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Trickbenda

Jun 24, 2018

I find this discussion very interesting. I’m not sure what transpired in building this dac. I do know that sometimes there are similarities either very close or near in products. It’s the norm not the oddity. How much has knives and spoons changed over your life. Doesn’t 500 million cars in our world copy off each other. Is the engine in a Chevy that much different then a Ford. Every part on most everything we use is damn near the same. I mean this is life whether it’s Beer, Chockolate or cameras. The designs of a Canon camera and a Nikon are basically the same. They all use generic designs. That’s true of most everything in life. I wish one of you people could tell me what product is not really a copy of another in many ways. Did Wrangler steal Levi’s designs? The little BMW sports car is a close design to a Miata in shape. Headphones and earphones look hauntingly similar. So did Audeze steal Sennheiser design. Basically every Cell phone is almost identical. I guess my question is, Why are you busting this products ass. It’s just one of many designed products that are similar. I guaranteed if you cracked open many receivers or speakers you would see the same as this product. A copy with a variation.

Jun 24, 2018

Jackula

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Jun 24, 2018

TrickbendaThat's the way I see it too, but most people don't realize that all products are just copies / variations of another, sometimes with the exactly identical layout - because why re-invent the wheel? One example in the audio realm is the popular O2 amp, it is a variation of someone else's design and NwAvGuy only made very small variations (i.e. battery supply) and never disclosed anything about the original source as he didn't have to. Both designs were derived from "free use" work, the only difference is sosolar called it out and made it look like MD/Airist stole his idea, but really it was just a publicity stunt to get exposure.

Jun 24, 2018

nwimpney

219

Jun 25, 2018

TrickbendaIt's because it's more than similar, it's pretty much an exact copy. The other examples you give do copy things from each others designs, but they're copying functionality, or general ways of doing things. Yes, a pair of cars from different manufacturers may both use a similar shape and layout. But they did their own design work. The engine on the BMW isn't a nearly identical clone of the Mazda.
Even the copying itself doesn't bother me so much, but the lack of attribution, and denial of any connection to the original design does.

Jun 25, 2018

RockyMountains

478

Jun 26, 2018

TrickbendaA spoon or a knife are essentially one part. And if you look at your spoons and compare them to your neighbours, you'll see different curves.
The external shape of a Nikon and Canon DSRL are similar (by no means identical, owners of either brand can identify theirs), and the internals will have parts in similar but non identical places. I mean, the lens has to be in front of the shutter and sensor, but the lens mounts are not compatible, and they screw in opposite directions.
Then you look at the DAC ladder cards, which have over 300 discrete parts on each, all laid out in precisely the same location, not a fraction of a millimetre out of line with the location on the other.

Jun 26, 2018

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