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CEE_TEE
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Sep 11, 2017
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Yes, this is the real Liquid Carbon!
Same power (2.8W RMS Balanced, 0.7W RMS Single-Ended), same balanced bridged topology, same high quality parts, 1x Gain/3x Gain, same sound known by the audiophile community.
Okay, there are a couple of differences in our X version: -This version comes in the Massdrop chassis, stackable with Massdrop products such as the Cavalli Tube Hybrid. -Separated the switching power supply from the amplifier section. We have an in-line power brick. (Still handles 100-240V.)
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-Removed the Kubicon 4-pin output (RSA) that was on the front. (Working to have an adapter so that you can plug a 2.5mm TRRS balanced cable into the 4-pin XLR jack. Not available yet.) -Removed the 3.5mm input jack. -Added an RCA output to pass through a DAC signal. (This way you can run: DAC > “LCX” > Another amp or Powered Speakers, etc.) -There were some volume potentiometer issues reported with the original Liquid Carbon, we’re taking extra care to ensure high-quality channel matching pots are selected by our supplier and QC’ed by the factory. -Massdrop Made, produced with our manufacturing and supply chain. Warranty by Massdrop. How is the Liquid Carbon X different from the Cavalli Tube Hybrid? -No tube. Pure solid state. (Though still known for a non-fatiguing presentation.) -Higher max power than new CTH. Using the balanced 4-pin XLR output, the LCX can output up to 2.8W balanced into 50 ohms vs. new CTH 1W into 50 ohms single-ended. -Quieter for IEMs. This is counter-intuitive at first, but the Liquid Carbon was originally conceived of for in-ear monitors. By using 2 discrete amplifiers per channel, this allows the use of some very low noise parts. Keeping a gain of 1x as an option allows for plenty of power on tap for IEMs but a quiet background and room to move on the volume dial. Choose this amp for IEMs to large headphones.
Sonically, this is the Liquid Carbon. With improved volume pot and different power supply implementation.
Sep 11, 2017
Phantaminium
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Sep 11, 2017
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CEE_TEE Take responsibility for my wallet Massdrop! 😭
Sep 11, 2017
sahmen
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Sep 11, 2017
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CEE_TEEYes, I too am getting pissed off by the minute with the way all these new offers are being announced... I would ideally like a "liquid Crimson X" selling for half the price of the Original (exactly like the Liquid Carbon X is doing now) if I had the choice... I already have the original liquid carbon, and also got the CTH, so I do not know how best to play the game of choices, especially not knowing what else might be coming down the pipeline... I wish Massdrop will announce at once all Cavalli units they intend to release in the future instead of using this "cloak and dagger" drip drip drip one at a time approach... That would help customers plan the right choices ahead of time instead of making premature buys that they have to cancel later on... I for one am ready to trade up my CTH drop purchase for something better, but I need to see what is coming down the pipeline first, before deciding. I also think Massdrop would benefit in the long run by placing all its "Cavalli Cards" on the table right away... This buying without knowing what else is coming is only going to give rise to incidents of buyer's remorse and desires to cancel or upgrade which would only end up costing Massdrop a lot of hassles and wasted labor power...
Sep 11, 2017
dablaze21
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Sep 11, 2017
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CEE_TEEwhat is the single ended max output power ?
Sep 11, 2017
MadMan007
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Sep 11, 2017
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sahmenIt's just like the TH-X00 variants, patience is a virtue. Aside from the crazy long delivery time, it's part of the reason I cancelled my CTH - I anticipated more Massdrop-Cavalli products would come, and wanted a fully balanced option. Maybe we will get a fully balanced tube or tube hybrid, although those would surely have a higher price. These collaborations will be dropped again for sure just like all the others have been (and maybe with less crazy lead times), so unless for some reason one thinks having one of the first 500 serial numbers matters, there's no real negative to waiting. You also get to read end-user impressions from more people and not just select reviewers using prototypes.
I imagine part of the staggered release is to gauge interest, but clearly the SDAC and this were already designed when the CTH was announced. These things don't get designed overnight.
TL;DR Don't buy into the hype, and be patient, you'll get another chance.
Sep 11, 2017
MadMan007
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Sep 11, 2017
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CEE_TEEDoes it have indicator lights for power, gain, and source (?) like the original LC? I don't see any holes on the front panel like the LC, unless they're buried behind the switches and glow around them from behind.
Sep 11, 2017
i3lack
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Sep 11, 2017
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CEE_TEENow the original and version 2 owners of LC got ripped off... This is like half the price or less than that for the same thing if not better... Thanks Cavalli for giving a middle finger at your supporters...
Sep 11, 2017
gwur
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Sep 11, 2017
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CEE_TEEWhat other Cavalli drops are planned? People can plan on the one that they want if they know.
Sep 11, 2017
cong314159
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Sep 12, 2017
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CEE_TEEA separated stackable power supply box would be really nice, or even better a rechargeable power supply battery box!
Sep 12, 2017
Tomadobro
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Sep 12, 2017
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CEE_TEEWhat's the advantage of stacking this with the CTH? How's that work?
Sep 12, 2017
rsilvamu
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Sep 12, 2017
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CEE_TEEis the RCA out fixed level or variable?
Sep 12, 2017
msxmsx
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Sep 12, 2017
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CEE_TEEPlease give us an upgrade option from CTH to this. I'm interested in Cavalli amps so joined the CTH drop, but this looks better, and I don't need two amps.
Sep 12, 2017
drwlf
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Sep 12, 2017
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rsilvamuI would like to get a confirmation about this as well, does the volume pot affect the RCA pass?
Sep 12, 2017
EniGmA1987
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Sep 13, 2017
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TomadobroThere isnt one, IDK why they chose to make that a feature or even put a picture of it. Sure it looks nice but this and the CTH are both amps, you dont run an amp into an amp... I really hope Massdrop has plans to make a nice, cheapish balanced DAC in this same chassis design and size. That would actually make the stacking feature useful.
Sep 13, 2017
EniGmA1987
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Sep 13, 2017
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CEE_TEEMassdrop, does this amp have the phase conversion feature of the original Liquid Carbon where we can put an unbalanced input into the amp and still use the balanced headphone output with full power?
Sep 13, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Sep 13, 2017
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Sep 13, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Sep 13, 2017
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dablaze21Hey ablaze, we updated the power specs to call out max balanced and max single-ended.
Sep 13, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Sep 14, 2017
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MadMan007Just a pinhole LED for power...the switches are all 2-position. Another difference.
Sep 14, 2017
Randingo
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Sep 16, 2017
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dablaze21700mw
Sep 16, 2017
Trilobites
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Sep 17, 2017
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CEE_TEEIt would be great if we could see the internal. Could you please post some pics?
Sep 17, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Sep 18, 2017
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Sep 18, 2017
deeks
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Sep 19, 2017
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cong314159Is a linear power supply or battery option gonna be goer in the massdrop chassis? Coz that would be super ubes!
Sep 19, 2017
ilcg1
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Sep 19, 2017
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CEE_TEEWill there be a discount for CTH and LCX combo?
Sep 19, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Sep 19, 2017
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ilcg1Hi ilcg1, Thanks for asking. What we do is make each separate as affordable as we can to benefit the most people.
Sep 19, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Sep 22, 2017
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CEE_TEEAs good as this amp looks, I'd need a stereo RCA line out in the back to make it work with the rest of my setup. I'm expecting more variants from you in the coming year, CEE_TEE, but your post about the lineup for 2018 doesn't seem to include headamps/DACs with lots of IO options. Pity, that, because I've wanted an LC for some time.
Sep 22, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Sep 22, 2017
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VarholiaglimpHey Varholiaglimp, The Carbon does have an RCA pass-through so you can feed the Carbon with a DAC and if you don't use the Carbon but need the signal to "pass-through" to another device...you can. What it will not do is act like a volume control (passive pre-amp). Does that work?
Sep 22, 2017
ffontan
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Sep 25, 2017
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rsilvamuI'd also like to know if the RCA is fixed level or variable. Has anyone posted an answer on this?
Sep 25, 2017
EniGmA1987
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Sep 25, 2017
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ffontanCEE_TEE just said on the post above that it is a straight pass through, the headphone amp will not actlike a pre-amp for the pass-through outputs. That would mean whatever level you send up to the RCAs will be the level that comes out the pass-through output RCAs.
Sep 25, 2017
Elsid
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Sep 26, 2017
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EniGmA1987I'll have to remember not to blow up my active speakers.
Sep 26, 2017
ey51
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Sep 27, 2017
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CEE_TEE"· Massdrop LCX+SDAC is in progress but not yet developed. (No guarantees, hopefully in 2017.) "
Is this going to happen? - If yes, can you give an estimated delivery? - If not certain, can we join the LCX drop and either upgrade in case LCX+SDAC does happen, or possibly cancel if it doesn't? - If surely not, let us know, please.
Thank you
Sep 27, 2017
Chaturanga
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Sep 29, 2017
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ey51I don't think they can offer switching between LC and LC + SDAC. When LC + SDAC will be announced probably LCx units will be already in production phase.
Sep 29, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Sep 30, 2017
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ey51Hi ey51, We're working on LCX+SDAC. It is taking a surprising amount of extra parts to do the input switching. We hope to prove the design in late October. I don't anticipate allowing LCX cancellation/upgrades because we are sharing these plans & the LCX+SDAC won't launch until November (at the earliest). Hope that helps!
Sep 30, 2017
Wuthoqquan
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Sep 30, 2017
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CEE_TEEThanks a lot for the update! I think the plain LCX will perfectly fill my needs and I’m looking forward to receiving it.
However, I’d like to put my vote for a separate DAC to be designed by Massdrop/Cavalli to pair the CTH and LCX. I’m positive the response from those who decided to go with the two amp-only designs would be amazing, provided the DAC will have the very same footprint of the amps so as to allow perfect stackability.
Sep 30, 2017
Trilobites
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Sep 30, 2017
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WuthoqquanYeah something above the SDAC, with more inputs like coax, spdif and balanced output.
Sep 30, 2017
et-al
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Sep 30, 2017
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WuthoqquanLet's be realistic here, Cavalli is a very good analog audio designer but a DAC does not seem to be in his realm of expertise. I very much doubt he even wants to design a DAC and even if he did getting his first one right means it's going to be a very long wait while it goes through r&d.
Sep 30, 2017
Wuthoqquan
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Sep 30, 2017
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et-alBut I'm actually hoping for a release of a revised Grace SDAC with more inputs and balanced output (like Trilobites has suggested). If built into an alumimum enclosure of the same size and finishing of the CTH/LCX, I'm pretty confident it would easily be in the radar of those who already purchased these two amps..
Sep 30, 2017
Zenifyx
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Oct 2, 2017
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WuthoqquanIt would be unlikely to see a Cavalli designed DAC (not their area of expertise) but I think we might hopefully see some future collabs using the same enclosure. Previously, we would be restricted to purchasing products from the same company to get matching stacks, but this changes the game somewhat. Now if only massdrop could entice more dac or amp manufacturers to get onboard...
Oct 2, 2017
Wuthoqquan
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Zenifyx... and that’s what I was actually trying to point out in my original comment! Did I ever mention the DAC should be a Cavalli design? I don‘t think so... All I’m hoping for is a DAC (an improved Grace SDAC, maybe?) with proper inputs and a balance out, possibly in an enclosure of the same size and finishing of the CTH/CLX. Such a DAC (again, not designed by Cavalli!) would be a perfect match for the Cavalli Tube Hybrid and the Liquid Carbon X.
Not sure if it‘s just me... but, if offered by Massdrop, I would immediately purchase one of these DAC.
Oct 2, 2017
Zenifyx
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Oct 3, 2017
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WuthoqquanJust let me point out a statement in your original comment - "separate DAC to be designed by Massdrop/Cavalli". Enough said.
Oct 3, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Oct 3, 2017
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ZenifyxIn which case the best scenario for Wuthoqquan is a Grace-designed DAC with more I/O, a lower price point than the Grace m9XX and tweaked synergy with the Massdrop/Cavalli LCX. That might be too much to hope for, but it sounds as though W implied that that's what's needed.
I think you're both right: W did say what you (Zenifyx) read, but I believe I understood from the context what they really meant: a slightly more upscale Grace DAC with LCX synergy.
Oct 3, 2017
Wuthoqquan
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Oct 3, 2017
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ZenifyxOops... you're right! I was too quick in posting my first comment and I don't know why "Cavalli" slipped in that sentence, instead of "Grace"! But since the very first moment I was indeed calling for a "Massdrop/Grace" collaboration for a DAC to be paired with the CTH/LCX! My bad, sorry... !
I still hope there will be something emerging from Massdrop (possibly in the very near future!) for the benefit of those who decided to go with the amp-only Cavalli Tube Hybrid and Liquid Carbon X. The alternative of a revised LCX design with integrated DAC is not to my liking, as I would prefer to have a separate , full featured and stackable unit with proper inputs/outputs.
Oct 3, 2017
ey51
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Oct 4, 2017
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CEE_TEEThank you. So I will be waiting for the LCX with a DAC. I'm hoping for something less basic than the SDAC, or at least another option of input into the DAC (maybe TOSLINK?) A firmer input port than the microUSB would be appreciated, as that port is so flimsy. Thanks!
Oct 4, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Oct 5, 2017
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ey51I agree! (Back in 2004, I might have written cosigned!)
Oct 5, 2017
Wuthoqquan
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Oct 5, 2017
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ey51Did you mean LCX with "integrated" DAC, or LCX with a "separate" DAC? If the former, I highly doubt It would be a fully featured DAC, but rather a basic one like the SDAC built into the CTH...
Oct 5, 2017
ey51
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Oct 5, 2017
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WuthoqquanYes, I mean an integrated DAC inside the LCX casing (like with the CTH+SDAC). I did not opt in for the LCX because there is a plan for LCX with integrated DAC. I'm wondering if it's early enough in the design to allow the potential buyers to influence. Would love a bit more than basic DAC, or at least more input options.
Oct 5, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Oct 5, 2017
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WuthoqquanFrom what I read, CEE_TEE seemed open to reasonable suggestions. I doubt he'll create a version with maximal I/O -- it sounds as though there isn't lots of wiggle room -- but it's possible he could add a Toslink input if enough people wanted it. So far, two people do: ey51 and me.
Oct 5, 2017
Wuthoqquan
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Oct 5, 2017
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VarholiaglimpI'm instead on the opposite side of the LCX "pond", so to say, as I would much prefer a separate DAC that users can freely pair with either their amp-only LCX (or CTH).
A separate DAC would provide for the highest flexibility in design and plenty of space in the enclosure to include all the possible inputs/outputs.
As an additional note, the CTH and LCX amps are the ones that have reached high numbers of sale! If combined together, this translates into a potentially large user base that could be interested in a separate DAC, if attractive on a features/price basis (and if built into a chassis of the same size/design of the CTH and LCX).
Conversely, the number of CTH/SDAC sold is negligible. How many LCX/SDAC units (when available) does Massdrop expect to sell?
In the end, wouldn't It make sense to provide a proper DAC to the CTH and LCX large users base?
Oct 5, 2017
Z0d1Ac
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WuthoqquanAgreed, they probably have plenty of sdac sales already.
Make a balanced dac (two chips) and have xlr out to go to an amp that has xlr inputs. Also add more than just usb, would like to see optical and coaxial inputs.
Oct 5, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Oct 6, 2017
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Z0d1AcI think there's room for both ideas -- combined LCX/DAC with more IO and middle-tier Grace DAC -- but I'm not sure that Massdrop will add a tier between the SDAC and the Grace 9XX. I hope they do, but I can see the arguments against it, one of which is that the 9XX is not that expensive.
Still, the 9XX is no longer a Massdrop exclusive, and Grace now makes an improved version for the same price, which they sell in their own online store. Perhaps it's time for them to consider creating either a lower-cost DAC that offers more IO, or that is more portable and fills the same niche as the iFi iDSD Micro BL.
It will be interesting to see whether Grace is interested in creating a lower-cost balanced DAC. After all, they already make the m920, which uses a two-channel Sabre 9018 chip (unless they've updated it) but is a lot more expensive than the 9XX or the SDAC.
Oct 6, 2017
ey51
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Oct 13, 2017
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VarholiaglimpAdd @Z0d1Ac to the list wanting and optical input.
Oct 13, 2017
PopZeus
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Oct 22, 2017
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CEE_TEEHey there. Really excited for the LCX. Any more info on how the XLR to 2.5mm trrs balanced adapter is going to work? Will it be a separate drop? Thanks!
Oct 22, 2017
ey51
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Nov 2, 2017
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CEE_TEEHi @CEE_TEE , can you give us a quick update on the DAC & AMP roadmap / progress, specifically on the LCX+DAC? Thank you.
something like this past post of yours: https://www.massdrop.com/talk/2363/audiophile-custom-products-dac-amp-update-9-18-2017
Nov 2, 2017
Trilobites
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Nov 2, 2017
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ey51I believe I saw his post (somewhere) and he mentioned the LCX+DAC is not possible this year.
Nov 2, 2017
ey51
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Nov 4, 2017
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TrilobitesThanks Trilobites. Did he mention when they'll do it?
Nov 4, 2017
Wuthoqquan
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Nov 4, 2017
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ey51It is still not clear to me why an LCX with integrated DAC should be the way to go, at an higher asking price, when a separate DAC unit would easily address the needs of a much larger user base (CTH and LCX) and make everybody happy.
A separate DAC unit in the same footprint and finish of the LCX / CTH would make for a beautiful and fully featured stack, since there would be no issues or compromises to be made on the DAC components because of space/layout constraints - as it is instead the case in the design of an integrated unit.
I would personally support and instantly buy a separate DAC unit for the LCX and CTH, as soon as it appears on Massdrop!
I seriously hope this dream will come true! If it happens, the “Cavalli/Massdrop Stack” may become a new common reference in the Hi-Fi community, as it is already the case for a very popular stack of a well-known US brand! :-)
Nov 4, 2017
ey51
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Nov 4, 2017
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WuthoqquanNice thought. Isn't the LCX originally smaller so the current enclosure has plenty of room to accommodate a DAC? I prefer to have it in the same enclosed for less load on the desk and somewhat more portable if I want to take it with me. They can also make a better external stackable DAC that you can use instead of the internal one.
Nov 4, 2017
MusicLover
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Nov 14, 2017
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CEE_TEEYou seem to be very knowledgeable. I am in on this drop. Will this work with just an IPhone 6s plus or will I need to add another piece of audio equipment? Also I see the drop for the hybrid Dac/Amp is back. Would that be needed to add to this?
Nov 14, 2017
PopZeus
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Nov 14, 2017
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MusicLoverAll you need to run the iPhone directly into the LCX is a 3.5mm to stereo RCA audio cable, but if you want to take full advantage of the LCX, you're better off buying an Apple MFi certified (or bluetooth (although quality will suffer)) DAC to run interference.
Nov 14, 2017
MusicLover
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Nov 14, 2017
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PopZeusThanks I have the cables but it looks like this maybe more than I’m used to. I have the little dot 1,2,and 3 tube amps and The Darkvoice. I just use the rca cable to connect with those amps and don’t have any issues.
Nov 14, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Nov 15, 2017
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MusicLoverHi MusicLover, if you can connect to your other amps with an RCA cable then you should be able to connect to this amp as well...
Nov 15, 2017
MusicLover
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Nov 15, 2017
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CEE_TEEThank you I guess my question is that I see that this is pictured paired with Massdrop CTH + SDAC DAC/Amp. How would I benefit from joining this drop also and what are the benefits of connecting these two amps to use with headphones
Nov 15, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Nov 15, 2017
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MusicLoverAh, good question! If you were to get the CTH+SDAC, you can choose to use the SDAC and CTH or feed the Liquid Carbon X from the SDAC in the CTH+SDAC. If you want to use the SDAC into the Liquid Carbon X, you can use a 3.5mm to RCA cable. The SDAC outputs in 3.5mm TRS stereo so the plug is small enough to fit in the chassis. Does that help? You can also run an RCA cable from the Pass-through output of the Liquid Carbon X and feed your other tube amps from the SDAC if you want. This way you would be able to use the SDAC with many amps easily.
Nov 15, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Nov 15, 2017
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MusicLoverMany people have purchased new headphones on Massdrop but do not have a tube amp yet. Part of the audiophile path is finding gear that works well together and comparing different approaches. (Solid state, tube hybrid, output transformerless tube amp, output transformer tube amp, balanced, etc.) You already have some tube amps, so you may or may not want to try the CTH to see how the tube hybrid design sounds in comparison with your other amps.
Nov 15, 2017
MusicLover
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CEE_TEEThank you i appreciate all your help and advice.
Nov 15, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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Dec 1, 2017
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When will this drop live again and stomp among us, leaving carbon footprints that turn to liquid whenever we pursue its milled aluminum ass?
Dec 1, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Dec 1, 2017
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Varholiaglimp^Since you put it so eloquently...the next drop should go live soon after people start to receive their amps!
Dec 1, 2017
CEE_TEE
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Dec 2, 2017
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PopZeusYes, will start as a separate drop and then maybe we'll have them available at checkout if you buy an LCX.
Dec 2, 2017
PopZeus
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CEE_TEEI'll be on the lookout then. Thanks!
Dec 3, 2017
Varholiaglimp
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CEE_TEECan't wait!
Dec 6, 2017
Ares78
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Jan 7, 2018
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CEE_TEECan we get an update on how the LCX+SDAC is coming along? I need to plan out how I'm going to spend my money.
Jan 7, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Jan 7, 2018
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Ares78Please keep an eye out...next week is CES but 2018 looks pretty promising. ;)
Jan 7, 2018
kgaydon1973
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Jan 16, 2018
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CEE_TEEHi CEE_TEE, is there any update on the production/distribution of this amp? In addition, will Massdrop be providing any further information on the Massdrop/THX amp that I assume you are referring to in the CES 2018 update above? I read the Sound & Vision piece on it but was wondering if there might be an update on further specs, price and availability.
Jan 16, 2018
dasman
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Jan 25, 2018
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CEE_TEEA little over a month to go... Any update on the balanced 2.5 adapter mentioned in your initial post?
also, any plans for a balanced dac in a matching chassis for sta
Jan 25, 2018
EniGmA1987
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dasmanBack when they posted the projected schedule for the torrent of amps, they did not have any balanced DAC on the schedule. The only upcoming product with a DAC was the Carbon X with the SDAC
Jan 30, 2018
dasman
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EniGmA1987I know... but that's why we need to keep asking for it. If we aren't asking, then we'll never see it
Jan 31, 2018
PopZeus
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Jan 31, 2018
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dasmanI know for me, personally, I'd love to see a balanced DAC option from Grace x Massdrop. The m9XX is still benchmark for me but I'd be lying if I said the soundstage and imaging on my Cayin N5ii's balanced out isn't highly addictive. I wonder if there's a legit market for such a product. I'd ditch any notion of purchasing a Modi Multi if Grace had a balanced DAC option, tbh.
Jan 31, 2018
dasman
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Jan 31, 2018
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PopZeusmodi multi isn't balanced either... you have to move up to the Gumby for balanced from schiit
Jan 31, 2018
PopZeus
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Jan 31, 2018
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dasmanYeah, I knew that. Haha. My point was that the only thing that would prevent me from getting a Modi Multi is a balanced DAC option in that price range, preferably from a company that makes professional, neutral, but non-fatiguing audio gear.
Jan 31, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Feb 1, 2018
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dasmanWaiting for another sample from a supplier...
Feb 1, 2018
dasman
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Feb 1, 2018
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CEE_TEEsample on the adapter? or balanced dac? (grinning, ducking and running, lol)
Feb 1, 2018
kgaydon1973
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Feb 2, 2018
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dasmanHopefully BOTH?
Feb 2, 2018
Lostdog54
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Feb 28, 2018
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CEE_TEEI should be able to use the RCA cables to connect the CTH+SDAC with the LCX, right? Passthrough using the SDAC for the LCX. I am having trouble getting it to play using RCA cables. I did get the LCX up and running with the SDAC using the out 3.5mm out to RCA. I would prefer using the nice RCA cables over the Monoprice 3.5mm to RCA if at all possible.
Sidenote: I received the LCX in the mail today. I didn't notice that the box had a water mark on it until I opened it and saw that the LCX manual included also has a watermark and was still damp inside the box. I only mention this because it might explain why the RCA connections aren't working properly when connected RCA to RCA passthrough. It might not be capable of that but I would be shocked if that were the case. Thanks
Feb 28, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Feb 28, 2018
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Lostdog54Hi Lostdog54, Actually, you will need a cable like this from the SDAC to the LCX: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D5H8KO2/ref=asc_df_B01D5H8KO25387172/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B01D5H8KO2&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167146065113&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9343804778596188320&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031946&hvtargid=pla-303037967706
(The LCX pass-through you can use if you have want to pass the SDAC signal into a third amp...)
EDIT: I see you already have a 3.5mm to RCA cable.
Feb 28, 2018
Lostdog54
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Feb 28, 2018
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CEE_TEEThanks!
Feb 28, 2018
EniGmA1987
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Mar 1, 2018
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CEE_TEE@Will Any way to change up the material the chassis is made out of for all your future amps in this size? This powdery stuff on the aluminum to get the black color is not good, it leaves big white smudges anywhere something touches it.
Mar 1, 2018
Wuthoqquan
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Mar 2, 2018
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EniGmA1987Oh oh... O_o Is it something serious and to be worried about? Do the smudges go away, or is it rather a permanent mark?
Mar 2, 2018
EniGmA1987
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Mar 2, 2018
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WuthoqquanI touched the chassis when I first got it and left a big scratch of white along a 1" area on the top. I tried wiping the white away and only turned it in to a big grey smudge over a 3"x3" area. I was eventually able to very gently and carefully massage it into a very lightly blemished area where the grey color is hardly noticeable against the rest of the black chassis. But it is EXTREMELY fragile finish :'( Best to only touch the corners when handling it and dont ever touch anything else and dont let anything else touch it when placed on a desk somewhere. Think of it like a piece of antique china dish, keep it away from anything and everything and treat it like the thing could shatter at any moment.
Mar 2, 2018
Wuthoqquan
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Mar 2, 2018
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EniGmA1987WOW... now I'm really scared!!! O_O
Mar 2, 2018
EniGmA1987
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WuthoqquanI mean its possible I just got a really defective one where the powder didnt take to the aluminum, but I saw someone else complaining about the white with any touches too so if it is defective there must be a whole batch of bad chassis out there :/
Mar 2, 2018
EinTheVariance
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Mar 2, 2018
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EniGmA1987yea, mine is the same. if you take a cotton/microfiber cloth to it and wipe gently, you can remove most of the white smudges but overall it's a terrible finish.
Mar 2, 2018
EniGmA1987
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Mar 3, 2018
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EinTheVarianceOk so good news for the rest of you I guess, my Tube Hybrid just came in and when I took it out it is drastically better than the chassis the Carbon X has. It still has a small bit of the issue with white smudges, but Id say about 10x less than how my Carbon X is. if I feel both of the chassis with my hand, the Carbon X is noticeably more powdery feeling than the CTH I got. So either my one unit is not made right, or there is a small batch of the Carbon X's like mine, but the issue doesnt span to all the other chassis of the other units that use the same one.
Mar 3, 2018
mastershake
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Mar 3, 2018
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EniGmA1987im hoping its not a bad batch. ill be the first to admit im way ocd with the finish on my equipment and this is driving me nuts. because i highly doubt we will get anywhere in an "exchange" type situation. i also wanted them to match so as much as i hate this finish i really wanted them to look them same when stacked. yeah im crazy like that. i guess i should have waited for the second drop of them and maybe this would have been changed. i love the thing otherwise but this finish ughhhhh.
Mar 3, 2018
Lostdog54
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Mar 3, 2018
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CEE_TEEWhen listening to the CTH with LCX still connected by 3.5mm out to RCA cable I am getting lots of static, fuzz, interference. It’s pretty bad. When I unplug the 3.5mm out it goes away and RCA cable to disconnect the stack it goes away. Wondering if this is normal. It will certainly be a pain unplugging when switching back and forth between the two Units. Not ideal
Mar 3, 2018
EniGmA1987
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Mar 3, 2018
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Lostdog54Lots of people have reported the same type of behavior, try it again and power on the LCX and see if the interference goes away. If it does Id bet it has to do with the Carbon X's phase converter.
Mar 3, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Mar 3, 2018
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Lostdog54Hi Lostdog54, So this is the CTH+SDAC feeding the LCX with the SDAC portion via cable...and when you are listening to the CTH+SDAC you hear distortion until you disconnect the LCX?
Mar 3, 2018
Lostdog54
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Mar 3, 2018
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CEE_TEEYeah. I first noticed it last night. Switched from listening to the LCX being fed by the CTH+SDAC with SDAC portion via cable. Happened again tonight. Bad distortion when listening to the CTH+SDAC when still connected to LCX via cable. Never had a problem with the cable In the past or while using the LCX with SDAC.
Mar 3, 2018
Wuthoqquan
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Mar 3, 2018
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mastershakeSo.... you also got a unit with the same powdery chassis that easily leaves white smudges when simply touched?
Mar 3, 2018
mastershake
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Wuthoqquanyes i did. and its SO ugly. heck if i breath on the thing it turns white. really sucks
Mar 3, 2018
mastershake
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Mar 3, 2018
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EniGmA1987you are exactly correct. my cth is fine no white dust or markings from simply staring at it to hard. im a bit annoyed. well okay okay a bit more then annoyed. also im a bit peeved they shipped my carbon in the actual box and now i have this massdrop tape all over it and the cth was all nice and re boxed into another box. HOWEVER who ever got my cth out of the original carton sliced right through the entire side of the box so i have a razor cut all the way down the side i had to tape back together so it didnt fall apart when i was opening it. i keep boxes for things like this. but yes the cth finish is great. my carbon looks HORRIBLE now even after being crazy crazy careful touching it and i only just opened it yesterday.
Mar 3, 2018
Lostdog54
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Mar 3, 2018
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mastershakeBoth my CTH+SDAC and LCX have the problem with marks and scratches from anything that touches it. The finish on more leaves more to be desired. These two are supposed to be stacked and when stacked and connected there is terrible static/distortion. Pretty disappointing
Mar 3, 2018
mastershake
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Mar 3, 2018
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Lostdog54interesting i have not stacked them yet due to the finish on the lcx. i want to figure out how not to mark the crap out of the lcx with the cth on top. but then i dont have the cth+sdac combo. the finish it seems on the stand along cth is fine i personally know a few others who also have their cth (no dac) and theirs are fine also. but they have the same problem with the lcx mine maybe a tiny bit worse though they said
Mar 3, 2018
Lostdog54
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Mar 4, 2018
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mastershakeBoth the CTH+SDAC and LCX mark up extremely easy. The finish doesn’t bother me near as much as the interferenc/distortion when stacked and connected. Very disappointing. Haven’t heard back from CeeTee yet but did notify him last night of my problem. I assume Monday he will contact me with more info on what can be done. It also seems the SDAC is losing connection while playing music. It will randomly stop, disconnect from my computer. It just starts playing out of my laptop speakers mid stream mid song. It’s now happened three or four times. Seems a little shotty. Maybe I got a defective unit. We will see. Buying a stack for over $600 that when stacked sounds terrible is not ideal to say the least. Both the Yulong DA9 and Noble K10’s still haven’t made it to me yet eithEr. I will say that independently they both sound great. Just scares me that it’s now starting to lose connection frequently
Mar 4, 2018
Wuthoqquan
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Mar 4, 2018
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mastershakeWait a sec... Massdrop has shipped your LCX in its original box, without any additional packaging?!?!??? So the shipping labels have been permanently affixed and they will have to remain on the LCX carton box? Simply unacceptable ... My LCX is still going through international shipping. I cannot imagine the conditions I could potentially receive the LCX, if Massdrop packed it in a such a careless way...
Mar 4, 2018
mastershake
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Mar 5, 2018
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Wuthoqquanyup correct. it was shipped in the actual liquid carbon box without any additional packing or another box. i tried to remove the shipping labels and started to tear the box. so now i don't have a nice box for my lcx as well as they taped the massdrop packing tape the brown stuff that says massdrop on literally every inch of the box. kind of sucks because i like having the boxes to these. ill take a picture when i get back home tomm morning. why not just plaster a big bright orange sticker all over the box that just says HEY STEAL ME WHY DONT YOU, IM THE MASSDROP CAVALLI LIQUID CARBON AMPLIFIER!!!
Mar 5, 2018
dasman
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Mar 5, 2018
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WuthoqquanMy LCX also shipped in the original box, unlike the CTH which was double boxed.
Both my LCX and CTH have the same powdery finish that marks easily.
Mar 5, 2018
Wuthoqquan
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Mar 5, 2018
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mastershakeShould mine be delivered like that, I will ask for a partial refund... ! It's just unbelievable! Why should we accept such sub par service?
It was probably too much of an annoyance for Massdrop staff to individually repack all the LCX before shipping... O_o Much easier to break the pallets where the single boxes were consolidated in China, wrap them in the Massdrop tape, stick the new shipping labels and pass them to the courier guy... great logistics indeed! No comment!
Mar 5, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Mar 5, 2018
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Lostdog54Hey Lostdog54, I am testing a CTH+SDAC feeding a LCX+SDAC and going back and forth...no distortion on HD800. Which headphones are you using? I will also pull out an LCX (no SDAC) and try again. May be something strange with your CTH+SDAC.
Mar 5, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Mar 5, 2018
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Lostdog54Okay- tested CTH+SDAC into LCX+SDAC and CTH+SDAC into LCX standalone. Both seem fine going back and forth between the two: the CTH+SDAC feeding either LCX version.
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Does it seem like the LCX is fine and does not exhibit any distortion? The CTH+SDAC might be the unit with the issue?
Mar 5, 2018
Lostdog54
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Mar 6, 2018
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CEE_TEEAfter testing everything for two days I’m pretty sure it is the CTH+SDAC. I narrowed it down by testing the LCD2’s Fostex th900 Noble 6’s (IEMs) and the Senn 6xx. The CTH+SDAC started to cut out after my comment the other night. So I tried several other Dac/amp combos to see if it Was possibly the USB on my laptop and everything worked fine. Never cut out or lost signal. I’m pretty sure it’s the CTH+ SDAC thats the problem. Contacted support and I’m getting a replacemen. Haven’t had any problems so far with the Liquid Carbon.
Hooking the LCX to the Gustard X12, Mojo, TEAC HA-P5, RHA L1 and all worked and sound great. This leads me to believe it’s definitely the CTH+SDAC.
Thanks for the reply and help. I’ll let you know if anything else comes up good or bad.
Mar 6, 2018
Lostdog54
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CEE_TEEPretty positive it’s the CTH SDAC. I tested a lot this weekend and the only time I hear any distortion is with the SDAC being feed from the source (MacBook Pro). Thanks for checking in and I’ll check in to let you know how the new one works out. I think I might have just got a lemon. Thanks again Cee_Tee
Mar 6, 2018
Graydog
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Mar 6, 2018
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Lostdog54I am getting small intermittent static storms as well on my CTH (no built-in SDAC), which are not volume dependent... meaning they do not change as I adjust the volume and are still present even with the volume turned all the way down. I am hoping that it is a tube burn-in issue, but I have not heard static on my Torpedo III hybrid tube headphone amp (using the same setup of my Mac Mini / Schiit Yggdrasil DAC / SE outs to the amp via RCA cables). I am probably two thirds of the way through the 100 hour break-in period, yet the character of these intermittent static storms has not changed. Time will tell I guess.
FYI - I am using my Massdrop x Fostex TH-X00 Purpleheart headphones, though I have never heard static like this on them before.
Mar 6, 2018
mastershake
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Graydogi think i may have heard the same as you may be hearing. twice now i had a weird like white noise type of sound and it slowly got louder and then kind of fizzled out. but has not happened since the second time. i also have had no sound issues with the lcx. im hoping maybe its a tube issue i do have a few tubes i can try but i want to burn this one fully in first. same exact dac and source used for both units. so its not elsewhere in the chain.
Mar 6, 2018
EniGmA1987
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Mar 6, 2018
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CEE_TEETurn off the CarbonX while it is still connected to the CTH+SDAC and while listening to the CTH. People seem to report distortion when both units are connected but the CarbonX is not currently in use. The problem also seems to be from people using the single ended inputs, havent seen anyone mention the issue yet when using the balanced inputs.
Mar 6, 2018
Graydog
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EniGmA1987I have read others having that issue, but in my case I disconnected my Torpedo III hybrid tube headphone amp and have no other amps connected (as my LCX delivery was delayed until later today)... and of course the CTH only has SE inputs. Hopefully it will stop in time.
Mar 6, 2018
catboyoblue
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Mar 9, 2018
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CEE_TEECan I use my AKG 7XX with the LCX balanced output? I received my LCX amplifier and I'm eager to try it out. After reading the instructions I came across a warning, "Do not modify a single-ended 3-wire cable to connect a 4-pin XLR". The warning goes on to say damage could result and that a commercially purchased cord would operate properly. I had previously purchased a set of Massdrop's AKG 7XX headphones and in anticipation of receiving the LCX I ordered a balanced cable for it (best in the verse cables
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@ https://bestintheverseaudio.com/ ). Pictures of the cord/connector included. Now I'm not an electrician or an electrical engineer, but even though these cables were bought from a reputable cable provider, based on the 3 prong connector that the AKG requires, I can't help but feel concerned that this is exactly the sort of situation that I'm supposed to avoid with the LCX. Please advise so that I don't inadvertently cause damage to my new amplifier! One other question, I also have the Cavallie CTH+ SDAC- it's manual makes no mention of the concern regarding headphone cables; will an improper cord (three prong cord to balanced 4-pin) cause damage with that amp as well?? Thank you for your time and assistance.
Mar 9, 2018
EniGmA1987
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Mar 10, 2018
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catboyoblueThere is no point at all to plugging that in to a balanced output, it does not make your headphones balanced nor will it provide better output power to the headphones. That adapter is taking the shared signal return of your unbalanced headphones and feeding it into both sides of the balanced amp on the negative L and R amp channels. Yes, damage could result. Do not do it, and really you should never be using such an adapter for any reason. It will not make the headphones any better than just plugging them into the unbalanced amp output
Mar 10, 2018
lugnut
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Mar 25, 2018
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EniGmA1987There are several people using the 4 pin connection (non-balanced) just because 1. all are cables are already 4 pin balanced for our balanced amps, we do not want to change to a 1/4 connection. 2. The 4 pin connector on this amp is a better connector then the single 1/4 /6.5 connector as it is wobbly and just seems to be inferior to the 4 pin connector. Notice I refer to the 4 pin as a 4 pin xlr and not a balanced. The warning that is mentioned above is referring to using a 3 wire when a balanced is 4 wire its just that simple, don't use adapters .People need to read and understand their equipment, remember reading is fundamental !
Mar 25, 2018
lugnut
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Mar 25, 2018
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lugnutIgnore my above post as it was to be for the Cavali CTH non balanced amp !
Mar 25, 2018
JRey
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Apr 19, 2018
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CEE_TEECan we get another drop please?
Apr 19, 2018
dasman
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Apr 22, 2018
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JReyIf your interested, I'm going to sell mine
Apr 22, 2018
dinnguyen201
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Jun 10, 2018
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dasmanHi, was wondering if you sold yours yet? I’m interested.
Jun 10, 2018
dasman
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Jun 10, 2018
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dinnguyen201It's long gone
Jun 10, 2018
CEE_TEE
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Jun 10, 2018
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dinnguyen201Some LCX+SDAC to come around soon...
Jun 10, 2018
sahmen
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Jan 1, 2019
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sahmenUpdate: Talking about being patient... I cancelled my order of the CTH and waited. Guess what: I am now the proud owner of a Monoprice Cavalli Liquid Platinum, which is a balanced version of the earlier Liquid Crimson, but scaled down into a smaller form factor. It was released on November 1st, and it sounds amazingly good too. It is an original Cavalli design and produced with his full collaboration too, so I wonder why Massdrop did not seek his collaboration for the Crimson... Maybe they should try doing that for the Liquid Gold, or Liquid Tungsten. That would be really something. The Liquid Gold made affordable and offered by Massdrop, will almost certainly be a guaranteed winner... Massdrop, are you paying attention?
Jan 1, 2019
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