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So if i understand right,the sound is similar to the amiron home wired version.And if you dont need closed back,then the amiron home is an better option since open backs primaly sounds a little better due to the open back design?
Each design ideal (open back vs closed) has strengths and weaknesses.
With regards to music, and assuming open back is just as usable (ie not beside a partner in bed or for use at the office etc), then most reviews generally favour open back when we look at reviews on ‘hi end’ audio forums.
A lot of ‘high end’ audio peeps are into classical music.
It is a hard genre to playback correctly and generally reveals, quickly, the tier of kit we are playing with.
It would be fair to say much talk with regards to ‘open back’ strength is from the viewpoint of replaying very high end music files of a classical design.
I would encourage readers to check the review interests and equipment level of those who rave about open back sound who deem closed back design as not suitable/inferior.
That being said- it can be hard to recreate strong and well nuanced bass playback on many open back design.. (is the amicron a hybrid?).. many who like their rap/ or electronic dance music wouldn’t like an open headphone. Period.
The strengths of ‘open back’ for me, is to do with computer gaming. I use a $500 sound card that encodes ‘dolby headphone’.
Whilst I had used some GREAT closed backs (Sony MDR1A/B&W P7 etc), it wasn’t until I used some AKG open backs that I realised how much I had crippled my sound field. Having a much larger sound field (which is easy to do with open back designs) made pin point accuracy in Battlefield and race games etc an incredible experience.
With my mouse setup to be reliable in terms of consistant movement- I could hit people by audio cues (turn and shoot) without even needing visual confirmation. Yes, really.
For pro gamers a great setup really helps.
That being said, the Beyer DT770-990 are considered some of the best gaming cans’ of alltime.
This is the super deluxe version of the best gaming cans’.
I would feel pretty safe with the sound quality of both these parts, and would encourage a user to buy based on their needs’.
To be fair ‘closed back’ designs are very much more versatile... and these DT Pros are probably a ‘step up’ over the lesser Tesla parts.
Happy to continue this discussion.. (I won’t ramble on until I know what your uses are so as I can make an ‘educated guess’ rather than general truths...)
I did a small write up on head-fi recently with regards to surround gaming. It isn’t a neat edited piece, but you get what you pay for ;-)
Tnx for replay.At work,so ill keep it short ;) My usage is music and tv/movies/netflix.I dont game.Only some nintendo switch with my daughter.I use headphones/iems on my mobile with radsone es100 bluetooth reciever,apple tv4k and sometines with my chord mojo connected to the mobile.I use spotify now.Have had tidal for years.But spotify has more music that i like.I listen to all kind of genres.classical,rap,edm,rock,classic rock,metal,pop and all the way to black metal sometimes :P .But my favorite genre is electronica.All kind of electronic music.And escpesiel late 90s,early 2000s.
I also got the mobius,and curious how the beyer sounds compared to the mobius :)
That is a nice equipment range you have there...
When you mention that you use headphones with the mobile, do you mean over ears (ie not always using ‘in ears’)?
Not wanting to put the cart before the horse, but the Audeze open back that you have kinda has the open back category covered, and if I was in your shoes, considering a closed or open back Beyer, it would be a no brainer to go the closed back so that I could mix it up into using for commute etc.
The diversity in music genres means I feel you would massively benefit from, if adding ‘cans to the setup without intent to sell off other headphones, something that makes a different sound signature than what you already have.
Where do you presently use the Mobius most?
Has its’ sound made you thirsty for ‘better sound’ in other areas?
I mostly use mobius with netflix and youtube on the apple tv 4k.I t sounds good.I also use iems,but i like headphones best.
I also think that if i sell the mobius now,i can get more for it.Bluetooth headphones get fast outdated? And i have the es100 i can use with the dt's
gertost; this is a little tricky for me here, so I will choose my words carefully (not something I often do, my writing is always freeflow/stream of consciousness)....
The Audeze that you have is arguably fantastic sound. At any sane price you would be buying sidegrades.
Few parts, would make sense to ‘upgrade to’ without spending serious money, and even then they would likely miss aspects of what you have with those headphones.
I spent awhile looking up your parts whilst I awaited your ‘music selections’ so I could understand various ways in which you may implement them..
Was the reason why I was enquiring as to whether you would consider wearing ‘over ears’ in public or whether the commute is InEarMonitors exclusively.
The Radstone es100 (bluetooth audio box)and the chord mojo (portable DAC/amp) gave me much reason to wonder as to the various ways you would use them..
Eg I would use a USB DAC with my nintendo switch (when not playing mario kart/tennis with the family) as I like games with beaut soundtracks eg bloodstained/octopath traveller..
The dual headphone outputs on the mojo I started to think of situations where you and the family might be under headphones at the same time whilst playing (be dangerous if using the ‘swing controller’ mode for tennis..)
What I did come away with was that you had a veritable solution for any situation that needed audio.
I felt very confidently that the DT177X was the way to go- and then you listed your music preferences!
Definately grab them.
Whilst I may have suggested some Sennheiser amperiors for Electronic Dance Music or some such.. (or enquired further as to which IEMs you have),.. I am VERY CONFIDENT that the DT177X would be your favorite headphones for A LOT of your music...
But they wouldn’t do some TV/movies anywhere near what your Audeze (mobius) would offer.
I actually would want you to keep both of these sets.
I do not feel confident to encourage you to let the Mobius go- I feel that would be a remorseful sale.
headphones values, being a personal ‘health’ item don’t always net top dollar.
Yes they are worth top dollar now simply because everyone would be upgrading to them...
but think about that statement- why is everyone upgrading to them?!
You have (if getting the Beyer DT177X combined with the Mobius) some of the best sound possible in consumer audio that can be reached for sane money.
Having a set that offers wide expansive sound (yet leaks into the environment around you) and a set of tight clinical/highly accurate monitoring that between the two, would cover all scenarios.
And they will continue to do so for many years.
If you let the Audeze go, or if you didn’t grab the drop special modded DT Teslas’ you might end up wasting a lot of time researching and sidegrading and constantly searching for something that quench’s your thirst.
I feel there would be threads around the world of some newbie asking ‘what two sets of headphones could I buy to cover all bases’ or ‘should I spend $1000 on this?’ Where people would say: Buy the Mobius (or other open back planar), and DT177X, and get vastly more genre’s done right.
One headphone as a jack of all trades is a master of none.
That might not be true as some crazy esoteric price point, but even then, that set of headphones would be unlikely forgiving of poor recordings /or else not as analytical as some.
I feel VERY CONFIDENT to recommend you the DT177X over the amicrons etc
Just put the Dt177X on a playlist on repeat for a couple of days before you in anyway compare them against the sound you already have, otherwise you may colour your opinion of them (out of the box they won’t give their best).
I feel you have an endgame system within grasp.
(most audiofools, myself included, own several sets of ‘cans because we know that it proves better value to achieve the high level of sound we want across a range of ‘flavours’)
Tnx for help :) Maybe i should wait a little,and then decide.I dont have the funds to buybthe beyers without selling the mobius.In iems i have fiio fa7 and fh7.They are ment for portable use.I have tried different iems,but always ended up with the conclusion that i like headphones best.They are more comfortable and bigger sound.Im going to try a little different electronic music on the amirons,and see if there is something im missing or want more of 😊