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Jotunn
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Apr 8, 2018
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Newbie here. I'm joining the Elex drop and considering this amp or the O2 (both drops end in less than 20 hours). The CTH is a dramatic price bump, and since I'm already dropping $700 on the Elex, I'm wondering if there are any suggestions out there as to whether the extra $150 for the CTH is worth it. If the difference is substantial, I'm willing to go with the CTH but if the difference is minimal I'd rather save wherever I can. Thanks in advance!
Apr 8, 2018
bYtock
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Apr 10, 2018
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The biggest difference in sound comes from your headphones ;P
Apr 10, 2018
alvarg
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Apr 24, 2018
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honestly if you are getting the elex i'd say why not go for the CTH, from what i've read the 02 is more analytical while the CTH is more musical if that helps?
Apr 24, 2018
Jotunn
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Apr 24, 2018
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Yep, I went with the CTH. Arrived last Wednesday. Still in box though because I won't get the Elex for another month (and probably still would be in box anyways if I did have them until my finals are over).
Apr 24, 2018
Jotunn
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Apr 24, 2018
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Now my issue whether to get a dedicated desktop DAC (I run a 2016 MBP with max output of 44khz through 3.5mm input). Pro-Ject DACs fit the "look" of Elex + CTH so as long as the DAC does its job I don't mind if it's not optimum. Just gotta do some more digging on Pro-Ject reviews (like I said after finals).
Apr 24, 2018
alvarg
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Apr 25, 2018
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well using the output of the macbook wouldn't be ideal as it would be amplifying the sound, you would be better off with a separate external dac
Apr 25, 2018
Jotunn
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Apr 26, 2018
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Ya I'm considering the Pro-Ject USB Box S + unless there are any others that are overwhelmingly recommended. There really is little information on it in terms of reviews but what is out there is mostly positive. https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Ject-USB-Box-black-Converter/dp/B01M59WQWO/ref=sr_1_9?srs=3039336011&ie=UTF8&qid=1524727123&sr=8-9&keywords=dac https://www.head-fi.org/threads/pro-ject-dacs.808167/
Apr 26, 2018
alvarg
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Apr 26, 2018
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32 bit 384khz is a bit overkill and from what i've read about audio playback using higher than 48khz might even be a negative, although higher bits is never going to make audio worse only better but again you hit a wall at around 24bits and I'd be amazed if anyone could determine which was 32 bit vs 24 bit in a blind test even 16 vs 24 would be close to impossible. (not to be confused with comparing different dacs) all im going to use is the sdac module from my 02+SDAC, despite what others might say, i don't think the dac will bottleneck a system until you get to $50 or under (the dac used in your computer is probably only worth $20-$50 if that) the main reason im suggesting external dac is to avoid the amplifier built into your mac. but if you really want to get it, then get it will do what you need.
Apr 26, 2018
Jotunn
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Apr 26, 2018
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The overkill was honestly my main concern. The last thing I "need" is spending $250 on something beyond it's use. Thanks this helped.
Apr 26, 2018
alvarg
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Apr 27, 2018
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fair enough, in that case what other external dacs were you considering if you need a recommendation i have a few in mind.
Apr 27, 2018
Jotunn
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Apr 27, 2018
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Ya definitely. I'll probably end up getting one eventually. Pro-Ject has a 24/96 dac but it's only $30 less than the 32/384 which bugs, but ya if you have any other recommendations send them my way.
Apr 27, 2018
alvarg
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Apr 28, 2018
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odac standalone, schiit modi 2 (non uber or multibit) both cheaper than the pro-ject
Apr 28, 2018
rastus
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Apr 28, 2018
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DSD is not "overkill".... you can get native masters in 2.8 now.
Apr 28, 2018
Jotunn
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Apr 28, 2018
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I'm still learning about it. Any chance that dac MD is collaborating to pair with the CTH would have DSD capability? If that product is less than six months out I'll definitely wait for it. Otherwise I'll look elsewhere. By the way do you have a link to the statement Will put out about the CTH pair/match?
Apr 28, 2018
rastus
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Apr 28, 2018
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Will's answer to mastershake was short & sweet, they are working on a DAC, but no time frame of course... I'm quite sure it would be a matching stacker to work with the CTH & THX etc. and that it would have to include DSD capability, or it would be DOA for many folks. Shorter term I would still look for a dual purpose DAC such as the iFi iDSD Nano BL, that has line out, and can also be a travel DAC/amp; if you want to wait for the new collaboration.
The Defenders of PCM, seem to want a battle, I simply say listen to DSD native, not DoP, on a decent rig. In the meantime don't shortchange yourself, any DAC should, my opinion, have DSD capability. Unless it is something like a dedicated ladder one... and then even some of those will include a dedicated DSD section...
Lastly... don't panic:) both are fine...
Will's statement:
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Apr 28, 2018
Jotunn
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Apr 28, 2018
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Thanks this is awesome!
Apr 28, 2018
alvarg
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Apr 29, 2018
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Not defending pcm but i will add
"The DSD64 tracks have roughly 33 times the resolution of the 16-bit 44.1KHz tracks so that they could make DSD sound better than PCM in comparisons. The truth is that in recent blind studies they've proved that high-resolution PCM and DSD are statistically indistinguishable from one another"
Apr 29, 2018
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