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gusdn95
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Jul 17, 2016
Anyone tried gaming (FPS:CSGO) with this? how is the imaging? I will be using them for music, gaming, and e-drums. Should I be considering different headphones?
rnrneverdie
33
Jul 17, 2016
gusdn95I think you can try monitor headphones like msr7 which has better noise isolation.
baka
6
Jul 18, 2016
gusdn95The mahogany work just fine. I used Sennheiser HD555's for 10+ years for games. Comparing the mahogany to the HD555's I'd say they are less comfortable, have less soundstage, but are just fine when it comes to positioning.
They are semi closed cans so your ears will breathe less and the earcups are somewhat tight around my average sized ear. Those are really my only issues with the headphones, everything else about them has been pretty damn good otherwise. It did take my ears about a day to stop focusing on what sounded like a slight hissing in the highs(sibilance). Now I don't even notice it.
For music(mostly rap, electronic, and rock) they are my favorite set of cans.
gusdn95
16
Jul 22, 2016
bakaI am sold! That was all I need to be convinced to buy it. I'm definately going to buy the sexy looking mahagany. Thanks for the response. Greatly appricative.
ZedPotts
51
Jul 22, 2016
gusdn95Yes, you should get the K7XX for gaming. They're *sighs* much clearer. Buuuuuut they feel sad in comparison on cellos.
baka
6
Jul 22, 2016
gusdn95No problem, I'm definitely happy with mine. I'd also like to follow up and say while they are less comfortable than my old hd555s they are still incredibly comfortable headphones.
I did rotate the ear cushions clockwise so the headband sits slightly forward on my head. It made a world of difference for me comfort wise.
gusdn95
16
Jul 22, 2016
ZedPottsWell one of the reason is for gaming, but not the main reason. It's for my daily home use of e-drums, music, and gaming. Annnnnnnnd I really don't like open back headphones :( Just wished the TH-X00 were fully closed headphone.
gusdn95
16
Jul 22, 2016
bakaThanks for the tip. I heard about the earcups are soooo closed to the ear, and that is one of its strongest asset. I will try it out and see how it goes with my ears. I had HD600 right before this headphone, and I really didn't like them. Sooo I'm trying to avoid Sennheiser's headphone for my next purchase, at least. It was too blend for my taste.
ZedPotts
51
Jul 23, 2016
gusdn95Well, let me put it another way. These are my FAVORITE headphones, BUT. There are certain things other headphones do better. What open-back headphones didn't you like? What was your favorite closed-back headphone thus far? The Fostex design is really shockingly good for a dynamic design at minimizing inter-frequency distortion - bass can come through commandingly and musically while still presenting tops and mids to a lesser extent extremely clearly. AKG's open-back design is simply one of the clearest and most positional designs I've seen, is all. My fiancee is currently using her K701's, loves them, left the AH-D7000 for them, but she also had a phase where she couldn't stand the AKGs after having the Denons. I'm using them now. I had a TH600, gave it to a friend in anticipation of my Purplehearts arriving this summer. The TH-x00, d7000, and th600 are REALLY bunched very close together as to what they sound like - they sound more like each other than anything else sounds like any of them. Had a pair of K7XX for a short time, enjoyed them? Thought they were nice? But I figured a friend would enjoy them more. Sennheisers are nice, but I strongly encourage you to consider this drop instead, unless you're spending a lot more or unless you don't mind a rather veiled top end. What's your budget? Have you seen Fostex's new closed-back offering? The TR80? Or the Audiotechnica M50? (try to not get the S series, in my opinion.) What are you upgrading from ?
Sephirothkefka
0
Jul 23, 2016
rnrneverdiemsr7s are great. upper mids can sound harsh which is a common issue with these, especially with a mobile device. It's still existent somewhat with my essence stx. i can say that it isnt noticeable while playing doom.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 23, 2016
gusdn95They are a fully closed headphone.
Specs Massdrop x Fostex Closed-back design 50 mm dynamic transducer Magnesium alloy construction Ebony ear cups, brilliant gloss finish Leatherette ear pads, matte black Magnetic flux density: >1 tesla Impedance: 25 ohms Sensitivity: 94 dB/mW Maximum input: 1,800 mW Frequency response: 5 – 45,000 Hz 10 ft (3 m) thick, braided Y cable 1/4 in (6.3 mm) gold-coated stereo phone plug Weight, without cable: 16 oz (450 g) Weight, with cable: 20.5 oz (582 g)
Inabit
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Jul 23, 2016
ZedPottsBoy, I'd like to be your friend, especially for the trickle-down equipment effect. Also looking forward to the Purplehearts. Hoping they are the most "U" shaped of the wooden TH X00 iterations. That's why you buy Fostex BioCell. There are many other headphones to consider if you really want a flat linear frequency response.
Vitsya818
8
Jul 23, 2016
manimalspiritNot really its not fully closed although it looks like it is. Where the wood part starts there is a small gap less then 2mm, hence not fully closed.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 23, 2016
Vitsya818These are closed back. Not semi-closed. The best example are the Beyerdynamic series: 770 = closed 880 = semi-open 990 = open
echineko
196
Jul 24, 2016
manimalspiritNo, these are semi open. There's a bass vent all around the headphone ear cups. It doesn't leak much sound at all, very little In fact. But it's strictly not fully closed. There have been pictures posted by TH-X00 owners showing this more clearly.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 24, 2016
echinekoThey are a fully closed headphone.
Specs
Massdrop x Fostex Closed-back design 50 mm dynamic transducer Magnesium alloy construction Ebony ear cups, brilliant gloss finish Leatherette ear pads, matte black Magnetic flux density: >1 tesla Impedance: 25 ohms Sensitivity: 94 dB/mW Maximum input: 1,800 mW Frequency response: 5 – 45,000 Hz 10 ft (3 m) thick, braided Y cable 1/4 in (6.3 mm) gold-coated stereo phone plug Weight, without cable: 16 oz (450 g) Weight, with cable: 20.5 oz (582 g)
manimalspiritThe fact of the matter is that all the Fostex have a long vent running around most of the cup's base, which leaks sound in and out, do not buy these if you are after isolation. A proper closed back headphone has no vents and will give you much better isolation, like M50x.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 24, 2016
ShoghiSadeghiAfsharThey are still a closed-back design. They were not intended as semi-open. If they leak sound that is not by design.
gusdn95
16
Jul 24, 2016
ZedPottsThis would be my first "closed back headphone". I had bose Q25s but didn't really enjoy them for their sound quality, then bought the HD600. So this would be my like first 'audiophile' headphones, and I'm considering to spend this much because of my recent purchase of e-drums. I wanted to buy a headphone that I can use for all purposes like music, drum, and gaming, and this seems absolutely perfect for it. Whenever I listen to music, I like to be fully immersed in the music, and I think closed back headphones are perfect for that.
My budget for a headphone right now is around $400-$600. This is the first time I will be investing this much on a headphone, but I will be using that for all purpose and planning to use them for a long period of time. (Finger-crossed to LOVE these)
Thank you for the recommendation on TR80. I'm going to go look into that right now. But the design of TH-X00 is, i think, really unbeatable at this price point. It just hooked me into it!
gusdn95
16
Jul 24, 2016
manimalspirit
36
Jul 24, 2016
gusdn95Different headphones are like different tools they do different things and each one has advantages and disadvantages.
You seem to be doing three different things: making music, listening to music and gaming.
For making music you want reference headphones that won’t color to much what you are producing. For listening to music it depends on the genre and it’s often personal preference (what one thinks “sounds good”) For gaming I think a wide sound stage would be desirable and closed back headphones generally do not do that well.
A headphone that does everything well is usually expensive. The “Ether C” or the Audeze LCD-XC are closed backs that seem to do many things well. They are accurate, have good bass and a wide sound stage. But these generally run you about $1500. (And you probably wouldn’t want to use them while playing drums.)
Or you could have three different headphones: HD600 for gaming (you may also my want them for listening to music), TH-X00 for music listening and maybe a DT1770 or Focal Spirit Pro for playing drums.
P.S. The HD600 are considered a very good mid range audiophile headphone (Some even prefer it to the HD800.)
manimalspiritYour not making sense. Of course it is by design that they leak sound in and out, hence the long vent they were designed with, which leaks a lot of sound, by design, get it?? The vent is to lower the bass level (BY LEAKING IT) and increase sound stage size. A fully closed Fostex with no vent would be unbearably bassy and all the spacious sound stage that people rave about would be gone. They are not quite semi-open, but they leak enough sound that you may as well call them semi-open.
There are better options than HD600 for gaming, the K7XX would easily be a better choice. Also check out Sony MA900 (discontinued), and my personal favorite gaming headphone, the Sony XB1000 (long discontinued). Due to the huge ear pads there is a lot of air space between drivers and your ears creating ;arge sound stage despite being closed back, and the 70mm drivers create great localisation in that large air space, being a closed back is an advantage in this case due to the plenty of air space by the pads, because closed back creates better defined sound stage and easier localisation of the sounds in that air space, compared to open backs which might have an airier sound stage, but softer edges making localisation harder. Although Open back usually have better localisation than Closed back, the XB1000 is just an anomaly due to it's combo of huge ear pads and huge drivers, making closed back an advantage, it's bar none the best gaming headphone, second best is K7XX. Although MA900 modded (simple mod, open and remove foam on driver) are better than K7XX for gaming. (fyi, I do own all these headphones) and am a gamer obviously :) If you want a widely available closed back for gaming also check out the Sony MDR-Z7.
Eudis
42
Jul 24, 2016
manimalspiritThey can be closed back by nature, but it does need venting. I'm making my own mod to the THXXX platform and to get the best sound venting is needed. I can show you my measurements of how a fully sealed, isolating (as much the wood cups would let you) version of these measures on my rig. I sealed my EMU teak with th900 drivers in them at all vent points minus the cord outlet. THX00 would sound similar to these if fully seal and isolating.
They are not taughted as isolating closed back, so if they leak then they are not going against design. For this design, the closed back design is to have back wave reflection to not lose the mids. Specifically the lower and center mids. Not to isolate.
Edit: I'll show you anyways.
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Its the topmost yellow gold line
Not to mention very little sound stage, ridiculous bass thats muddy boomy and overwhelming and just ridiculous sounding with no control anywhere.
gusdn95
16
Jul 24, 2016
manimalspiritThanks! The only reason I resold my HD600 is because it had absolutely zero imaging. It was either left or right. It did no positional imaging for me. Yes they were very good headphones in terms of flat and accurate sound, but they weren't for me :(.
I would get the HD800 if I didn't get HD600. I was too disappointed with the open-back headphone and just want to try other company's headphones, and Fostex caught my eye.
I would get several headphones if i had the budget or will to, but I just want something that would at least do the job for my purposes.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 24, 2016
ShoghiSadeghiAfsharMassdrop x Fostex TH-X00 are a fully closed headphone. The accurate thing to say is that these are a closed back headphone that has some leakage, not that they are semi-open. Because they are not.
Specs
Massdrop x Fostex Closed-back design 50 mm dynamic transducer Magnesium alloy construction Ebony ear cups, brilliant gloss finish Leatherette ear pads, matte black Magnetic flux density: >1 tesla Impedance: 25 ohms Sensitivity: 94 dB/mW Maximum input: 1,800 mW Frequency response: 5 – 45,000 Hz 10 ft (3 m) thick, braided Y cable 1/4 in (6.3 mm) gold-coated stereo phone plug Weight, without cable: 16 oz (450 g) Weight, with cable: 20.5 oz (582 g)
I didn't say that that the HD600 were the best headphones for gaming. I was implying that they would be better than the Massdrop x Fostex TH-X00 as open back headphones have a wider sound stage. And he already owns the HD600. The best headphones I've used for gaming are the HD800 and the Audeze LCD-X (and I own both of them.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 24, 2016
EudisThe accurate thing to say is that these are a closed back headphone that has some leakage, not that they are semi-open. Because they are not.
Eudis
42
Jul 24, 2016
manimalspiritThats not really accurate though. They leak and attunate external sound closer to a semi open than a traditional closed back. I would be accurate to say that are closed back in design but semi-open in performance. Just 'some' leakage isn't all they do. Theres more to it.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 24, 2016
EudisMassdrop x Fostex TH-X00 are a fully closed headphone. The accurate thing to say is that these are a closed back headphone that has some leakage, not that they are semi-open. Because they are not.
And I am assuming that your arguments are based on your personal experience with these headphones.
Specs
Massdrop x Fostex Closed-back design 50 mm dynamic transducer Magnesium alloy construction Ebony ear cups, brilliant gloss finish Leatherette ear pads, matte black Magnetic flux density: >1 tesla Impedance: 25 ohms Sensitivity: 94 dB/mW Maximum input: 1,800 mW Frequency response: 5 – 45,000 Hz 10 ft (3 m) thick, braided Y cable 1/4 in (6.3 mm) gold-coated stereo phone plug Weight, without cable: 16 oz (450 g) Weight, with cable: 20.5 oz (582 g)
manimalspirit
36
Jul 24, 2016
ShoghiSadeghiAfshara good frequency
This is an uncompensated curve for the MA900, you're comparing it to a compensated LCD-X graph. Keep in mind you really need to compare apples to apples, that is a the graph from innerfidelity of your LCD-X notice the much different "raw" curve in grey, that is the line you need to be using when comparing the to MA900 graph
manimalspirit
36
Jul 24, 2016
ElectronicVicesCorrected.
There is nothing wrong with their frequency response, your complaining about a bass hump and a dip at 2khz for the XB1000? So what? Hardly deal breakers, that is expected given the huge ear pads of the XB1000 creating refraction and nulls, I personally can't stand the HD650's slow dark sound for example, which there is no way to tell from just looking at a graph, what the graph doesn't tell you about the XB1000 is that they sound great, have huge precise sound stage, and are excellent for games and movies, and fyi the XB1000 is actually bright despite that bass, easily brighter than HD650, you need to take into account spectral decay to get a better idea of the sound, frequency graphs are not enough. Also I did say you need to MOD the Sony MA900, which fixes the bass output, and fyi comparing frequency graphs from different measurement rigs is pointless as they vary greatly. You have a lot to learn.
What are you on about, we were talking about gaming headphones, not flagships, I never compared these headphone's to flagships. I have been into headphones for just about 10 years and have owned dozens of them, including a few flagships. Only the XB500 and XB700 were for bass heads, they didn't have great SQ. The XB1000 is in another league, and is not for bass heads, it is using the Sony 70mm driver that went on to be in the MA900 and later the MDR-Z7. The XB1000 has a balanced sound as far as V shape headphones go, it's bass and treble quantity is actually similar to TH600.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 25, 2016
ShoghiSadeghiAfsharyou know that
manimalspiritYour quite narrow minded. You keep mentioning the simple marketing term of XB, while I'm telling you how they actually sound. Have fun with your LCD-X for gaming, all you need is decent sound stage and good localisation for gaming, a cheap Audio technica AD700 will suffice, or even better K7XX will be just as good for gaming as your LCD-X.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 25, 2016
ShoghiSadeghiAfsharjust pursue excellence
manimalspiritI think your blinded by status and price of those headphones, I know guys that easily prefer K7XX over LCD-2 for gaming.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 25, 2016
ShoghiSadeghiAfsharI’m surprised.
manimalspirit
36
Jul 25, 2016
ShoghiSadeghiAfsharHoly fuck dude, chill.
Tobias44
19
Jul 25, 2016
manimalspiritHoly fuck dude, chill.
zbells
234
Jul 25, 2016
manimalspiritHaha, why are you comparing a sub-$250 headphone (Sony MA900), which is AMAZING for gaming and easy listening to a $1500 headphone? Obviously the LCD-X is better... I love my Jetta but I don't compare it to a Mercedes, cause that would be dumb.
PixelPusher21
139
Jul 25, 2016
You are a decorator!
aman1420
172
Jul 29, 2016
gusdn95Don't get the 600 for gaming. They have a relatively narrow soundstage for an open back and won't give you the positional cues you need. A cheaper and more viable option would be 598s. I can personally attest to the quality of their soundstage in regards to gaming, and you can pick up the SE edition for about $100 nowadays. 600s are fantastic for music listening - neutral and detailed out the ass - but gaming is not their strong suit.
ZedPotts
51
Aug 12, 2016
manimalspiritDefs not closed. Even with a good seal around your ears, no music playing, you can have a conversation with someone across the room like NOTHING.
ZedPotts
51
Aug 12, 2016
ShoghiSadeghiAfsharThe XB1000 was a joke without a punchline, is what it was. Not even close in sound quality to the TH600, regardless of its crazy high price. The XB1000 really wanted to be the JVC HA-SZ2000
ZedPotts
51
Aug 12, 2016
manimalspirit...totes semi-open. ^ ^
manimalspirit
36
Aug 12, 2016
ZedPottsMassdrop x Fostex TH-X00 are a fully closed headphone. The accurate thing to say is that these are a closed back headphone that has some leakage, Not that they are semi-open., because they are not.
Specs Massdrop x Fostex Closed-back design 50 mm dynamic transducer Magnesium alloy construction Ebony ear cups, brilliant gloss finish Leatherette ear pads, matte black Magnetic flux density: >1 tesla Impedance: 25 ohms Sensitivity: 94 dB/mW Maximum input: 1,800 mW Frequency response: 5 – 45,000 Hz 10 ft (3 m) thick, braided Y cable 1/4 in (6.3 mm) gold-coated stereo phone plug Weight, without cable: 16 oz (450 g) Weight, with cable: 20.5 oz (582 g)
PixelPusher21
139
Aug 13, 2016
manimalspiritThe accurate thing to say is that they are a non sealed, closed back "design" that are non-isolating due to the gap between the cup and the driver which makes them perform like a semi closed headphone. Source - Every review ever on this style headphone from Dennon to Fostex to EMU
manimalspirit
36
Aug 13, 2016
PixelPusher21Specs Massdrop x Fostex Closed-back design
ZedPotts
51
Aug 13, 2016
manimalspiritIt's not just "some leakage." It sounds really similar to not having something on your ears - the ported design is very very pronounced. They maybe obscure like 4 db
PixelPusher21
139
Aug 13, 2016
manimalspiritSpecs do not mean anything to the people who are asking this question. They want to know if these headphones isolate and they do not. Source - I own the mahogany already.
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