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bossusa
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Aug 3, 2017
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Just get hd600's..nothing beats 600's at this price range
Aug 3, 2017
GalvoAg
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Aug 3, 2017
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Except HD600's are $100 more...
I like Sennheiser's as much as the next guy but they're not the end all be all.
Aug 3, 2017
Astro_Seven
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Aug 3, 2017
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Are these any good? You don't know. Unlike the 600 series, these are an unknown quantity. If you want to gamble, get these. If you want certainty, get the Sennheiser.... And you can get the HD6xx right here for just $30 more.
And if you want an end all, then you'll have to spend more money than a HD600. But for the price, they are tough to beat.
Aug 3, 2017
Vigrith
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Aug 4, 2017
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http://superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/massdrop-x-hifiman-he4xx-measurements-and-impressions.4815/
I'd hardly call this a gamble given the comparisons and measurements in this thread. Of course not everyone knows about the reviews being put out because they're hard to find for people who don't know where to look but still, these are no longer an unknown quantity and haven't been for a couple days now.
PS: I like the 650s and the 600s (less so).
Edit: https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/MassdropHiFiMANHE4XX.pdf innerfidelity too, Tyll is about the most qualified person this hobby has to offer.
Aug 4, 2017
Astro_Seven
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Looking at the measurements and actually hearing the headphones in person are two different experiences. Measurements don't tell you the complete story and can even contradict what you hear. Moreover, based on those measurements, tell me, what is the imaging and soundstage like?
Aug 4, 2017
Vigrith
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I can't tell you what the soundstage and imaging is like, which I'm assuming you are aware of and just trying to be patronising. The soundstage on the 6xx line is sub par at best (coming from someone who's favourite headphones [not best sounding] are the good ole 650s), having owned both 400i and 400S models in the past for extended periods of time I can confidently state soundstage will be satisfactory at the very least if one were to enjoy 600s. Imaging is also perfectly acceptable for the price within the 4xx line.
I am perfectly aware measurements and actually hearing the headphones is completely different, as said if you're trying to be patronising you really don't have to/shouldn't be - there are at least 5 or 6 reviews out now of people saying they enjoy the way they sound as well as providing measurements, it's not all numbers and charts if you actually care to read the remainder of the reviews (both on SBAF and IF, there are written summaries of how they perform on a human head).
All I was doing as pushing forward a counter argument and what I got in return was absolutely nothing of value, no offence, what I posted was meant to be factual rather than devolve into a paranoid and pointless "measurements are meaningless" discussion. The dude wanted to know if these are good, I'm providing him with material to judge that for himself as best he can rather than telling him these are a complete question mark like you did - if he doesn't want to trust measurements and/or reviews of qualified people within the community that's up to him, as it is up to you.
If you want to wait till after a headphone has been out in circulation for a while that's up to you, I do that all the time, it's the best way to go about purchasing without auditioning (which I cannot do where I live).
Aug 4, 2017
Astro_Seven
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As of right now, where are the reviews for these headphones? Where is the consensus that these are any good?
Do the measurements tell you about the quality and texture of the bass? If the treble is grainy or artificial sounding? I'm merely pointing out that you're pushing a pair of headphones based on insufficient data and without firsthand experience. You offered a counterargument. So did I: Unless money is not an issue, don't purchase headphones based on measurements--they don't tell you the complete story.
Aug 4, 2017
WhichwaydidheGo
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Aug 4, 2017
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He provided you with the sources of his information. SBAF and InnerFidelity both have quick reviews with measurements and listening opinions. SBAF even has simple mod recommendations already...
No he doesn't have first hand experience (neither do I for that matter) but he IS providing a somewhat educated opinion.
Why are you being negative about them? Where is your review of how bad they are?
Aug 4, 2017
Astro_Seven
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Calling them an unknown isn't a negative comment... isn't calling them bad... but neither is it calling them good. I have no critique or review of them. No negative. No positive. Not good. Not bad.
Tyll gave an impression, not a review, but he did include the word "strident" when describing them, in comparison to the 600. In fact, over at SBAF, they're already modding a pair to reduce this stridency.
And again, measurements aren't sufficient as I've already explained.
I said my piece.
Aug 4, 2017
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