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Will
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Hello friends, welcome to our latest Massdrop collaboration announcement! From our first conversation with Fang, we wanted to work on an accessible priced, open back, planar driver headphone, based on the HE-400 line (HE-4, HE-400, HE-400i, HE-400S, etc). Initially, the conversation wasn’t going anywhere, but following the success of the HE-350 and RE-00, we started to make progress. In the year since those launches, we’ve worked closely with the team at HIFIMAN to develop the 4XX, based on the related Massdrop community activity. Here are some of the parts I’m most excited about:
HIFIMAN Planar Drivers - This is the tech that put HIFIMAN on the map. When reviewing planar magnetic headphones, most people talk about the speed of the driver and the low frequency “slam”. Speed (as a subjective term) generally creates a greater sense of realism; after you reach the point of diminishing returns on resolution, speed is (imo) going to have a huge impact on your experience. Through our collaboration, this technology is available at an all time low cost of $169.99. Focus-A Earpads - Earpads have a massive impact on the sound, and an even bigger impact on the comfort of the headphone. Unfortunately, we often have to compromise here, choosing a less comfortable earpad because it results in better acoustic performance. Focus-A pads are universally regarded as incredibly comfortable. Soft velour is the only material that contacts your skin, and the foam inside is soft to match.
New Headband + Colorway - Where HiFiMAN’s original headband design had some structural challenges (heavy materials, small contact points), they had a stylistic elegance few would debate (unless you’re a Float fan, then you get to complain). In working on this collaboration, we were able to bring back the original headband structure, while solving the construction problems cited in Massdrop discussions. The colorway is new as well, featuring midnight blue earcups with black accents throughout. Thanks for your interest and feel free to respond here with questions. That said, if the answer to your question is clearly stated in the description, I will apply a 10 day shipping delay to your next Massdrop order (jk but please read, our team spends tons of time making the descriptions as useful as possible).
This has been a great project and we’re excited to finally make the announcement : )
Aug 1, 2017
jdeoxys
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Aug 1, 2017
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Do these use the 400i driver, 400S driver, or something else entirely?
Aug 1, 2017
JacobR34
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Aug 1, 2017
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I have the 400s and the photo showing the planar structure looks identical to mine so I'd say 400s drivers.
Aug 1, 2017
ahanuban
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Definitely interested in hearing the answer to this. I have the HE400S and love them but build quality is not great. If these use the same driver I will definitely consider it.
Aug 1, 2017
The_Jniac
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Aug 1, 2017
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Looks to be 400i. Same impedance and Sensitivity.
Aug 1, 2017
Will
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Aug 1, 2017
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Per our agreements with HIFIMAN, there is a limited level of information we can share regarding the drivers. What I can say is, they hit our acoustic goals and they don't want us to talk about how. Take that for whatever you please, but we'll be posting FR graphs on the description shortly.
Aug 1, 2017
Astral_Abyss
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I'm going to say it's the 400i driver. The specs for the 4XX and 400i are both 35ohm, 93dB sensitivity, and even have the same Focus A pads. The 400S is 28ohm, 98dB, and velour pads.
Aug 1, 2017
Heefty
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@Will, Are the transaction servers ready for this one? I'm not going to be incredibly happy to repeat my experience with the HD6xx first drop.
Aug 1, 2017
Petronas44
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This is ridiculous can't give information about what this headphone is, shady as it gets, I've never heard of such nonsense before. People interested beware this looks like they threw together there worst driver with the worst headbands parts they had laying around shady, you can't give info out about the headphone your selling I really hope this site crashes and burns, this response and drop are disgusting.
Aug 1, 2017
luvmusik
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@Will Exciting new product. Since HiFiMan offers the 400"i" and 400"s" sets currently selling, can you please tell us how these new MassDrop HE4XX sound differently from each of those two models, with as much sound description as possible please ? With 3 model choices, it can help many sort it out soundwise in deciding between models. Thank you.
Aug 1, 2017
Vigrith
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Whilst @Petronas44 clearly has the wrong idea regarding how to go about this I'd like to pose the "problem" differently - two points to note before all else:
1. I love the way (most) Hifiman headphones sound. 2. I tend to dislike/disagree with the way they conduct their business and treat their customers.
Without going into too much detail, I as well as many others know Hifiman's had a few shortcomings when it comes to community outreach and customer care (the Susvara thing, the HEK thing, the other thing...), Dr. Fang is perfectly aware of this himself too - not telling people what drivers are inside the headphones they are trying to sell is really not the way I'd personally handle the situation. I'm sure plenty will still sell, hell I might buy a pair myself even though I own much higher end HFM headphones already, but still I feel like there is a lack of openness when it comes to their dealings a lot of the time.
I personally wouldn't go as far as saying they're shady, I've yet to be disappointed with their products (though some are not for me), but there is something about the whole dealio that people will feel irked by and for good reason. Would I like to know what kind of driver is inside of the headphones I'm buying? Yes. Do I need to? Not really.
If you can't get that information for your clients that's up to you, as said I personally don't mind much, I just think it may reflect poorly on both companies even if sales are left unaffected. Might be worth considering/debating with Dr. Fang and/or the HFM team.
Aug 1, 2017
Heefty
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It could well be that they're not sending this information along due to caring for their existing customers. I've read numerous times on other drops (HD6XX anyone?) where people who just bought the full shebang get on here crying because they bought the full priced cans and then found the the exact same thing on Massdrop for a much better price.
As seems likely in this case, Imagine you just bought the HE400S for $300 then got on here and found that they were selling the exact same driver with a little different hardware for $170. I'd guess you'd be a little angry about that. Not necessarily the same thing as the HD650/HD6XX thing since there are clear differences between the HE4xx and the HE400S, but I think you can see my point.
Aug 1, 2017
Will
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Aug 1, 2017
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I mean, maybe I'm trying to deceive the headphone community, or maybe our partner needed certain parts to hit our acoustic targets and wants to minimize backlash from their other retail partners.
Go back through every headphone collaboration we've launched and you'll see me explaining the details of the driver where our agreements allow for it. Interestingly, there are always people who make up their own stories. I'm particularly fond of the 50+ page discussion on Head-Fi around what driver is in the K7XX when we state in the first paragraph of the description that it's based on the K702 65th anniversary edition.
If you think I'm a bamboozler, that's up to you, but the historical evidence would suggest otherwise.
Aug 1, 2017
Petronas44
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I didn't say hifiman are shady it's massdrop hiding behind companies saying hifiman won't let them give out to much info that's the shady part you don't think so great throw your money away
Aug 1, 2017
Petronas44
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The 400s and I both have the updated headband this is old stock so there's your price difference and by the way I bought the real hd650 instead of 6xx willingly along with k712 over k7xx and paid more money for both if People want to cry about pricing thats there problem I highly doubt this is why information is being hidden or else it would have been the case with all there other collaborations but they didn't they gave away driver info because it's necessary I don't care about price but I sure would like to know what I'm buying
Aug 1, 2017
Will
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Hey Vigrith, thanks for your post! This is a great summary of the issue. Essentially it came down to a situation where we could pick two of these three things: hit the target price, hit the target sound, disclose what model the driver is based on.
We picked the two we felt would result in the best offering for the community. Is it perfect? no. I'd like nothing more than to share details on every part (we spend tons of time solving these hard problems with our partners and can rarely talk about it, kinda sucks) of our collaborations, but to make these releases possible, we have to compromise.
Responses like yours help the issue. By summarizing it in a civil fashion, you've created a post we can share with HiFiMAN and try to convince them it's worth the risk of sharing. I've gotta run to a meeting but thanks again!
Aug 1, 2017
Petronas44
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Think I might have replied to the wrong person but sry for the confusion I don't think hifiman are being shady I posted that about massdrop hiding behind hifiman as a company to not show us the info. And if it really was hifiman that doesn't want specs shown there would be a dam good reason for it think about it it's not just because price difference because these are not 400i or s look at the headband.
Aug 1, 2017
Petronas44
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Hello FRIENDS deception ENGAGE!!!!!
Aug 1, 2017
Petronas44
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No you didn't description was about k7xx driver info we took what everyone liked about the k701 k702 65th anniversary and k712 and put that all into one headphone, which was laughable joke
Aug 1, 2017
gb21011971
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Can you please use proper punctuation? This word salad is really hard to read.
Aug 1, 2017
AudioNinjaphile
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Well said.
Aug 1, 2017
Quigimon
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Aug 1, 2017
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Never hear of a non disclosure agreement? In instances like these an infraction to that agreement can end in punitive damages including but not limited to inability to cooperate with massdropin the future. If it's a good manufacturer, we lose. Yes it's $170. Sure it would be nice to know exactly what you're getting. But if they said they can provide you with what they can; pushing the envelope on the matter isn't going to get more information.
Aug 1, 2017
Petronas44
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Can you please [moderated] in [moderated] thank you
Aug 1, 2017
Petronas44
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Yea just like pushing the envelope on the price of the hd6xx wasn't going to get it lowered oh wait it did work and tons of people saved 50 dollars so don't be a sheep and complain until you get what's right
Aug 1, 2017
Quigimon
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Are we talking specs or price? Help me out here.
Aug 1, 2017
Petronas44
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Just specs
Aug 1, 2017
Petronas44
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Really I don't even want the specs myself I know I don't want these I think it's bullshit to tell a customer oh I can't tell you if these are just another headphone that you already own or dislike wrapped up in an uglier package, that's the fucked up part of this
Aug 1, 2017
bharker
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They made a post about upgrading their infrastructure since the first HD6XX drop. The second drop went without a hitch.
Aug 1, 2017
Quigimon
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I get it but also working in spec sensitive departments where NDA's are a thing. They are usually strong enough to discourage breeching. Essentially at those points a lawyer is required to walk the tightrope of the terms. Obviously bringing in a lawyer any time there's a question isn't feasible. So the usual best course of action is a safety net of little if any disclosure. It sucks but in these situations I just avoid the unknowns and keep searching for the deals. It's a gamble, could miss a great deal or could dodge a disaster.
Aug 1, 2017
RShack
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I don't think you're a bamboozler... but you must admit it would be a great handle... maybe The Great Bamboozler? If nothing else, it would do wonders for your legend ;-)
Aug 1, 2017
Derhosenstein
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The last sentence says it all . I want to know what I am buying. If the seller won't tell me it sends up a red flag. I don't think that is an unreasonable initial response. Intellectually I know you know that withholding information to sell a couple hundred lemons is really bad business so I don't think that is the reason. Talk to the manufacturer and ask them to let you release the information. If they say no I wouldn't do another drop with them.
Aug 2, 2017
Airosmithx
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Will they ship internationally?
Aug 2, 2017
Zimtron
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And you expect people to buy these based on that response?
What a joke.
Aug 2, 2017
Petronas44
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Who are you a salesman for massflop it's very simple your going to sell something be clear about what it is would you buy a car if the salesman told you well the manufacture said I can't tell what engine it has or really anything except the other cars this manufacture makes are really just great!
Aug 2, 2017
audible
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hahaha yep! that's some high-functioning crazy skills right there.
Aug 2, 2017
Petronas44
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Never "threatened to quit" once before please show me were I have and by the way I did already but go try to do it yourself you can't just close your profile you have to put in for a request to close and I did do that right before I posted that and am still waiting for any email response so have nice night [moderated]
Aug 2, 2017
Petronas44
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[Removed]
Aug 2, 2017
audible
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You see, it wasn't a threat, he really did quit, but he's acting like a dick for our own good. that doesn't sound crazy. not at all.
Aug 2, 2017
Petronas44
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Clearly I'm trying to get them to respond quicker and delete my account info but until then [moderated]
Aug 2, 2017
audible
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It's like the death throes of a wounded animal. I hope Massdrop has the heart to put him out of his misery soon. poor little thing.
Aug 2, 2017
heysplangy
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the only thing you are "disgracing" is yourself if that's even possible anymore.
Aug 2, 2017
NeverPaySticker
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Is there any sizing info you can share? I'm looking at the headband and concerned with the adjustable size. The Sennheiser HD5xx - 6xx line fits within the last two notches on me personally.. but it's hard to tell the sizing of this Hifiman one. I'd hate to buy these and have the cans sitting out at a 45 degree angle on either side of my head because they won't reach. ha
Aug 2, 2017
Heefty
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The second drop wasn't nearly as popular. The initial price was offputting enough that it trickled at the start as opposed to the first where 5000 units sold out in a matter of minutes. I'm expecting this drop to be popular as well.
Aug 2, 2017
staticoverdub
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If you found your way in here, then you must be able to find your way out.
Your concern has been addressed by a previous comment and the ignorant consumer rage is not flattering.
Sigh.
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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I have both of those and will gladly pay more for the real deal. I also like to know what I'm buying and what warranties I'll recieve. I don't have any Hifiman phones, but I've read good things about the 400s. I'd want that. I wonder how this compares to the Monolith 1060 and if it has had any affect on Hfm. Anyway, It looks like a nice phone for a good price.
Aug 2, 2017
dwane5
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did u read the write up? 1 yr warranty
Aug 2, 2017
JimMorrisonsLiver
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Let him have his opinions. Nobody mentioned politics, so keep it civil (even though some people will try not to). Disagreements happen and it's okay.
Aug 2, 2017
Motorrad
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opinions? he's not expressing opinions. He's just a vile, bitter loony trolling for attention. Politics? WTF are you even talking about?
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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Just wait, they'll drop it again and if they dont, it wasn't good in the first place. I'm not getting up at 6am and then wait for bad Santa.
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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M1060 5 years.
Aug 2, 2017
gb21011971
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No need to regurgitate in an open forum, but thank you for your suggestion to do certain things to myself. Given the apparent human physical limitations, this might be difficult to accomplish. However, judging from your abundantly revealed psychological profile, you might have ample experience in this field.
I made my earlier comment, because I truly think your comments are incomprehensible. Yes, sign of the times (I will heed JimMorrisonLiver's advice not to get political), but if you want others to take you seriously, then you have to stop the verbal incontinence.
Cheers
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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Unfortunately, I've seen this before. Deals with the devil and the devils in the details or lack of. I do think md thinks they are bringing a great deal to the table. They can't possibly forsee all the issues, which I'm sure can be disheartening. Live and learn. I guess people want to know what they are buying. Who knew.
Aug 2, 2017
Quigimon
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An incredible accusation, however I am not. It's really simple. Don't like it don't buy it. They don't tell you what it is. Don't buy it. Don't want to gamble a purchase for an unknown item. Don't buy it. As the mod said, it falls within their specs for concideration. Not good enough, don't buy it. It really can't get much more simple than that. But showing your ass for the community to see because the mod wouldn't accommodate your request. That's comedy right there. Thank you for accommodate fun and interesting thread.
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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Civil this time.
Aug 2, 2017
Quigimon
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I mean this is a place for deals. Sometimes there are sacrifices to the product to accommodate these prices. The irony here is that massdrop acts as an intermediary purchase agent. The polls guage interest. Then m/d calls the manufacturer and says I can drum up an order for X quantity of product. What options do we have. They use that purchasing power to bring us items they think we might enjoy. Through that purchasing power we get to enjoy deals on products that may be amazing or may be crap. But wither way your still not usually paying full price for it.
Aug 2, 2017
gasmaskdude
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Hi Will, thank you and mass drop for setting up this drop, please ship internationally. Pleeaaassseeee (UAE and others deserve t too).
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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Believe me, your paying full price. Either in quality or wait time. Everybodys making plenty of money. The real issue here is that this is like buying the bluebox surprise thingy and no one wants to be surprised,especially if you already own it. Maybe they should have stuck it in a bag and said this is our $169.99 Xmas surprise. That could be fun. Anyways, kinda entertaining reading some guy go crazy. Maybe he's had a glass of wine and gone to bed. Or maybe it was too much wine. Hopefully he'll feel better tomorrow. Peace.
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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Personally insulting someone who has a valid point, only aggrevates.Thats kinda looney.
Aug 2, 2017
Motorrad
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Phht. When that clown has a point valid enough to warrant his bile, I'll let you know.
Aug 2, 2017
Rejjy
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Any idea whether shipping will be available to Singapore? And if so, will it be affordable?
Aug 2, 2017
simon--poole
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It could also potentially be a new driver intended for use in other products in future, so they don't want to harm sales of those products.
Aug 2, 2017
Vigrith
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http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/massdrop-x-hifiman-he4xx-measurements-and-impressions.4815/
Read this thread. If you don't know Marv then I guess you have no reason to believe him but I do. I agree HFM should divulge the driver but I also have no issue believing this will be a good pair of headphones for the price.
Aug 2, 2017
Adamus
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It is very likely to be old classic he-400 driver...
Aug 2, 2017
dwane5
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sounds like they corrected the design flaws of the 400 line. if u take care of headphones they will outlive u. but i get you 5years is better than 1. but 1 is better than nothing
Aug 2, 2017
Kresterz
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@petronas44 Why be such a big cynic? If you don't want them then don't buy them
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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True, it looks like a good deal. Whatever the driver is, your probably get your $170s worth.
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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Thanks, looks good. I looked at the 650 comparison graphs and they look good. I think folks would get their $170 worth, especially if they've never had planar before.
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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There you go again.
Aug 2, 2017
Motorrad
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That's so cute that you are so excited about headphones now!
Aug 2, 2017
Elsid
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Isn't it? Sometimes a little research can change your mind. I'm glad when others can get something they can enjoy at a good price. Someone made a good point:"This could be a new driver". In which case, if it were, you would be one of the first. Wow! Open minds continue to learn. Peace.
Aug 2, 2017
Philimon
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HIFIMAN is known for their shady marketing and pricing tactics, and their lack of control quality. But$170 is probably competitive here as far as sound quality, so good deal.
Aug 2, 2017
geemoneybe
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Flagging this. English may not be your first language, or there is another issue, which is fine and understandable. What isn't is that sort of language.
Aug 2, 2017
Will888
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I agree his comments about HiFiMAN is unwarranted.What shady marketing are you talking about?.
Aug 2, 2017
gardibolt
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I have the 400S and while I'd be interested in trying out a Massdrop 400i (despite the Massdrop 350), I can't see any point to a 4XX if it's the same as the 400S; I can only wear one pair of headphones at a time.
Aug 2, 2017
Vigrith
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They're not the same, at the time of my post that wasn't known yet (to me at least) but now it is, read more about it here;
http://superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/massdrop-x-hifiman-he4xx-measurements-and-impressions.4815/page-3#post-153979
Would it be worth buying if you already own the 400S? Questionable, that's up to you, all I mean to illustrate is that they're not identical drivers to any of the ones in HFM's current production models.
Aug 2, 2017
CoffeeOtt
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What...are you talking about? The HD6XX are blue 650s. that price difference, first off is over a hundred dollars. Get off whatever beats inspired high horse you're on and stop eating paint chips man. Let people have things.
Aug 2, 2017
geemoneybe
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The one where s/he tells gb21011971 to "go f_ck" his or her self in their "diseased a_hole". Sure seemed inappropriate to me... 23 hr mark. I replied directly to it, not sure why my comment ended up down here.
Aug 2, 2017
gardibolt
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The 400S are really quite wonderful for classical music; nice soundstage and detailed sound. I did a shootout on head-fi of a number of mid-fi headphones on classical music and the 400S came out the winner with the most lifelike sound overall. Among those it beat out were the Oppo PM-3 and the AKG/Massdrop K7XX. If the 4XX is anything like that this is an insanely good deal.
Aug 2, 2017
Heefty
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Care to share what the acoustic goals were?
Aug 2, 2017
CoffeeOtt
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Hah, it's like a YouTube comment. B*tch Lasagna and all that
Aug 3, 2017
Elsid
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What makes you an expert? I've read your stuff. Always picking a fight over some ones opinion. You want to show me some more pictures. I'm sure they will impress. I dont judge people by the content in their home, I judge them by the context of their character.
Aug 3, 2017
TanvirK175
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Honestly just ignore him. That guy seems worse than Petronas44. At least Petronas is arguing for something, albeit in the wrong way. Motorrad is just looking to pick internet fights. Probably bored with nothing to do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Aug 3, 2017
eguan88
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looking at frequency response graph, it's likely to be a 400i driver.
Aug 3, 2017
Volly
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Well said mate!
Aug 3, 2017
Je_Saist
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I kind of wanted to step in and give my own take on how I'm reading this thread. I'm a few years removed from having considered myself an audiophile; most of my earned money goes to paying down medical bills for Glaucoma and a Nerve Injury. I'm not dropping hundreds of dollar's on high-end Oxygen chip sound cards; Via Envy mixers; or amps and subwoofers that can make the Earth quake from Teminite bass.
That being said; I try and keep an eye on what falls into my budget for audio products (e.g.; not a lot). Careful shopping netted me some Velodyne reference headphone's a while back; which I love to death. However, Velodyne's not making headset's anymore; and tender loving care can only keep well-worn headphones going for so long.
So yeah... I want a Planar Magnetic headset. I've never had one... I've heard a couple over the years including some from HifiMan... but the $250+ entry point for Planar Magnetic is just more than I can justify for something that is basically a luxury item.
So... let's say that these headphones from Massdrop ARE just a re-branded HE400i... that's still massively under HifiMan's MSRP of ~$450.... and still ~$70 off the current sale summer price from HifiMan's webpage ($250).
Let's say that Massdrop did get that $170 price-point by offering to solve some of the infrastructure problems in getting buyers the headsets. Let's say that Massdrop did get that $170 price-point by guaranteeing a minimum number of headphones sold.
Let's say that these are the worst headbands that HiFiMan had sitting around in their warehouse coupled with the worst driver's HiFiMan had sitting in their parts bins...
Let's say all of that was absolutely true.
Does it really matter to anybody actually buying here? Does it really matter to somebody who just wants to hear what a Planar Magnetic could sound like before investing hundreds of dollars?
No. No it doesn't.
Is it shady that Massdrop is not openly specifying what drivers are actually in these Massdrop-Made tagged headphones? As a buyer now invested; the potentially shady aspects did not matter one bit. I saw the proposed price-point that Massdrop was offering; browsed over to Amazon; and did a quick comparison of what $170 could get me there; and sure... I could in-fact beat the listed specifications that I knew about... by buying used.
I decided that this "Drop" was worth the risk to buy... even if it was the lowest performing product HifiMan had to offer; because it's still a better price-point even assuming the worst headband with the worst driver's HifiMan has to offer.
Aug 3, 2017
simon--poole
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I don't think people are arguing the value but the quality. With the QC issues from both Massdrop and HFM I'm not willing to purchase what looks like (I suspect) to be refurb OG HE-400 drivers, especially personally outside of the states making warranty returns a nightmare (like they aren't even there).
Aug 3, 2017
Je_Saist
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Aug 3, 2017
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so... you're basically admitting... based on previous history... it's probably still no worse than buying a used or refurbished product off of Amazon.
And trust me; I've run into the no warranty returns issues buying cheap. $170 might be cheap for planar magnetic headphones; but that still is a LOT of money. It's quite a gamble.
Aug 3, 2017
simon--poole
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Aug 3, 2017
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Yes, and having bought "certified refurbished" from Amazon I've had to return 4/5. I imagine there will be second drop for these, so I'll wait for people's impressions. Or if the stock lasts long enough for some of the big reviewers (Jude, Marv) to post more detailed reviews. Frequency graph measurements from them look great but....yeah, QC.
Aug 3, 2017
Motorrad
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What makes me an expert? It's the internet! Haha. Even you can be an expert. Oh...and years of design and studio experience, but that shouldn't matter here. Phht. Picking a fight over someone's opinion? Pictures? Content of their home? Nah. Wrong guy. I'm the guy who makes a point of calling out sanctimonious aholes. If you are attempting to defend petronas, you are on the wrong side. Any opinion he may struggle to form does not warrant his vile remarks. Anyway, I think I had you confused as well. Not that I don't like to pick the occasional fight, but I do try to pick wisely. Petronas was a wise choice...and this goes across multiple topics.
Aug 3, 2017
TanvirK175
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Maybe it wasn't obvious but in the specific comment you replied to, he's using the second drop off the hd 6xx to further his point. What he said was, through community backlash, we were able to reduce the price of the second he 6xx drop from 250 to 200 so if there was enough backlash on the hifiman 4xx, maybe we could get hifiman to allow massdrop to disclose driver details.
Aug 3, 2017
Motorrad
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In the wrong way...that's really the point...and yeah it was a bit personal over several forums with the petronas clown. Maybe you didn't catch that because his vile comments were removed by MD. Probably bored with nothing to do...right backatcha! heh.
Aug 3, 2017
OldTomBombadil
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Aug 3, 2017
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Can these be balanced driven?
Aug 3, 2017
MrBreakfst
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Aug 3, 2017
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I find it hilarious that this post is in this thread. An upvote for you!
Aug 3, 2017
TanvirK175
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Well yes, you definitely have a point to be made. I did notice the comments were removed and if things like "go fuck yourself" are actually allowed was discussion, I can only imagine it was something very derogatory and definitely uncalled for. But eventually you just have to step up and be the bigger man. Petronas has a lot to learn in the art of debate and I completely understand his point but his delivery was way off. I've read all the comments so yeah you're right haha! I was up through the night cause I couldn't fall asleep and so I read through all the comments on this post so I could see if these were worth it. Ultimately I decided not to purchase since I have the 6xx's coming in near the same time. I'll wait til user reviews are out and the second drop before considering purchasing again. My main reason for telling Elsid to ignore you though is because you seemed to take the heat from your discussion with Petronas and also aimed it at her. Very easy to do while in a heated debate and an understandable mistake but it continued on for more than one comment. In my opinion, it seemed kinda aggressive. Just my two cents on the matter.
Aug 3, 2017
CoffeeOtt
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Aug 3, 2017
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ohhh, I didn't catch on to that at all. Thanks for the clarification
Aug 3, 2017
Elsid
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Aug 3, 2017
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Oops, I did it again. Sorry I replied to the wrong person. It happens,
Aug 3, 2017
Elsid
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Oops, Im sorry! That was meant for MOTORRAD.
Aug 3, 2017
TanvirK175
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Lmao no worries
Aug 3, 2017
OldTomBombadil
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Thanks! I do my best to avoid the shitposts altogether
Aug 3, 2017
Elsid
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Well, I diffenatly got confused between the lines, however, in the beginning of the blog, patronis? was upset and made some very valid points and then your initial comments to him were personal and really set him off. Maybe you have history with him. I dont know. Personal and demeaning comments are disrespectful to the whole community. ( Im also guilty).In writing, we can't see each others expessions or hear inflection in someone's voice. You dont really know me, and I dont really know you, so if we can keep personal comments out of the discussion and only comment on the deal at hand, it would run much smoother. People are allowed to have an opinion without being attacked. So, lets start over and keep it nice. Sincerely.
Aug 3, 2017
Motorrad
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Ha. That was a bit pedantic but Ok...I assure you he was 'set off' long before any (justifiable) comments I may have made in his direction.
Aug 3, 2017
Elsid
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Maybe they arent divuldging the identity of the driver because it's new. It could be a test run on a new product. Then, we would really be the lucky winners. Awe, Isn't speculation fun?
Aug 3, 2017
Elsid
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I read that. It was really good! If I remember correctly, you had a hugh amount of phones and quite a few people to listen. That must have taken a lot of time and dedication. Thanks!
Aug 3, 2017
Elsid
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That reply wasn't very convincing. I know I had run on sentences. I'm only trying to make Peace . I forget what pedantic means, so now I have to look it up. However, I'm sure it was another unnecessary personal statement. I will try no further. Spam.
Aug 3, 2017
sloowhand
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Aug 3, 2017
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" I really hope this site crashes and burns" Really dude? Sounds like someone needs a nap.
Aug 3, 2017
ElectronicVices
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Aug 3, 2017
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Honestly it more than likely comes down to cannibalization of Hifimans current line up. They don't want to lose margin on their own line while people wait for the next drop to happen here. Same reason some company's straight up refuse to have sales. If people know they can wait and save money on something.... many will.
Aug 3, 2017
sloowhand
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Aug 3, 2017
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" Can you please go Fuck yourself in your diseased asshole thank you "
Again. Dude. You're getting way too emotional about a pair of headphones. Especially when you're not even going to buy them. Go lie down. You'll feel better after a nap.
Aug 3, 2017
hyp36rmax
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Aug 3, 2017
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The price you pay is time. This is basically a crowd source production meeting an MOQ to fulfill the target price. If a person chose to buy an HE400 series set of cans then that's under their own discretion. It's really not any different to seeing a retail model go on sale 30 days after you bought it even if it is a large price cut. Although there are slight differences between the two HP's that we know of they should be happy to have a pair well in advance.
Aug 3, 2017
Audiam
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Aug 3, 2017
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I own HE-500's (Amazing) and the previous Massdrop/HIFIMAN HE-350's(Meh), and am still buying these... it's $170.00... but, that said, I have a problem with buying audio equipment.
I'll probably end up giving these out as a gift to someone who I feel is a budding audiophile, but I NEED to hear what they sound like when compared to my HE-500's.
I am excited - Thanks for offering this drop!
Aug 3, 2017
Shure
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Aug 3, 2017
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I think it's a very big mistake not to be transparent here , sends the wrong signal unless your more explicit and there's a really good reason!
Aug 3, 2017
TanvirK175
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Lolwut. Did you really feel so threatened you needed to make a new account? Gg kid.
Aug 3, 2017
sloowhand
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Look dude. I know it makes you feel like King Baddass to tell people on the internet to "choke on a dick and lose your life" or whatever. I get that. But no one has any other reaction than to sigh and roll their eyes at you. Because we all know that you would never say this things like that to people in real life. You probably don't say much of anything to real people. Comments like yours just demonstrate to anyone reading them that you probably get picked on a lot. You probably get bullied a lot and this is your way of getting back at the world. Again, I get that. But you're really not doing yourself any favors. You're just making it worse for yourself because you're just reinforcing in your own head that this is the only way you can feel like a tough guy which makes you feel even weaker in the real world and makes you permanently angry. This isn't going to help you make friends. This isn't going to help you get a girl to like you. It's just going to drive them further away. Work on yourself and being a better person and that will make people like you. Good luck. I wish you the best.
Aug 3, 2017
sloowhand
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Yeah, that's kinda my whole point. You're not pissing anyone off. At most you get a sigh and an eye roll. And why would you so much effort into pointlessly pissing off strangers on the internet? You are clearly a very lonely person. I wish you well.
Aug 3, 2017
TanvirK175
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You would think parents would think twice about giving their 12 year old a computer without parental guidance. Sigh...
Aug 3, 2017
MikeyBikey
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Aug 4, 2017
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The response curves look just like the 400S to me ... http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE400S.pdf but physically in the body of the old 400 with the new cables.
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Aug 4, 2017
Supersport
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Aug 4, 2017
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Yup. shady for sure That they can't talk about the driver used. No info. No money.
Aug 4, 2017
audible
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Aug 4, 2017
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Welcome back Petronas!
Aug 4, 2017
Motorrad
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Aug 4, 2017
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jeez. I thought we were laughing at ourselves now. All I meant was that you don't really have to explain yourself to me. I get it. Peace was made. In other news...Petronas is back... with a vengeance. Still trying to figure out this business about me posting photos of stuff I own...
Aug 4, 2017
Motorrad
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Yes, Petronas, that makes sense. Please go on about all these pictures of "stuff I own", it's VERY fascinating.
Aug 4, 2017
Elsid
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Aug 4, 2017
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Cool. I dont know. Some confusion. Well, it looks like the phones are selling pretty good. I look forward to the reviews. Off topic: Anyone going to totality for the solar eclipse? I think we're going to Tennessee for a couple of days. 8/21 . Should be like a massive Woodstock within a 70 mile radius from the west coast to the east coast. Wear your glasses!
Aug 4, 2017
Elsid
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Aug 4, 2017
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Booze or drugs. Detox and rehab.
Aug 4, 2017
Elsid
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Aug 4, 2017
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Couldn't piss off a fire hydrant. Sad Dog.
Aug 4, 2017