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AlexPk
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Apr 11, 2017
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Just a friendly warning from me. Due to past issues with the discussion trending towards xenophobic, I will be taking a hard stance on comments that attack the country of origin and don’t add anything to the conversation. I welcome any technical questions or comments regarding WE Knives in regards to their methods or workmanship, but will not tolerate any broad sweeping statements or speculations in regards to their country or workers. Thanks everyone.
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Axeguy
1372
Apr 11, 2017
AlexPkThanks for taking a stance on xenophobia. Elected officials could stand to take a page from the same playbook. Cheers!
ScottieG
253
Apr 11, 2017
AlexPkI know there is a lot of concern about overseas produced knives. Much of the worry revolves around the integrity of the supply chain and protections against similar products produced by third parties getting injected into the supply. Solving these problems have as much, if not more, to do with only dealing with authorized vendors. I think WE Knives is fine, and as long as Massdrop and Ferrum Forge do their due diligence with the sourcing and delivery, all is well.
FynntheHuman
12
Apr 12, 2017
AlexPkSo, its xenophobic to criticize the country of origin? Why not just go whole hog and say its racist, Nazi, misogynistic or any of the other "PC" terms that people use when they don't want to hear others opinions. That is nothing but censorship. Anyway, If this was a real Ferrum Forge knife and not some knockoff, would be on board.
FynntheHuman: xenophobic: having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries. prejudice: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. Unless you've handled WE Knives or you've been to their work shop and seen how they work, then assuming the quality is substandard based on the country of origin and the people who make it would be xenophobic. We have met the people from WE Knives and seen the work they do. Ferrum Forge has done extensive vetting of their facilities and workmanship. These are skilled craftsmen from China who take their craft very seriously. If you can't look at something for what it is and only where it comes from then that's not criticizing. Good things and bad things are made in China; just like every other place that exports products. It's a tired and ignorant opinion every time someone pops in here and says "ew China" just because it was made there and I'm removing them unless they've got some kind of valuable input. Sorry you feel this is unacceptable..
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Numl0k
25
Apr 12, 2017
AlexPkAs a nitpick, that says "prejudice against *people* from other countries.". This is prejudice against the quality of their manufacturing process, not their people, so it's *not* xenophobia unless the attacks are directed towards the people. Xenophobia normally focuses on aspects of cultural difference, and while I see what you're getting at, I feel that there's a better word to describe it than xenophobia.
Though, I mostly agree with you. Goods from China aren't *necessarily* poor quality. It all depends on who designs it, and if the people that are paying for manufacturing are willing to pay enough to ensure that the materials are good quality, and just as importantly, ensure that the quality control process is up to standards.
Manufacturing in China *can* be great, but I'd wager that the majority of goods coming out of China are substandard. But that's because China is known for and used for cheap manufacturing, and it's readily available over there. While I don't think it's fair to judge products simply because of a Made in China label, I can understand why people would be skeptical if it's a brand that they don't know.
Also, keep in mind that some people dislike Chinese products not just because of the quality reputation, but also because we've shipped so many of our manufacturing jobs overseas to save money. There is an ever-increasing population of Americans who will not buy Chinese goods simply because they prefer to keep their money in the US. It's not because of Xenophobia, it's not because of manufacturing standards, it's just because they want to look out for US citizens and promote the growth of local jobs in any way that they can. That's definitely something I can get behind. I buy American whenever I can, but I don't follow that religiously because I find it impractical so often.
chazjones
44
Apr 12, 2017
AlexPkActually, WE Knives and others (Reate Knives) are exceptions to the norm of the quality of Chinese knives. Most knives that come from China are sub-par in quality. It is only in in the past 5 years that there have been products of exceptional quality that are starting to remove the stigma of Chinese made knives. Unfortunately, some people are still ignorant of these few gems in a market saturated with inferior products. It will probably take some time, but hopefully there will be more Chinese knifemakers to emerge in the future to change how people view Chinese knives.
FynntheHuman
12
Apr 12, 2017
AlexPkThanks definitions, would never have known how to look them up on the internet...
I've handled a WE 605. The proprietary star shaped hardware is soft and prone to stripping. That can make the disassembly for maintenance rather interesting. The action is also nowhere near the Ferrum Forge Mordax that I currently own. That being said, the WE 605 was not a bad knife, just not up to Ferrum Forge's very high standards IMO.
Knowing of China's reputation in manufacturing has nothing to do with xenophobia. Their reputation, for the most part, is well deserved.
Numl0k@chazjones @FynntheHuman I'm not disagreeing with any of the opinions that people have had bad experiences with Chinese made products. I too have had bad experiences. Just as I have had bad experiences with cheaply made products from the US. I understand there is a negative stigma attached to goods made in China for exactly the reasons @Numl0k mentioned.
But the decision for moderation in this discussion is not aimed at reasonable people having a civil conversation. Much like people's opinion of China, it is made on my past experiences with the discussion. Every time we've listed WE knives the comments have inevitably turned into a racist battle ground and it ruins the entire discussion for anyone who wants to ask actual questions or have a conversation.
Feel free to scroll down and read some of comments at any one of these drops: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/we-knife-model-601/talk https://www.massdrop.com/buy/we-knife-616/talk https://www.massdrop.com/buy/we-knife-612/talk
I understand there are concerns about over moderation, but you can see I haven't removed reasonable comments on the country of origin below. I'll only be removing comments such as: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/we-knife-616/talk/600014
These add nothing of a substance and only open a doorway for subjective arguments which benefit no one. This is not the kind of environment or atmosphere I want in this discussion.
Hopefully everyone can agree that these have no place here, and that this helps to explain why I've made this decision.
bob.mcewen
3
Apr 12, 2017
AlexPk"Due to past issues with the discussion trending towards xenophobic, I will be taking a hard stance on comments that attack the country of origin and don’t add anything to the conversation."
Then you say:
"xenophobic: having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries. prejudice: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience."
Xenophobia doesn't have to do with thinking Chinese products are shitty. That's just how China works. There's no regulations set to the standards that other countries like the USA has. So they CAN be shit, but they aren't always, as you've stated. You literally contradicted yourself between posts. Xenophobia is prejudice toward the PEOPLE of the country. It has nothing to do with the regulations that the country has set. I understand what you're going for here, but stop trying to push an agenda. Also suppressing freedom of speech is your right on your own website, but it's also a shitty thing to do for no reason. This is how you lose customers. Especially to people like me who reads these that can administratively block your website from showing up on subreddits with 100,000+ subscribers. Bad business practice doesn't make me want to support a website.
bob.mcewenI agree. Please click into the links I've shared to get an idea of what I mean when I say "due to past issues with the discussion trending towards xenophobic"
mike240se
37
Apr 12, 2017
Numl0kVery well said.
Tim.H
Apr 12, 2017
AlexPkWhy do most of the drops not have COO listed?
JackDaniels
2
Apr 12, 2017
AxeguyThanks for adding that. I was hoping to be bombarded with politics here and not information about the goods.
Axeguy
1372
Apr 12, 2017
anonomous
558
Apr 13, 2017
FynntheHumanThey have gotten feedback on the screws and for the most part it's not a problem, the people who stripped screws was due to them doing it wrong being a novice. But lots of people just don't like it, soi I hear we knives is going to make a change in screws once the models they planned are done.
Let's not forget the knife in this drop is not using star bit screws. I have a knife from Vlad that's produced by we. It's called Pioneer of the Nile, and it doesn't have star shaped hardware either. I've taken it apart several times without issues, the hardware is not soft.