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I have a question I'm looking to make a purchase. I want a headphone for gaming on Xbox one and casual listening from my phone/laptop I'm looking at the massdrop 58x, these HE4XX, seinheiser 6xx and lastly the audio technica 500x which would be the best option for me I need easy to drive gaming/casual headphones for fps games.
6xx for the best soundstage and imaging, which is most important in gaming, but they're relatively hard to drive (schiit stack at the minimum for +$200). He4xx would be the best easy drive option and would sound even better with as little as a Fiio e10k or a Schiit Fulla(~$80).
HE4XX are way harder to drive than HD6XX: 93dB/mw HE4XX compared to 103dB/mW on HD6XX. Don't confuse sensitivity (loudness reached given certain power supplied) with impedance (electrical property). Most solid-state amps (like those embedded on consumer electronic devices like smartphones or laptops) deliver more power under low impedance loads (not gonna explain here), that's why most people confuses high impedance headphones with low sensitivity headphones. But if you use an OTL amp, for instance, it'll deliver much more power under high impedance loads, thus low impedance headphones would be harder to drive in this kind of amps.
On the other hand, soundstage and imaging on HD6XX are not spectacular. These are great for relaxed listening, but not too good for positioning and analytical listening. For huge soundstage and great imaging, AKG K700 family is way better (K701/K702/Q701/K7XX...). The AKG have comparable impedance and sensitivity to the HE4XX, so they're almost equally "easy to drive".
I would get the HD58X. As Eli35 said: You will need an additional amplifier for the HE4XX and the HD6XX because they require a lot of power to sound loud and good.
The Audio Technica 500x would be a worse sounding headphone imo, plus I personally always disliked the comfort on Audio Technica´s headphones but that could be down to headshape etc.
So yeah, the HD58X would probably be best for your needs (at least out of the ones you mentioned).
Alternatively you could consider the Beyerdynamic DT990. They are less than 150$ (at least in EU) and are regarded as one of if not the best headphone for gaming. I have them and I also can confirm that. For music listening they are great as well with nice base and highs and a really wide soundstage. But you have to watch for their impedance (for example 100ohm). The 80ohm one would be ideal and is also cheaper.
But as Eli said, K7XX etc. are great as well. Dunno what music you listen too but the K700s are pretty neutral which can be a great thing too. The DT990 are a bit more fun imo. But again thats all personal preference.
Have to agree with Eli here... for plain xbox use without amp, the k700 family would be better. However if you pair it even with a simple amp, the 4xx are gorgeous!
I mostly agree with you, Beyers are a great option here too, specially the 80ohm that probably sound loud enought from most sources without a dedicated amp. However, as a M50x owner, I have to say that after replacing the stock earpads these are another great option if you want some isolation: they have decent soundstage, great bass, bright treble, and are super fun to listen. They're not hi-fi by any means, they lack a lot of clarity, but they're fun as hell to listen, durable and comfortable with proper pads (I had Brainwavz pleather and sheepskin leather, both great but leather feels better and makes me sweat less in summer).
I had the M50X too and can completey agree with you on the sound and I think that other pads will really improve the comfort of these. So this would be an awesome value as well.
Thank you so much for the help do you play fps games with your Dt 990 I'm trying to hear footsteps and such.
If i have an k7xx, should I get the HE4xx?
Yes I do and you can locate everything really well :D
Thats mostly due to the DT990s open design that gives them a wide soundstage. Plus the tuning is also ideal because they are very very clear (which can get fatiguing when listening to certain gernes of music for long sessions)
Just to clarify you are talking about the regular Dt 990s because I see the pros and such I even see a studio and monitor version of the 80 ohm set
The DT990 and DT990 Pros sound the same. The DT990 Pros are apperently a redesign of the very old original, so only aesthetical differences there.
Haven´t heard of any specifically named studio monitor version yet, maybe you mean the DT1990 or some website only calls the DT990 like that because they are often used in studios.
I don't see any 990s in 80 ohm only 32 on Amazon if you have any links or website to the 80 plz share
I think jesse04030 made a typo, as I don't believe there is an 80 ohm version of the BD DT990, or perhaps he was referring to the DT770 80 ohm one.
Only 32, 250, and 600 ohms exists for 990s.
Oh yeah, sorry. Thought there was the 80ohm version of the DT990 too but 32ohm is fine as well.
They're very different, K7XX has huge soundstage and amazing imaging but it's too analytical for some people's taste (lacks some "musicality" and bass impact), while HE4XX is a entry-level planar with a reasonably good frequency response curve, not too much detail but fast attack (planars are usually faster than dynamic drivers). I'd say, for classical music, analytical listening/studio monitoring or competitive FPS gaming K7XX are the best, for the rest probably the HE4XX are better. But it also depends on personal preferences, audio is subjective and what some people finds better might be worse for others, so YMMV.