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View Full Discussion Hi everyone,
i’m trying to understand the “Halo” switches.
my Favourite switches are Topre and mx-clear but i find mx-clear to be a tad to heavy.
But i like the tactile scratchy tactile feel the give.
i tried comparing mx-clear vs Halo Clear vs “Halo True”
(last one reminds me of StarTrek, Romulan language “Jolan tru” hahahaah...
Yah i’m a bit of a trekkie...
so even comparing the mx-clear with the Halo clear designed to be like the mx-clear i see differences in my case i think for the best at least if you like the tactile feel of mx-clear but find them to heavy and i think i'm seeing something that can be understood as lighter..But the “Halo True” is supposed to come close to Topre switches.?? i have the FC660C and do like it because it’s lighter than my FC660M mx-clear.
in order to understand and be able to place these switches in regards to feel my question is can someone explain how these three numbers relate to feel and translate to mx-clear for example..
The graphs are awesome and the measurements HaaTa takes is impressive to say the least.
But i can't interpret the numbers For example these 4 numbers ..
1) Tactile Peak Force
2) Actuation Force
3) Bottom-Out Force
4) Spring force
mx-clear link; https://input.club/the-comparative-guide-to-mechanical-switches/tactile/cherry-mx-clear/
Halo Clear link; https://input.club/the-comparative-guide-to-mechanical-switches/tactile/halo-clear/
Halo true link; https://input.club/the-comparative-guide-to-mechanical-switches/tactile/halo-true/
Maybe my thoughts will help you. I've spent way too much time thinking about why I like the feel of Ergo Clears. You may relate (especially since you said that you like the scratchiness but I'll get to that later). I have to agree with Zeal in that Clears do tend to feel inconsistent. The MX clears on my Planck have quite a bit of variation in feel relative to one another even after tweaking them with krytox. That got me to thinking about what I like about those and whether Zealio's would be better. I have some Gat browns and although smooth didn't have the bump I was looking for. I picked up a Zealio switch tester with all 4 spring weights. The conclusion I came to out of this exercise is where the numbers come into play. My conclusion is that the aspect that I most like about Clears is what I like to call Floor Fallout. It's that sudden and rapid decrease in resistance after reaching the top of the bump. I also found that on the Zealio's my perception of the bump feel got less the higher the spring weight even though Zeal's stems are all the same design. I believe this is because the ratio of the resistance provided by the stem and leaf spring vs the switch spring decrease as the spring weight goes up. I think this is also why I too initially really liked the scratchiness of clears, not because of the scratchiness itself, but because of the extra resistance it created. "What does it all mean Basil?" I look for two things in those graphs. 1. What's the difference in gf between the peak of the bump and the following valley, and 2. over what distance does that occur? In my opinion, the steeper the better. Looking at the Halo Clear graph, if my leaf spring/switch spring ratio theory is correct, if you swap out the Halo Clear spring with a lighter one the press line will end up steeper and more approximate the release line which as you can see is steeper. Take all of this with a grain of salt as a great deal of it is rooted in my own empirical evidence. But if you notice the Zealio graph is much steeper between those two points. I hope this helps you bit.
Here you go, view the Topre folder: https://plot.ly/~haata/
The Halo Clear is heavier (need more force) to overcome the bump, but the True needs more endforce for bottoming out the key.
Something else to keep in mind (I just learned the other day from eapdang) is that if you notice both Halo's look the same. The only physical difference between the two is the spring. The stem is identical so the differences in force graphs are being driving totally by the switch spring. I find it amazing how the spring affects the bump appearance. You may be able to find a lighter spring that creates a feel that suits you. Of course that is still a roll of the dice, but may make you decision between True and Clear easier.
i did notice both Halo graphs had the seem curves ;-)
My current conclusion is Halo is so different from what i currently use / have that i can’t speculate how they would feel..
The mx-clear (Leopold FC660M) and Topre 45g (my Leopold FC660C) are so different from the Halo switches.
here’s the comparison i tried to make.
Cherry MX Clear
Input Club Halo Clear
Input Club Halo True
Topre 55G RealForce
Topre 45G Realforce