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just received this today. My first impressions are that it's a gorgeous board straight out of the box. I have issues with how rough and inconsistent the finishes are on the stock keycaps, even though I like the font and wish there were more options in that sense. It's somewhat of a shame for a keyboard advertised as being everything you need straight out of the box. Haven't tried out much yet, but I love the aesthetics. I regret not getting the Halo Clears honestly, especially in light of the recent drama, but it's overall a lovely, solid feeling board.
Complaints: Mine came with 2 End keys. Will upload photos later, but for $200, I'd expect to at least have all the keycaps in the proper places...
Mind share what drama it's about?
Just reference to the semi-recent dispute over who actually had rights to Halo switches, and Input Club no longer being able to produce switches for their boards (this is what happened, to be best of my knowledge). I don't know if there'll be another chance to get Halo switches, which is why I regret not getting them earlier.
Oh, I didn't hear about the halo switch debacle. So, that is strike two! Strike one was the whitefox. When is Input Club going to learn that massdrop has no qualms about f'ing over their vendors.
They are making new ones right now. Supposedly better ones. That’s what the Whitefox will come with.
Also, 99% sure you’ll never see IC use MD again.
I've heard about that, but I was under the impression that they would be entirely different switches. Either way, it's still going to take a while for them to actually be engineered and produced, won't it?
Also, I wouldn't really be surprised if something happened like Massdrop taking over manufacturing Halo switches without Input Club's input, but I don't really know the specifics of their contract. It just sounds bad all around for everyone involved, really.
Well IC owns the name Halo. MD owns the tooling. I’m sure MD may produce more of these but I’m super excited for IC’s new switches. They’ll be better IMO. I think they’ll be ready aroujd January I believe?
That tooling can easily be reproduced for about $5k. Assuming that IC has the CAD files, I could have this done in about a week.
Well IC is literally just folks like us. Just a collection of a handful of guys/gals that like keyboards. So maybe $5-$10k isn’t something they can do currently. Or maybe there’s additional legal things with MD that prevent them from doing so. Either way their new switches will be amazing in sure. I’m excited for my Nightfox.
They should be able to finance the tooling with a low interest loan easily based on their market presence alone. Either way, my point is that massdrop's ownership of the tooling is no big deal. Massdrop really doesn't want to sue anyone. If they open that can of worms, their exposure to class actions would be a lawyers dream.
Hearing Andrew@inputClub go on and on about the keycaps on Top Clack episode 8/24/2017 i would have thought they would be perfect..
i'm starting to doubt them reading your comment.. that's not good at all.
Ha, I didn't even think of that! Massdrop support sent me a reply that they'll deal with it starting weekdays, but maybe I will keep both my End keys for that joke alone.
They have this weird anti-microbial coating since they're from Tai Hao, so I'm going to try to soak them in isopropyl alcohol later today to try to remove it. I really do like the font and look of them on the K-Type otherwise, so hopefully that'll fix it when I get around to it. Don't lose hope just yet!
I thought Tai-Hao stopped doing that
I'm not really sure since I haven't bought any of their products, but it's the answer I got from a friend that somewhat makes sense. If it's not something that'll easily come off, I guess I'm just stuck with these for a couple weeks until I can get new keycaps. :/
I haven't either but I remember reading they had a lot of complaints and stopped using it
What happened with the White Fox? I keep hearing this brought up but in none of the discussions can I get a clear answer as to what forced it over to kickstarter to begin with.
i tweeted your comment to inputClub (if you don't mind)..
Here is their response..hmmm
It's all fine, I don't mind the tweet. I actually just got a response back today from Massdrop support saying that they would either let me send back the board for an entirely new one, or just send back the board and give me a refund. Apparently there just aren't single keycaps, so I'll just keep my 2 End keys for now.
what a waist of resources having to send back a keyboard for just one keycaps. !
How are they going to do that for us living en Europe ?? Shipping fees And not to mention custom fees.. say i return mine who is going to refund me the $70 customs fees ??
btw just out of curiosity do you in the US pay anything above the $200 ??
Nope. Just the product price and whatever shopping comes out to.
It's confusing that they don't seem to have extra keycaps, but that does sound like a pretty major issue for shipping to anywhere outside the US. We don't have to pay anything beyond shipping in the US, but that must be a problem for people in Europe if Massdrop can't just send a single keycap in an envelope. :/
California and New Jersey have to pay sales tax.
don't know if i should like or dislike that..ahahaha depends on your views.
i believe if the product was build / designed by those that live in a certain country than i can understand tax giving back to the community that helped design & build or what ever related to the product. But being european this board has nothing to do with us ,so asking tax is just wanting a piece of the pie / skim from the top hahaha...EU did nothing to make this a reality so why do they deserve $$ ..ahh well that's just me..