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can you guys help me out? i'm really struggling here, i'm a complete newbie and am trying to decide between these and the beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro (250 ohm) as it stands my equipment is pretty sparse, i only have the fiio E-10k, AKG702, sony MDR-7506 and a decent soundcard in my PC... as it stands i find the AKG's to be a bit to airy for me and find myself wondering if the E10K is doing a good job of powering my phones..... anyways...
which set of headphones between the 660 pros and these would be a good place to go next as i'm trying to discover my own personal preference, i think what i am going for here is a radically different sound that what I've experienced so far, so i can have a good reference/idea of the spectrum of sounds in the different types of headphones...
what do you think would be the best jump to get a metric? should i move into a orthodynamic headphone or jump into a closed back 660 pro type headphone? i'm really struggling, like alot...as without hearing any of these different ones myself i really have no idea what to make of the various forum posts and videos out there...research is doing nothing for me at this point.
P.S. what do you think of my amp for my choices of headphones and can you suggest better around the $200 price point?
i'll be forever grateful for just a few responses here, i'm at my wits end. :( ... :)
DT 770 Pros are BASS CANNONS! They are still my go to movie 'phone because you can really feel explosions and the like. They have scooped out mids and very aggressive treble. People complain about the 990 Pros having sharp treble but I feel the 770 is sharper. These also isolate A LOT, more than any other headphone I have tried, in fact. If outside noise is a problem with your typical listening environment I would highly recommend the 770. I have tried them with my E10K that they drive them alright. That's the upper limit ohm wise what that amp will drive though.
These HE4XX look like they are going to be more neutral and less sharp treble. These also aren't going to isolate AT ALL. HiFiMan planars are about as open as headphones come, especially if you mod them and remove the grill and/or dust screen. I have an HE-400 but everyone's consensus is that the HE-400 and 4XX don't sound very alike. Maybe someone with a experience with the HE400i or S could chime in. With that being said planars sound different than dynamics. A little more detail and a smidge faster. I also feel that planars tend to be more amp picky so it's difficult to say exactly how they will compare.
So, in the end, you will have to choose between BASS and planar sound. If I were in you I would probably go for the planar first unless you know that you are a basshead. I'm a basshead and I love planar sound so both headphones have a place in my collection.
As for amps, if you are going to stick with dynamics something like a DarkVoice 336SE OTL tube amp would be a good option. But since tubes aren't great for most planars getting a hybrid or solid state amp are a good choice. The Schiit Magni and Vali are both solid options but it should be noted that my first gen Magni is bright and bass shy. They may have tweaked the sound with version 2, I'm not sure. I hope that helps. Let me know if you have specific questions and I will try and answer them as best I can.
So the original HE-400 is still the best for electronic music, with that v-shape??
How does the dt770 sound compared to the original HE-400 for bass and treble sparkle in electronic music?
The DT770 is far better for general electronic music because it can deliver that bass thump much easier. The original HE-400 has flat, well extended bass but the treble is so much louder that they come across as bass light. They aren't v-shaped.
The DT770 treble can be a little sharp and grainy at times but rarely has sibulance that plagues the HE-400. When the lead singer is singing a lot of S's in a song that's all you are going to hear with the HE-400. The HE-400 can shine with a high power amp that can bump up the bass like the ifi iCAN SE but that doesn't do anything to help the sibilance.
Don't get me wrong the HE-400, even with its flaws, is a great headphone that came out at a time when a large surface area, mass produced planar was a the fever dream of a madman for most companies. I feel it is at least partly responsible for the rise of good, cheap planar sound (this drop wouldn't exist without it). However, the HE-400's relative lack of bass makes the DT770 the clear winner for electronic and other bass-centric music. Sorry for the roundabout answer. I hope it helps.
Thanks for the detailed answer. What about dt770 vs v moda m100 for electronic?
maybe the HE-400 is basslight for some, but isnt it the bassiest of the HE lineup? Reading reviews, people say the HE400i and 400s dont have the bass of the 400
I have never heard the M100 so I can't really comment with confidence about it. But looking at the response curves for it it looks like it rolls off a lot after 150hz. Doesn't look like there is much treble which is very unlike the DT 770. I like to hear the treble sparkle in my electronic music, but your tastes may vary.
The HE-400 (https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE400.pdf) has similar bass levels as the 4XX (https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/MassdropHiFiMANHE4XX.pdf) and 400i (https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE4002014.pdf) but the 1k and 10k spikes on the HE-400 make it so I have to listen at lower volumes that if it was flat which, in turn, make the bass seem less, to me at least, especially since it's prone to being sibilant. However, with that being said, I have not personally heard the HE400i or the HE4XX so this is speculation based on the response curves. Sorry I'm not more help with these comparisons. It's hard when I haven't heard all of them.
The 400i has a dip in the mid bass region, because of this they sound clearer across the spectrum. The Fostex mk3 on the other hand, has more mid bass than the 400i.
I'm in the same boat. Did you ever learn about any good amps for under $200?
not for under $200 but I've been told the schiit lyr2 is a great do everything amp with it being a hybrid amp it should be able to do a bit of everything and work across multiple sets of cans.... i know it sucks that it's dam near $500 but we got to realize what it is we are asking for..... a do it all product, those tend to get pretty spendy... another one to mention might be the little dot mkIIISE but that's just a guess on my part, i've actually been told by a number of people the lyr2 is a great amp to cover all sorts of cans and iem's..... wish i had the dosh.