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CSMaNa
1
Jul 10, 2018
Worth upgrading from HD6XX?
jsmiller58
804
Jul 12, 2018
CSMaNaYes, I think so (I have the 58X, 6XX, and 660S). But it has a very different sound signature - the Elex has much more bass and treble extension, much brighter and dynamic than the three HD series I have.
Jackula
1743
Jul 12, 2018
CSMaNaI'm actually on the fence about this headphone, even if this was the $5k Utopia, I would still be on the fence.
The HD6XX is a very good headphone, and scales much better than the Focal. Perhaps on lower end gear the Focal is better, but on TOTL gear, they are more similar than different.
The HD6XX is also more comfortable to me, and I can buy two replacement sets of it for the price of the Elex.
If you were looking for something of a different tonality, consider a Sundara or LCD2C.
jsmiller58
804
Jul 12, 2018
JackulaGlad that you like the 6XX - I enjoy them too, just not as much as I like the Elex, but we can chalk that up to differences in tastes!
As to different scaling with equipment, could be, I can't comment too much. I will say that the chains that I listen to my cans on are: Audio-gd NFB 11-38, Topping D50->O2 Amp, Topping D50->Aune X7S, Topping D50->CTH, and for portable use an iFi xDSD and a Hidizs DH1000. I also have a Little Dot Mk II, but that hasn't gotten enough use for me to draw any conclusions.
For everything except the NFB 11-38 I prefer the Elex to the 6XX - the Elex is too bright for the 11-38. I will be playing with some of the built in switches/jumpers in the 11-38 to see if the warmer setting or any of the digital filters change this, without messing up the sound on the other cans that pair well with the 11-38.
Like you, I can also recommend the Sundara, less bright and easier to listen to for longer periods of time than the Elex.
For me, though, the Elex are still my favorites :-)
Jackula
1743
Jul 13, 2018
jsmiller58Agreed, preferences and HRTF are certainly factors to consider. I do find it odd you find the Audio-GD bright, though I haven't listened to the 11.38 specifically, the typical AGD sound is smooth and analog. They are generally slower and warmer down the lower end, and neutral and faster at the higher end.
jsmiller58
804
Jul 13, 2018
JackulaAt least that is how it sounds to me, and I suspect I am not the only one...
Let me quote from the Audio-gd website in reference to the internal jumpers that you can set to make the unit a bit warmer:
"Setting the NFB-11 with warmer sound flavor ? Push into two jumpers in the points can let the  sound warmer for match the bright headphone." http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB1138/NFB1138EN_Use.htm
Maybe the better terminology I should use is that the AGD 11 series is "transparent". With bright or very detailed / resolving headphones like the Elex that might not be a good thing, so they offer an option to smooth / make warmer the sound...
:-)
In terms of smooth and analog sound, that sounds more like what I have read about the R2R 11... from the Audio-GD website: "R2R 11 had the  exotic sound quality! Smooth, coherent and analogue, it had not emphasize anythings but had not miss." To be completely honest they also claim on the same page that the NFB 11 is not bright... But I can definitely hear a distinct sound signature difference with the Elex playing out of the NFB 11-38 and the O2, CTH, and X7s... I had actually been skeptical of people who said you need to have multiple amps to pair with different cans in your collection, but I am a believer now... Of course that just gives me an excuse to buy more gear...
Jackula
1743
Jul 13, 2018
jsmiller58Everyone seems to have their own definition of bright, although moving upwards in gear it certainly seem to get brighter overall, but it's just because lower end gear are usually warm and people are normalised to that kind of sound. Some of the best gears money can buy are neutral, it is the best sound, there's nothing more realistic than a neutral sound.
R2R is definitely analog sounding, regardless of the make. R2R DACs - Audio-GD, Schiit, Holo, Denafrips, Lampizator are all R2R and analog sounding. Audio-GD amps on the other hand, are voiced for an analog sound (at least this is what Kingwa - owner / genius engineer of Audio-GD told me), and work best with an analog sounding DACs - it doesn't have to be R2R but it helps.
I do agree that Audio-GD gears are very transparent and they are the real giant killers, which is why I went with Audio-GD HE9 for my end-game amp. Whether as a headphone amp or a pre-amp for my speakers, it beats everything I've ever come across.
jsmiller58
804
Jul 13, 2018
JackulaThe HE-9 looks lIke an AWESOME amp! I think that will be my end game amp as well!
needhelp
331
Jul 13, 2018
Jackulatransparent = no identity.
they do not know how to tune, so they did not tune.
Jackula
1743
Jul 13, 2018
needhelpTransparency is its own identify and it's a breath of fresh air from 99% of amps that aren't. Transparent amps, or rather "wire with gain" is highly sought after in high end. You may like your music colored or digital sounding, and that's fine, but I enjoy mine unadulterated and real.
needhelp
331
Jul 13, 2018
Jackulayour music has been pre processed by the sound engineer. audio-gd never got big, always among the niche because they do not know how to tune. anyone can buy some component and assemble it. how many know how to tune a house sound?
all musics are colored and digitally processed.
sami62
9
Jul 13, 2018
jsmiller58" R2R 11 had the exotic sound quality! " This line keeps me going in the stressful everyday life
jsmiller58
804
Jul 13, 2018
sami62It’s clear that Audio-GD invests more in their engineering than their website, that’s for sure!!
Artifiz
180
Jul 13, 2018
jsmiller58" It’s clear that Audio-GD invests more in their engineering than their website, that’s for sure!" Agree. I am glad Audio-GD cares a lot more for the quality of their products than their site's look. I am not saying a well integrated site ain't that important, but in this case its fine with me.
Jackula
1743
Jul 13, 2018
needhelpWhile it's true all music is processed, the sound engineering process is about removing color from a recording - introduced by recording equipment, to get it as close as the original performance. Adding more color through your playback equipment isn't going to get you any closer to faithful reproduction.
Sure, anyone can buy components and build their own amp. Amps aren't complicated, that doesn't mean putting a few resistors in a row is going to sound any good. You could follow one of many freely available schematics, but it's not guaranteed to sound the way you prefer.
A good amp needs a good design, and Audio-GD has developed many innovations not found in other amps. Audio-GD isn't small for sure, everyone has heard of them and a many have owned at least one piece of their gear. Their R2R DACs sell like hotcakes, and their R-core amps are considered world class by many.
And sorry to break it to you, everything about "high-end audiophile" is niche, Schiit being one of the largest audiophile companies in the USA, or Paradigm the largest speaker manufacturer, my wife haven't heard of either, neither has most of my friends IRL, but they have heard of Bose, Beats by Dr Dre, Sony etc.
@Artifiz For sure, Audio-GD burns in their products prior to shipping, some of their flagship products are burned-in for 500 hours!!
rastus
1391
Jul 15, 2018
needhelpThere Is No Amp... is the hardest tune to play... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI
RayF
22218
Jul 16, 2018
CSMaNaYou spent $200 on 6XXs and now want to spend $700 on these? Without actually listening to them first? This is how people on this site end up with a dozen of everything--most of which ends up in a closet.
sami62
9
Jul 16, 2018
RayFNothing wrong with that. Why else would you need a closet for
RayF
22218
Jul 16, 2018
sami62Well, you sound dumb enough to join that club—do you have the money to qualify for a membership card?
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