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SDante
109
Dec 24, 2018
It's not Damascus steel, it's water patterned steel. There is a big difference. Damascus steel isn't made anymore, only imitation Damascus steel, like this.
PigmonkeY
1082
Dec 25, 2018
SDanteThe term you're looking for is pattern welded. We could talk all day about what constitutes "real" damascus in this context, but the fact of the matter is this probably actually performs better than the genuine article ever did.
SDante
109
Dec 25, 2018
PigmonkeYNo, it's just the pattern, reminiscent of water, like actual Damascus steel. I never said damascus was stronger, it's definitely not, but Damascus steel doesn't exist because woots doesn't exist. "Welded" doesn't come into the picture and it doesn't take an all day conversation to know this is just a pretty pattern on a knife. It looks a little like the pattern woots produced but a cursory glance shows the pattern is wrong.
PigmonkeY
1082
Dec 25, 2018
SDanteThis is pattern welded steel. The fact that you don't know what pattern welding is in the first place means you should go back and do some reading, bud. You're confusing this with some kind of surface etch job, which this is not. Swing your imaginary big dick around elsewhere, because you're posting on the internet where you can be fact checked.
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SDante
109
Dec 25, 2018
PigmonkeYI do know what pattern welding is, which is why it is so obvious that the water pattern (which both pattern welding and woots can produce), is done by pattern welding rather than using quality woots ingots. You brought up welding, I just said it was as imitation of Damascus (which pattern welding is, so you confirmed what I said) Qvod erat demonstrandvm. And stop obsessing about other guys dicks. "I'm posting on the internet..." the university metallurgy department knows nothing about alloys. You can play with your own dick for the moment. I'm sure you'll make some guy a very happy man down the track. You obviously love ginger beer after all.
RayF
22214
Dec 31, 2018
SDanteDon't make Damascus Steel anymore?!!! Don't tell this kid that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtBus_iU-PQ
SDante
109
Dec 31, 2018
RayFWell, this kid is wrong too. Making Woots has been a lost art for centuries. Pattern welding exists, but not all pattern welding creates the water like pattern that can be considered Damascus (ask some of the troops that pulled out of Syria. The fabric from the region is/ or was, incredible) But no, Sri Lanka don't produce Woots anymore, so no more Damascus steel.
RayF
22214
Dec 31, 2018
SDanteOdd as it sounds, I don't actually know any troops they pulled out of Syria!
SDante
109
Dec 31, 2018
RayFYou don't know anyone from the various wars in that region, that's ok. Pictures of the cloth are online, or I can scan the photos I have, from before the civil war going on right now.
RayF
22214
Dec 31, 2018
SDanteI'm just gonna take your word for it--I'm not actually in the market for another knife right now.
SDante
109
Jan 2, 2019
Yea, I know about metal metallurgy, but that's because of decades working with metals and the study I've done. When you know about working with metals and you see something that is a fake product, it's polite to allow the people who have no clue to know. I'd shaved the week before in that photo. If you'd prefer to see the full Kelly beard I end up with, that isn't a problem. Your local milner might be able to point out that a fedora and a trilby are not the same. Like I said, only those with no clue would believe this is Damascus.
RayF
22214
Jan 2, 2019
So says the guy who wrote this little gem: "Yea, I know about metal metallurgy, but that's because of decades working with metals and the study I've done."  Which is good, because "metal metallurgy" is the best kind--nobody studies wood metallurgy these days!
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SDante
109
Jan 2, 2019
RayFYea, granted, auto correct is a bitch. Mine seems to want to insert the most recent/ last word typed at the beginning of a next text segment. It is a pity nobody studies the woods aspect of metallurgy anymore. I did. Combine metal and wood whilst forging and you can achieve carbon nanostructures which add plasticity to metals. But, you knew there was something akin to "wood metallurgy" already. Either that or dumb luck prevailed again for you.
SDante
109
Jan 2, 2019
So you understand how to temper wood too? Just like you do with metal? My bata is hard enough to smash bricks, and it's only tempered wood.
SDante
109
Jan 6, 2019
Tank barrels are made different to tank armour. They change after a few rounds have been fired too. "Severing" a tank gun takes a lot of energy, a sharp edge is a bad thing because it grips instead of severing. Using a sledge to try and achieve spalling would need less energy, no sharp edge and be easier. Pershings failed miserably against 2nd hand T-34s. The rounds just bounced off with little or no damage. This was a '50s modernised tank against tanks left over from early the war. While he was studying the blade, I was studying has the blade came to exist and the many forms it has taken. The best a sword or knife has done against a barrel is to deform or dent the outside. You read books while you learn about things. Like the British handbooks for penetrating armoured vehicles, and the tests done at Aberdeen proving ground. I can weld a knife, hand forge a knife, use modern machines (like presses) to make knives, cast blades or just reuse scrap. I haven't seen how sharp his nihon blades are, but they would only be sharp for the first cut before they begin to blunt anyway. Sharpness isn't determined by material, just by how much you sharpened it. You can make an awl out of flour that is sharp enough to kill, copper can be used to shave with, even silver can slice. Splitting a piece of heated lead, is not difficult either. I use an old potato peeler to shave pieces off lead, quick and easy, and old rusty carbon steel. These are knives for nancy boys, so you can look at the pretty pattern.
SDante
109
Jan 6, 2019
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SDante
109
Jan 6, 2019
That, and the original, the knife isn't Damascus. Not sure which stereotype you mean, but you can keep the wooden nickels you value so highly.
14themoney
1395
Jan 6, 2019
RayFSay it isn't so! I just watched several YouTube videos on wood metallurgy. I had one on plastic metallurgy queued up but fell asleep.
RayF
22214
Jan 6, 2019
14themoneyWait 'till you get to the "Basket Weaving for Metallurgists" video; that one will really have you on the edge of your seat...
14themoney
1395
Jan 6, 2019
RayFDamn! You HAD to tell me. I'm so excited, it's all I can do to finish this grateful reply. See ya later. Gotta GOogle.
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RustyBridges
106
Jan 6, 2019
SDanteTry not to get worked up Sdante, I’m not sure why these members want to pick on you, it seems you know your craft well and wanted to educate others. I do know however that dude ray does this same thing to other members on a daily basis and lost his core member status on account of his behavior. What your commenting on is exaggerated self importance, an aging desperation for attention, topped with chronic alcoholism and a fetish for photographing young women. The others seemed threatened for some reason and joined in. I appreciate what bring to this community, and hope your not discouraged from contributing further.
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SDante
109
Jan 7, 2019
RayFDo you never seen how to weave stands of metal into a basket faced helmet either? Or how to use plastics in casting? You keep trying to invent fake things that are already real, when the Damascus you want to be real IS fake. That's irony.
RayF
22214
Jan 7, 2019
You know, this may come as a disappointment to you, but I only use the knives I have to open mail and the occasional box from MD or Amazon. My life doesn't actually depend on whatever knife I happen to have in my pocket at the moment. I'm good with a so-so knife, I don't really need one from the forges of Mornaur or Mordor. Truth is, I'm not going into battle, Wesley Snipes isn't coming for me, and I don't actually hang with the 47 Ronin these days. For the most part, the stuff you're talking about, while interesting, isn't quite as relevant to the average Joe, as it is to you. I don't say you're wrong to be into it, but you're gonna have to learn to pick your audiences a little better--know what I mean?
RayF
22214
Jan 7, 2019
SDanteYou see, here's what I'm talking about: you'd be surprised how infrequently a guy like myself, actually needs "to weave stands of metal into a basket faced helmet"--it just doesn't come up that often. I guess I lead a duller life than your do? I'm okay with that--not everyone was born to save the Galaxy;--turns out, I am not Groot--I'm okay with that too ;- )
SDante
109
Jan 7, 2019
RayFI have a box knife and letter opener for such things as boxes and letters. I have a spring steel interrobang(minus the tittle) shaped device for cutting rope, boxes and letters. It also opens doors and is good for setting animal traps. It doesn't have a name since it is just something I make that fits in your back pocket, but it's perfectly angled to cut the Vagus and is legally classed as a "tool" rather than a knife or weapon. As for not weaving metal? Woven fences, woven balustrades, woven wire (e.g. power lines), woven fencing, barbed wire (it's woven), et absurdum. Sometimes people even weave a metal basket for a pot plant.
Metal is very often woven. You'd be surprised how often a metal worker would weave metal. Like if you joined metal, folded it, joined, folded,... that would be a weave. Pattern welding is one form of weaving you seem to appreciate. The sword I have is antique and not Japanese, it was made for my great aunt. The blades I make are made to fit their purpose. Mu edc is neither hidden nor worn on the hip, it falls in the convenient grey area over here, reading helps you know things. You leading a dull life is no excuse for you to lead an uneducated life. Maybe one day you will need to join some wire, and not have a lug. I would weave the metal together since it's easy, quick and strong. You don't believe in metal weaving, so repairs is not going to be your strong suit. I rarely use Amazon because of the high prices. MD is a good place to look but rarely a smart place to buy from, unless it's something peculiar or something that doesn't come up often. I didn't choose you as my audience, you chose my by crying that the knife was Damascus, except you don't know about Damascus and didn't "pick your audience" well. The knife is woven, using pattern welding, to imitate an alloy. A fool and his money are soon parted, thus, I expect you to spend a great deal more on knives like this. Don't spend so much time watching dodgy sword movies. For the most part, I'm talking about modern metallurgy, which spans methods from past to present. Only a knife person would care if the knife is any good, or at least as described.