting company and culture, the only place those scammers deserve to be is jail.
They are so pathetic and low that when I told them I would have an audio meet and rent an analyzer to test other Schiit gear.... They literally resurrected 2 old school headfiers who hadn't been around in years to come try to take our meet over, cause drama in our thread and try to discredit me as a meet holder trying to say I couldn't be trusted. When that didnt work they closed our meet threads on headfi and banned me from posting anything on the forum.
So yes when I say subjectivity is stupid.... It's literally a scam that is furthered by those who are paid by audio companies.
The only site you can actually find people just literally talkin trash is of course superbestaudiofriends which is a tyrannical Forum filled with zealots that are on the payroll of a major Audio company named Schiit.
Well, enjoy yourself insulting other people and spreading the alleged truth, your majesty Crusader of Amirm.
TL;DR: accuracy is accuracy, and better has less to do with that than you think.
Also, do you personally understand the measurements you use as arguments here? Are you personally sure that the measurements you believe in are representative, done right, set up right and relevant? Or do you just blindly trust the originator of those measurements?
Also, what is "good measuring" product? Please read (for example) through this and then come back to discuss the implications: https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/katzs-corner-episode-25-adventures-distortion
If you even check into the measurements from Amir vs AtomicBob (who actually doesn't know what hes doing, due to his automated scripts and his clipping of graphs) the data that AtomicBob gets on Schiit products is very similar to that of the data that Amir gets... Just AtomicBob clips the graph where the worst offenses are and calls the products "great" even though other products that he measures he calls "okay" or "poor" or simply makes no comment.
This type of subjective bias shows that his measurements (or rather his analysis thereof) are not to be trusted due to inherit bias.
What I am trying to explain is that a $25 sound card, objectively measures better than many of these boutique products that are driven entirely by marketing. Effectively scamming people out of their money as you are claiming "ultra clear sound with deep rich tones" and you are actually delivering sound which is worse than that of a product costing 1/10th the price. Just like how a Modi Multibit is 2.5x the cost of a D30 which destroys it in every way.... and yet if you like to listen to your music without details, you can simply grab some 56kbps MP3's and play them on the Topping! No need to spend extra money to take high fidelity music and make the output worse than that of motherboard audio!
This in a nutshell is what I am trying to explain here. People are fine to like what they like, and I'm sure some people take nice steak and smother it with A1 until it tastes the same as any $3 steak tastes like with the same amount of sauce and that is their prerogative to waste their money as such. But it won't change the fact that the more expensive nicer cut of steak is a "better" steak in every sense of the word.
I understand what you are trying to say here in that "better" is a subjective word, but the unfortunate part of the audio world is that most people are stuck with inferior products and don't want to admit it due to pride.
If we wanted to know what the frothing echo-chamber of ASR had to say, we'd just go there. I've already been there, and decided it was too much like Reddit.
If you cannot handle people disagreeing with you, then perhaps you should stop playing evangelist with "teh realz" and ramming ASR regurgitoria down our throats.
Okay, the hyperbole here is ridiculous. The Modi MB does not sound half as good as the D30, nor does it sound half as good as the D50, which I've compared it to. But whatever. You like what you like and others like what they like. Believe what you want about R2R/Multibit but despite the fact that it doesn't measure as well as DS, I still enjoy it, and I'm sure I'll enjoy this DAC too. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks about my listening habits or equipment choices, much less what I do with my hard-earned cash. Enjoy your gear. I thoroughly enjoy mine.
There's a small subset of the community that acts like they know better than you, end of story. Now, of course there's validity to the science but that only tells part of the story for most of us. For this guy who thinks everyone should own only a D50; for others who insist HD is pointless and 16-44.1 is all anyone needs. I get it. I do. But we're allowed to move on because, ultimately, the only ones any of us have to answer to are our own frickin ears. And all of our ears have lived different lives, they're differently shaped and resonate at different frequencies.
And secondly, why does being able to claim to be guardian of this audio truth matter so much to your sense of identity?
And lastly, the reflex answer of "I'm not mad, you're mad!" is something that I'd expect of a ten year old, not an adult.
You've done a thoroughly good job of that yourself by now. It's been hilarious watching the ASR fanboy frothing at the mouth accusing everyone else of being Schiit fanboys. And completely missing the irony. This thread has run its course, but keep up the good fight!
And newsflash, looks like your messiah has been caught out and thoroughly discredited again (this time by the guy who runs Head-Fi). This time your source of truth and objectivity has been publishing faulty measurements of the Yggdrasil (plain wrong + distorted Y axis) and also neglecting to show the balanced measurements of a balanced DAC. Why would someone choose only to show the SE measurements of a product that is sold as balanced? He did take the balanced measurements too, as he slips up with one graph which mentions balanced.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/schiit-yggdrasil-impressions-thread.766347/page-558#post-14289631
The ASR Yggdrasil measurements have now been shown from multiple sources to be factually incorrect. Either through incompetence or malice. You choose. Or choose both.
Looks like you are just another zealot furthering the Schiit scam cause.
Jimster480: I couldn't find other evidence of it at the time so I never even suggested such a thing but now that this comes out... it looks as if Jason possibly has access to Jude's headfi account. Which wouldn't be surprising considering that Schiit also owns SBAF in a similar way.
Do you realize how crazy this conspiracy theory stuff comes across to other people? This is exactly why wacky ASR groupthink should stay on ASR. It looks like unhinged lunacy in the light of day. From the above, and from how you are conducting yourself on this thread, I can see why you might have been banned from Head-Fi. And it's got nothing to do with the audio company called Schiit.
Whether Jason has control of Jude's account or not, his childish rage and inconsistency in dealing with anything related to schiit tells me and many others around the net (there are several posts on chinese forums discussing schiit and corruption on HeadFi aswell as SBAF) that they are controlling the scenario via those two forums and building an army of fan's through manipulation of information.
Jimster480 : "Its actually likely the truth, you really don't understand the massive amount of cash that these guys are making from this insane corruption. The lack of transparancy, the inconsistency of responses and the childish manner of which information has unfolded in the last year especially shows that there is foul play going on in regards to Schiits hand in the proverbial pot so to speak. From how I was treated by administrators when I asked them direct and honest questions to how I was discredited when I didn't even claim any "credit" in the first place.... Whether Jason has control of Jude's account or not, his childish rage and inconsistency in dealing with anything related to schiit tells me and many others around the net (there are several posts on chinese forums discussing schiit and corruption on HeadFi aswell as SBAF) that they are controlling the scenario via those two forums and building an army of fan's through manipulation of information."
So it's Jude has the childish rage issues? All the other websites or companies are building an army of angry fans built up around misinformation? Too much irony in this thread, keep magnets away.