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These have to be assessed on a value to cost basis. Given what was paid these are an excel,ent second tier audiophile headphone. Was surprised given their ohms, they need a little more power than that provided by the average smartphone, Irregardless great mid range, with a lesser bass output. But a very wide and deep soundstage; especially with classical music. A reasonably priced DAC would go a long way in getting the ultimate from these headphones. But a loss leader at $170. Like them for specific music.