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Remxaii
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Apr 18, 2019
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Okay I could do with a little advice
I currently have a pair of Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro and a pair of Sennheiser HD6XX.
I did have the AKG K7XX but I sold them as they didn't really do a lot for me.
Currently just have them running through a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 interface and into my PC but I plan on replacing that with the Schiit Modi/Magni 3.
I like the Custom One Pro sound but they seem awfully lacking in detail since picking up the HD6XX. Also love the build quality and general feel of the Beyerdynamics. I have a lot of awkward piercings, stretched ears and a mohawk so I have trouble finding headphones that are comfortable, but these fit like a dream.
I'm still looking to hang onto the HD6XX but I think I want something to replace the "punchy" sound of the Custom One Pro, just with a little more detail, and for when I want something skull-rattling. I don't find the HD6XX to be satisfying in that area, as amazing as they sound everywhere else.
I was dead set on the Fostex TR-X00 Mahogany until seeing the release of the DT 177X.
I'm still a little swayed towards the TR-X00, especially with the current EU shipping drop.
Factoring in tax and shipping, both headphones come in at around roughly the same price, with the TR-X00 being around £35-40 more expensive.
Any chance of a little advice as to which way to go?
Thanks in advance!
Ares78
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Apr 18, 2019
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RemxaiiTR-X00 is better than the 1770, and these are heavily based on the 1770, so I'd say the TR-X00 is better than the 177X.
ElectronicVices
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Apr 18, 2019
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RemxaiiCan't get much farther away from the Sennheiser house sound than Beyer. I intentionally bought the DT990 after my HD650 purchase (decade or so ago) for a different flavor. Also a DT880 and later replaced with a T1. Familiar with the 770, 880, 990, 1350 and T1, while all of them were incredibly comfortable (except the on-ear 1350) the treble limits the length of listening sessions for me (the 1350 being the "warmest" beyer I've owned). I've gone 10 hours with the HD650, no more than 3 or 4 with a Beyer. The peak bass frequency is much higher on the DT1770(80 or so hz from the graph) and continues right up to the mids with a massive drop. On the X00 35hz or so and more linear leading up to the midrange. The Fostex is also semi-closed so if you are looking to limit sound leakage and increase isolation the Beyer is the better choice. Ultimately it would be best to wait until these hit the streets and you can find people with similar views on the HD6xx that also picked up the DT 177X.
beginering
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Apr 18, 2019
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Remxaii@Remxaii - there’s a somewhat direct comparison of the dt177x and trxoo in the reviews section by @jaydunndiddit . It might give you insight.
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jaydunndiddit
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Apr 18, 2019
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RemxaiiI can chime in a bit here as I have all three of these cans atm. My TRX00 are the Ebony's.
I will outright say the 177X are better than the Fostex except for bass quantity. The Fostex are actually pretty linear until about 2k hz and then their treble just gets ragged and peaky. It's way too hot, and the amount of sibilance I get by comparison is honestly nerve wracking. Not to mention, they have more resonance and ringing versus the better damped 177X. The 177X do not have the bass quantity, but their bass is tighter and more punchy. The mids are pulled back a bit by comparison, but it gives everything a smoother, laid back personality that the Fostex lacks. Treble wise, it's no contest, but the 177X delivers a smoother, more competent response here. They have more presence and usually just enough edge to be noticed without being over zealous. Something I cannot say about the Fostex as it always stepping over that line of too much hot treble. If all I listened to was bass heavy music, I would probably dig the Fostex more. But, my taste are pretty eclectic and shows a lot of the shortcomings of the TRX00. The 177X works well with really any genre, but excels at jazz, rock, acoustic, etc. They're just a more pleasant, refined listen over the fun, over zealous Fostex.
Regarding the 6XX, the 6XX is smoother in general and lacks the treble energy and liveliness of the 177X. The Beyer sounds boxy and closed in, even compared to the smallish stage on the 6XX. They also have more bass punch and impact over the 6XX despite them having more warmth. 6XX excels in vocals and strings as they tend to be more forward in the mix. Build wise, the 177X feel premium compared to the plasticky 6XX. Comfort is better and clamp is less with the 177X.
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Remxaii
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Apr 18, 2019
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jaydunndidditThankyou so much @jaydunndiddit!
Think that's decision made.
Going to get myself the Schiit stack and enjoy my HD6XX for now and wait patiently for the 177X to come.
ElectronicVices
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Apr 19, 2019
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zep483And you base that assumption of "better' on what?
JoeBi
Apr 20, 2019
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ElectronicVicesFor me, the Magni 3 is harsh. I'd rather have the Liquid Spark or cleaner Atom, but they weren't available then.
Might as well go higher now with another amp here. Have been weighing Valhalla 2 v. MD-CTH.
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Megazine
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Apr 22, 2019
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RemxaiiOne thing I would add is that with the TX-00 Mahony (I own them) you’ll have more quantity of bass. So if your leaning for a more-bass cans like for electronic/house/EDM/Hip-Hop, I feel TX-00 is the way to go. But the highs I do not enjoy, it can be shouty. IMO it comes down to the genres of music you listen to and how often you're willing to change cans for listening pleasure. Personally, I love switching it up depending on genre. The TX-00 are a lot of fun. Contrast to that, if you want an all-rounder it seems the 177X is the way to go. Here is my listening-flow:
6XX/58X: Vocals, Folk, Oldies
TX-00: Hip-hop, EDM
LCD-2C: Jazz, Classic Rock, Orchestra
7XX: Gaming
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HarBear
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May 2, 2019
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ElectronicVicesHey if you have the T1 Gen 2, can you please just give a quick comparison between it and the X00?
ElectronicVices
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May 2, 2019
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HarBearI have a T1 Gen 1 that is >20K on serial number (final revision before they started making Gen 2, treble slightly reduced/damped). The T1 is far and away my most detail oriented can, on some tracks I can hear producer/engineer direction in the half second or so at the beginning of a track. It's quite comfortable "physically speaking" but can get a little fatiguing for long listening sessions from an auditory perspective.
X00 - I own a first drop Mahogany, fixed cable
Bass
Extension - honestly they both go pretty low without any major upper bass peaks distorting your perception of extension or steep rolloff on the bottom end
Impact - without question the X00 wins here, by miles
Speed/Transients - both pretty solid here, before I owned the X00 or the Elex the T1 was my favorite dynamic can for this metric
Quantity - X00, all day long (assuming you like some thump, if reference is your aim the T1 is more in line)
Mids
T1 wins here in almost every category due to it's linearity and transparency, if you go with the Ebony this may be slightly improved
Treble
No winners here, both can be peaky in the 9-10kHz range, X00 has a spike in the lower treble too. If you've not owned a Beyer before I suggest starting somewhere other than the T1 to see if you are sensitive to the "Beyer Spike". The T1 is cleaner but I'm not a huge fan of either's balance/linearity relative to the other frequency bands.
Soundstage
No question the T1 destroys the X00... T1 is very tall, very deep but somewhat triangle shaped (not a lot of information coming from the top right or top left fields). With the right tubes in my Lyr the T1 is breathtaking on this front (live music from big venues sounds like it should). The X00 is good for being semi-closed but it always feels more like I'm listening to a band in a club or bar, not in large stage venue.
Ease of Powering
T1 is 600 ohm nominal with spikes of up to 1000 ohms, you need to ensure your gear can put out the necessary wattage at this load. It's not incredibly inefficient so it doesn't need much power at level but many devices will struggle to supply enough voltage for this can.
X00 - All things considered probably easier to drive but some sources distortion goes through the roof below a 32 ohm threshold and this headphone can take up to a watt of power with a 25 ohm nominal impedance. (I'm looking at your old Samsung phones!)
Form/Comfort/Build
The T1 wins overall but the x00 isn't bad after swapping stock pads for Dekoni Elite Hybrids (also tried 900 sheepskin and X00 sheepskin). Clamp is low for both but I can wear the T1 for longer. The X00 comes with a faux leather pouch, my T1 came with an Aluminum box (I believe they dropped this on Gen 2 and also the real leather headband). Both cables are non-detachable and nothing special.
Sources
DAC's - Dragonly 1.2, Emotiva XDA-1, TEAC UD-501
Amps - Schiit Lyr, Gustard H10, Cayin iHA-6, Drop O2
Conclusions
T1 if you want a good all-rounder and aren't sensitive to it's treble spike - need some sort of an amp for this one, tubes mate really well as does the 120 ohm SE output of my Cayin.
X00 - if you like bass this is the one, killer for EDM and bass heavy genres. Not so awesome with all vocalists as the Mahogany is a bit W shaped (peak in the sub bass, mid range and treble) Less picky on amping but low output impedance and roughly 1 watt into 32 ohms will be more than sufficient. Ebony is probably the most versatile as it smooths out some of the peaks in the other two versions.
Neither is great directly from a phone, outside of the LG V series.
Hope that helps, own the Elex, HE500 and many others if you have other questions.
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chintimin
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May 30, 2019
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Remxaiiimo go beyer. I love those fostex headphones (I'm wearing them) but apart from a warmer sub-bass they lose p much every other competition.
Remxaii
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Oct 7, 2020
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NatanielHey
I have them paired with a Schiit Modi/Magni 3
Or a Cambridge CXA60 with a Schiit Mani using a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Esprit with an Ortofon 2M Red
I love them for both of these, so much so that I sold my HD6XX
I didn't get on well with the original pads, I replaced them with some ZMF cowskin pads which made the ear seal much better
Even compared to the HD6XX which I previously loved, these sound amazing in every department
They sound more detailed, but also punchier without sounding muddy or lacking in soundstage
Remxaii
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Oct 7, 2020
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NatanielI would say these would be a brilliant choice for you
The closed back design paired with leather earpads provide real deep, satisfying, accurate bass
If not these, then maybe something from Fostex would be a worthwhile alternative although I have not tried those so can't comment too much on them
Nataniel
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Oct 7, 2020
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RemxaiiGreat! I heard the fostex thx00 ebony are amazing, but they aren't being sold anymore. Then, there is a similar headphone called the emu teak which I was interested in. But I think that these headphones might be my best choice, as long as they are smooth and have good bass. Thanks again, I really appreciate your help!
Megazine
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Oct 8, 2020
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NatanielI own them. The bass is punchy and they work well with hip-hop. They are slightly bright but very clear and crisp in sound. I think the best part of these cans is that they are easy to drive and insulate sound very well. For Hip-Hop, I would recommend the Fostex Purple Hearts or the Fostex Mahogany.
Papptona
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Mar 6, 2021
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ElectronicVicesHow do the DT990's stack up to the other Beyer's you've tested?
ElectronicVices
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Mar 8, 2021
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PapptonaThe 770, 880 and 990 are all essentially the same drivers with minor tweaks. If you don't mind the Beyer spike they can be quite enjoyable. I only have the DT990 around at current (T1 replaced the 880 and I never bought, but have used, the 770). I like the 990 for certain genres, particularly those with a lot of kick drum or bass lines. I can't say I would recommend it to anyone who either hasn't heard it first, or buys from somewhere with a solid return policy, it won't be everyone's "cup of tea".
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