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Msilverhammer
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Dec 2, 2016
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You have to wonder who selects these items.
Look and read carefully, as these pads are made for the Hobbits of the World, well almost.
More like Dwarves! LOL
But probably even not wide enough for a Dwarf!
Unless you are 5.11" or less, these pads will not work well for you.
I am taken aback that there was ZERO Long and Wide offering on these pads, as I guess they think that everyone is under 6 feet tall, and thin as a rail.
Excuse me if I have missed something, but I see no long or wide offerings!
Dec 2, 2016
Stepbystep
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Dec 2, 2016
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MsilverhammerYou seem to have missed the entire development and introduction of these "new" ultralight fabric pads from Klymit and Massdrop. These have made a lot of people happy even with the more-or-less standard narrower 20" width, but currently that is all they are available in. Lots of talk about a wider version and it looks like both companies were receptive to it, so that should be introduced sometime soonish according to Danny's comments here. I personally know that a guy here locally who is I think 6'2" loves his that he got on one of the summer drops of this pad.
Dec 2, 2016
Msilverhammer
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Dec 2, 2016
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MsilverhammerMaybe he's happy, but not me!
I guess that you just have to have used sleeping pads on a daily basis to know what works for you.
Dec 2, 2016
Vajtagal
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Dec 4, 2016
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MsilverhammerPeople who value weight savings. People who go ul or sul are willing to give up a little width to hike lighter.
Dec 4, 2016
Msilverhammer
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Dec 4, 2016
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VajtagalHey, their choice, but if you are 6.3" like me, then either your feet or your head, or perhaps both are hanging over the edge.
A little move to the side, puts you on your tent floor.
Believe me, after awhile, a larger sized person will be thankful for the extra length and width, and a good nights sleep in the field.
Perhaps they just need to toughen up a bit, so they can carry more weight?
Dec 4, 2016
Vajtagal
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Dec 4, 2016
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MsilverhammerFeet are easily solved by putting your pack or extra clothes under your feet. I do. Perfectly comfortable. As for getting tougher , you're missing the point. We carry as little weight as possible while still staying comfortable and safe not because we're weak wimps, but because the lighter the pack, the better the hike. New products like these let us drop a lot of weight. I'll always hike smarter, not harder. I can hike longer, or tougher trails. And feel better at the end of each day. And still sleep well. Adding width or length would take the pad out of the ultra light realm. Klymit and Big Agnes and Thermarest and others make wider, longer pads. Get one.
Dec 4, 2016
Stepbystep
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Dec 4, 2016
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MsilverhammerDon't take this the wrong way, but rather than dissing this product here on Massdrop that clearly doesn't meet your size needs, maybe you should consider buying the Therm-A-Rest Neoair X-Lite or X-Therm in their larger sizes that will accommodate you better in both dimensions. Klymit does make some larger pads but they are not this pad and aren't currently on a Massdrop drop...they are considerably heavier than this or the Neoair pads, though. The newer Big Agnes Q-Core SLX might be another option as well, and it's a little thicker - have not really heard any feedback on those over the last year since they were introduced but supposedly they improved the couple minor problems of its predecessor. Or, perhaps be patient and wait a bit to see what larger size Klymit and Massdrop will be introducing for this ultralite model in the near future.
Dec 4, 2016
Msilverhammer
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Dec 4, 2016
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StepbystepWe'll see, and I have used the other pads you mentioned.
Also, wondering why they don't make something in your size is not considered dissing.
I never questioned the quality, which would not be dissing either if the quality was poor, just the sizing.
Take a look sometimes at outdoor clothing and gear reviews, just to see how many individuals complain about improper, inadequate, or incorrect sizing.
Hey, If a smaller shorter person likes this pad great, but all I am saying is make one for those of us who are taller, and wider.
Dec 4, 2016
HubeyDoobyDoo
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Dec 4, 2016
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MsilverhammerWider and longer models for the Massdrop and Klymit collaboration are on the way mate. This was a testing the waters type product. So financially less risk to make one offering than many. Wider and longer pads exist over at kymit.com for you to check out.
Dec 4, 2016
Vajtagal
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Dec 4, 2016
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MsilverhammerThere are plenty of longer, and or wider pads available. Just not here. It may not cross the fine line into dissing, but sure is complaining. Klymit makes a pad called the Luxe. It sounds like that model fits your size needs. It comes in an unisulated and insulated version. If you want a long or wide light pad the neo air has those sizes. Masdrop is not a department store, nor is it Walmart. It is a community that offers specific items that will sell well, thus the price drop. Im not a rsil and far from weak.But will always take the opportunity to lighten my pack.
Dec 4, 2016
Msilverhammer
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Dec 5, 2016
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HubeyDoobyDooGreat!
Thanks!
Dec 5, 2016
mdonkers
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Dec 7, 2016
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MsilverhammerJust received my regular Klymit Static V Lite Insulated Sleeping Pad today. This is not the special Massdrop version. I definitely made the right choice. At 6' 220lbs, I look about the same on the standard 23" version as this guys looks in his review at the 8:30 mark on smaller Massdrop version.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBTrJti27No
Hoping it works well in my hammock!
Dec 7, 2016
Msilverhammer
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Dec 7, 2016
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MsilverhammerProbably OK for a hammock, as it will be harder to roll of the pad, but I believe that Klymit, or another manufacturer, makes a special sleeping pad with wings on the side, just for hammocks.
You can see hat this guy is straining to keep his head on the pad, and his head is off the pad and tilted downward, causing the blood to rush to his head.
His feet are off the pad too, and if he moves just a little in the middle of the night, he is off the pad as shown in the video.
So yes, good quality material, but sizing is important, as it will aggravate you after awhile, if the pad is not the right size for you.
Again, if you are 5'11" and maybe 6' or less, this regular pad should be good for you, unless you are a wide body, type of build.
If you are 6' 1"and up to 6'6'' then you need a longer and wider pad, especially if you have a larger and wider build.
The extra width really comes in handy for side sleepers, or those who move around at night.
A narrow pad will have you on the bottom of your tent, and give you the constant feeling of being jammed on your pad.
Some are worried to death about the extra weight, but to me, not a bid deal, as I am OK with the few ounces in weight difference versus the extra comfort and stability that the long and wide mat provides.
Dec 7, 2016
Msilverhammer
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Dec 7, 2016
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MsilverhammerOh...one more thing, the inflation.
THey need to make a self inflating version, or something like the Schnozzle bag like Exped has for their mats.
They need to make a self inflating version, or something like the Schnozzle bag like Exped has for their mats. daily basis, plus in co you can fill your pad with condensation that freezes.
Believe me when you are tired, you just want to get to sleep, not inflate a pad.
Dec 7, 2016
warriorscot
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Dec 8, 2016
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VajtagalMassdrop works by request, if you don't ask you quite literally don't get. All hikers will reduce weight where possible, but all hikers also have different areas where they are willing to compromise or not compromise, for many people that's the sleep system. As someone that's over 200cm I don't have a problem with a 3/4 pad if needed, but 180s actually a fairly small length for a supposedly full size mat and it's in the annoyingly just too short category as if you are going short you want it properly short the mid way makes it fiddly.
That being said there is an argument to be made that the length and width combination can be intentional. Someone at 180 or less is likely to be able to deal with a 20" width just fine, somone over that at 190-210 even if they aren't massively well built will still be quite likely to be over 20" shoulder to shoulder so would find it hard to get a good nights sleep especially in winter where rolling off is punished harshly.
Dec 8, 2016
Raggs
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Dec 8, 2016
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MsilverhammerVajtagal and Stepbystep, you are spot on.  Let me add that everyone hikes their own hike.  What is good for one person is not good for another.  The thought here Msilverhammer is to find gear that works for you at the lightest possible weight for your money.  An example is you wont ever find me in a bivy shelter but you will find me all night long under a tarp.  It works for me but may not for the bivy lovers.  I respect their choices and I expect them to respect mine.  Personally I use a short pad and use my pack under my head.  That way I can guard my goodies and I get a nice pillow out of the deal.  So Msilverhammer, the task is to find the lightest pad that works for you whether it is here or somewhere else.  Request it here, it might happen.  Peace Out Bro...........Raggs
Dec 8, 2016
Msilverhammer
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Dec 8, 2016
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RaggsI thought that was what I have been saying, how come I'm not "spot on"?
Using your logic, what is not good for me is a short and narrow pad, but a long and wide one works well.
You just stated that everyone hikes their own hike, right?
It seems that my choice, or preference is not that respected here, or at a minimum challenged and criticized.
As far as weight goes, yes you're probably right that it is an important factor when one is backpacking, but again, some hikers are shall we say wimpy, and some less wimpy, so the weight bearing down on each person affects them differently.
But hold on a minute...what about kayaking, canoeing, car camping, or when using pack animals.
It is pretty selective to think that sleeping pads are only used in lightweight backpacking.
Weight is not really a gigantic factor for the aforementioned other types of outdoor recreation within reason.
I'm not worried about anyone entering my tent and stealing my pack, so it goes off to the side in my tent, or under my hammock, but I have used my dry bag full of clean clothes as a pillow.
Hey, I can find long and wide sleeping pads at Exped, Big Agnes, Thermarest, and others so that is not the problem.
I only started this thread because I was wondering why a short and narrow pad was the only size available for the Klymit/Massdrop sleeping pad, since there are a lot of us in the 6' + height range.
Some of us have basketball player bodies, some football player bodies, and some of us could wrestle in the WWE, so we would like to have something that fits us well, just like our shoes , shirts, and pants.
Do you wear boots that are too small for your feet? No, I didn't think so, so that is basically the point.
If they ever make one, I might be interested if the price is right.
Keep Calm and Ranger on!
Dec 8, 2016
Stepbystep
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Dec 8, 2016
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MsilverhammerNo worries. Hope you find something you like someday. I'm a little confused as to how 72" suddenly became "short" in the world of pads. Traditionally, across brands, that has been "large" or "long". Short would be the old standby 48" pads, if you don't include the shorter 36" torso pads. 20" has been a defacto standard width for years and years, but with today's crop of air inflatable pads that often feels a little narrower than the same width in foam self-inflating pads. I think until Klymit introduced their 23" width model, all we had to choose from was a standard 20 and a wide 25. Tall people need the tall stuff, but let's not blur the definitions that have been around for decades. :)
Dec 8, 2016
Msilverhammer
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Dec 8, 2016
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StepbystepThis is a sleeping pad, not the Holy Grail, so someday is not really an issue, as one can find sleeping pads at hundred of outdoor gear retailers on a same day basis, etc.
As I think I have written seeral times, I was disappointed that the Klymit/Massdrop sleeping pad was only made in the shorter length of 72", or 6 feet, and 23" or 1'11" wide.
I would like the Klymit/Massdrop sleeping pad in a 76" to 78", or 6'.4" to 6'6" length, and 26" to 30", or 2'4" to 3'.0" wide.
I actually like the (Long and Wide) Klymit Static V Luxe, as it fits the bill, in insulated, or uninsulated models.
https://www.klymit.com/static-v-luxe.html
Heavier yes, but very comfortable.
Hope that clears things up, and please do tell me and everyone where you found your definitions for sleeping pad lengths and widths.
Dec 8, 2016
Msilverhammer
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Dec 8, 2016
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mdonkersI would have purchased the Klymit Hammock V for use in a hammock!
https://www.klymit.com/hammock-v-1.html
Dec 8, 2016
Raggs
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Dec 9, 2016
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MsilverhammerHike a long trail and what you value and need will become clear as a bell.  Raggs
Dec 9, 2016
Sassinator333
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Dec 28, 2016
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MsilverhammerSounds like you're a little thin skinned and lazy. Maybe you need to toughen up and just blow up your pad.
Dec 28, 2016
Msilverhammer
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Dec 28, 2016
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Sassinator333I thought you got the memo, we recently held a meeting and everyone decided that they didn't care what you think!
I hire people like you to blow up my pads, and other things!
Dec 28, 2016
Sassinator333
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Dec 28, 2016
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MsilverhammerCool story.
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Dec 28, 2016
Raggs
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Jan 4, 2017
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Sassinator333Sassinator333-- I'm telling you your breeding is showing.  Take your "Fat Ass" comments somewhere else.  This is a mature discussion.  Msilverhammer deserves a  comment that is well thought out and accurate as well as informative.  Obviously you cant provide that.  Raggs 
Jan 4, 2017
Sassinator33
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Jan 4, 2017
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RaggsCool story "Raggs"
Jan 4, 2017
Raggs
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Jan 4, 2017
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Sassinator33Welcome back Sassinator33--  I personally use a gossamer gear short pad at about 5 ounces and have never used the Klymit pad.  I sometimes think that I would like to have a longer pad and would carry more for the comfort.  You can go too far in UL weight savings.   What do you use personally and what do you really think of this offering from MassDrop? 
Jan 4, 2017
bhauski
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Jan 18, 2017
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MsilverhammerUnder 5'11" is the median height for adult males.
Jan 18, 2017
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