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jscrub
May 18, 2018
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erickong
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Mech Keys Moderator
May 18, 2018
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you have your opinion. i have mine. i bought canvas to cover my contra. I think he is good at designing. Laser was very successful so obviously people like his stuff.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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erickongAnybody can make these designs. Mito is riding a hype train.
In 10 years keycaps will be just like any other consumer product and mito will have profited greatly on injection molded nonsense.
But I'm not here to stop him, just speaking my mind after being fed up with the community hype.
In 10 years keycaps will be just like any other consumer product and mito will have profited greatly on injection molded nonsense.
But I'm not here to stop him, just speaking my mind after being fed up with the community hype.
tectonicplate
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubIt’s easy to say, “anyone can do xyz…” but until you’ve walked in those shoes, you’re just talking shit. But you are right, Mito is riding a hype train… a train he’s built with a lot of blood, sweat, and tears. Maybe consider following your own advice… go design a keyset that gets people this excited… then come back here and remind us how silly we are.
TomKazansky
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May 18, 2018
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jscrub"Anybody" ?
NO! I cannot.
if you think you are capable then try it. there is "profit" right? so it would worth your time.
if you think you are capable then try it. there is "profit" right? so it would worth your time.
MiTo
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MiTo
May 18, 2018
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jscrubI think you are spending your time and energy by going into the internet to criticize what people you don't even know prefer to do with their hobbies and spare time. If you don't have more important matters to attend to, then the only advice I can give to you is to try to leave your confort zone, be more civil and level headed when interacting with others. Surround yourself with negative energy and it will only cause your harm.
Zambumon
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Zambumon
May 18, 2018
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tectonicplateAgreed, Laser wouldn't be great at all if it wasn't for all the behind the scenes work. This requires a lot of cordination with companies, other community members, and friends. Laser had many collaborations: Mousepads, cables, 6 artisan makers (which Mito sent samples), novelties were designed, color troubleshooting, new legends... That's a lot of work.
Anybody can make a keyset, but if you want to do it perfect, it takes a lot of work.
Anybody can make a keyset, but if you want to do it perfect, it takes a lot of work.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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tectonicplateEverybody has an opinion, the fan boys will appreciate your hard hitting reporting.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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ZambumonYou ever add up the group buy totals? The effort it takes doesn't go unrewarded.
Zambumon
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Zambumon
May 18, 2018
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jscrubYes, I've logged how many hours I've spent with Nautilus, and they were a lot. I've replied to thousands of comments, take my take writing a FAQ, model my own keyboards (some of them based on real ones), model keycaps, and recreate the cherry legends, design the novelties by myself, render over 200 shots with multiple layouts, built a webpage from scratch, contact cable maker, lots of talk with Yanbo and GMK. And then, wait over 9 months to reach the GB stage, solve doubts after the drop ended. And personally thanked one by one on reddit to everyone that got their set because it makes me very happy to see people enjoying something I've been a part off.
I can assure you that all the guys that I have met, some of them I was lucky enough to meet in person, that have done any project take a lot of care for this and they work they ass for these projects. People like Oblotzky, Mito, T0mbery, Livingspeedbump, Novelkeys, Matt3o, Rama, Wilba or Tokyocoffeenerd to name a few.
The effort it takes gets rewarded, of course, but needless to say it's a lot of work.
This drop might look effortless to you, but behind the scenes there's lots and lots of work and a lot of previous work that gets unnoticed. Mito gets the recognition and Massdrop's trust based on his work ethic and this wouldn't be possible with PuLSE R2, Godspeed, Overcast, Sci-Fi, 3Run, Canvas, and XDA Godspeed.
I can assure you that all the guys that I have met, some of them I was lucky enough to meet in person, that have done any project take a lot of care for this and they work they ass for these projects. People like Oblotzky, Mito, T0mbery, Livingspeedbump, Novelkeys, Matt3o, Rama, Wilba or Tokyocoffeenerd to name a few.
The effort it takes gets rewarded, of course, but needless to say it's a lot of work.
This drop might look effortless to you, but behind the scenes there's lots and lots of work and a lot of previous work that gets unnoticed. Mito gets the recognition and Massdrop's trust based on his work ethic and this wouldn't be possible with PuLSE R2, Godspeed, Overcast, Sci-Fi, 3Run, Canvas, and XDA Godspeed.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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ZambumonSo you're an ultimate fan boy and have no idea the logistics to running a company and are impressed mito was able to start a company?
Doesn't mean much to me, this is still a hype train and mito delivers pictures of food with some neat looking plastic.
You can try to get your butt stuffed by the Andy Warhol of keebs, but I'll stick with the community and stay away from the super star dick sucking...
But to each his own, the fact you are so defensive is a representation of my point. I know, purple is a really cool color and Mito is the only boy for you!
Doesn't mean much to me, this is still a hype train and mito delivers pictures of food with some neat looking plastic.
You can try to get your butt stuffed by the Andy Warhol of keebs, but I'll stick with the community and stay away from the super star dick sucking...
But to each his own, the fact you are so defensive is a representation of my point. I know, purple is a really cool color and Mito is the only boy for you!
badbraind
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May 18, 2018
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You don't have a job or school work? You need medication and/or a life bud.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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badbraindWhere'd you make those assumptions from? Also, what business do you have worrying over my opinion? Get a life bud.
badbraind
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubThat is sad. Long acting intramuscular anti-psychotics would be my recommendation. You need to be sedated.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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VigrithIt is amazing the extent to which people's butt gets hurt over something that has nothing to do with them.
You spent a lot of time on my Facebook, this is all public information. If you want to assault a guy because you disagree, have at it.
You spent a lot of time on my Facebook, this is all public information. If you want to assault a guy because you disagree, have at it.
Vigrith
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubIt's almost as though people shouldn't assault each other on the internet just because it's not real life and nothing can come of it. I wonder what point I was trying to make.
As you said, public information, as is what you've written here about Mito (could've been about anyone else).
As you said, public information, as is what you've written here about Mito (could've been about anyone else).
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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VigrithQuite the effort you went through to make your point...
Thank God we have warriors like you to search Facebook. The hero we all need but don't ask for.
Thank God we have warriors like you to search Facebook. The hero we all need but don't ask for.
Vigrith
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubTook me 5 minutes, you misunderstand - I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm strictly attacking you if anything.
It's just the ole classic - don't throw stones with a glass roof; you're calling someone a pedo publicly for no reason in what is arguably their place of "work" (figuratively). What's the difference between that and me calling your place of employment and making them aware of your less than professional behaviour in an environment you deem irrelevant?
It's just the ole classic - don't throw stones with a glass roof; you're calling someone a pedo publicly for no reason in what is arguably their place of "work" (figuratively). What's the difference between that and me calling your place of employment and making them aware of your less than professional behaviour in an environment you deem irrelevant?
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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VigrithThis is an open forum. I gave my opinion. If you think that warrants calling a place of business to report an employee, go for it.
They will be extraordinarily confused and we will laugh about it for years to come.
They will be extraordinarily confused and we will laugh about it for years to come.
Vigrith
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubDoes how seriously America takes "freedom of speech" really impair people's judgement this much? How, or since when, is you calling him a pedophile and saying he creeps/grosses you out because of the way he dresses qualify as a valid opinion that you'd wanna share on a public forum?
I could hypothetically say you're clearly overcompensating by acting big on the internet because the reality is you're 5 foot 130 but I'd never resort to personal attacks even if that were my "opinion" because that's just not how you treat people no matter where you are or what the situation is - even when they were incredibly rude to begin with (which Mito was not, anyone can report your comment and have it removed if the mods deem it so).
PS: laying the exchange to rest here, point has been made.
I could hypothetically say you're clearly overcompensating by acting big on the internet because the reality is you're 5 foot 130 but I'd never resort to personal attacks even if that were my "opinion" because that's just not how you treat people no matter where you are or what the situation is - even when they were incredibly rude to begin with (which Mito was not, anyone can report your comment and have it removed if the mods deem it so).
PS: laying the exchange to rest here, point has been made.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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VigrithYour effort to squash my dissent is representative of a larger problem with the internet.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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notG10Pretty sure the legal definition of slander is more involved than just blindly banning a person's right to post shit on the internet.
If what I have done counts as slander then every news outlet in America is at risk.
If what I have done counts as slander then every news outlet in America is at risk.
fer.real
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubDescent /dəˈsent/ noun: descent; plural noun: descents
1. an action of moving downward, dropping, or falling.
Dissent /dəˈsent/ noun: dissent 1. the expression or holding of opinions at variance with those previously, commonly, or officially held.
Dissent /dəˈsent/ noun: dissent 1. the expression or holding of opinions at variance with those previously, commonly, or officially held.
OldCat
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubThis is not nice. You come up with the quality of work done by MiTo, we will be happy to buy too.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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OldCatOf all the comments I appreciate yours the most. You are right, my statement goes against the hype and is counter to all the love displayed.
I am sorry the community doesn't share my sentiment.
I am sorry the community doesn't share my sentiment.
ChuckDee
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubFreedom of speech doesn't imply freedom from the consequences of your speech.
fer.real
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubPlease don't edit your comment after the fact.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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ChuckDeeThat is why I didn't make any statements I am afraid to stand behind.
Mito creeps me out
Censoring my comment makes me think worse of the situation
The community is very fan boy oriented
These statements shouldn't be hard to handle as every community is full of both people like you and people like me.
I am not complaining about the resistance to my comments; however I don't think my statements have warrented the threatening language aimed at me in this thread.
But to each his own.
Mito creeps me out
Censoring my comment makes me think worse of the situation
The community is very fan boy oriented
These statements shouldn't be hard to handle as every community is full of both people like you and people like me.
I am not complaining about the resistance to my comments; however I don't think my statements have warrented the threatening language aimed at me in this thread.
But to each his own.
ChuckDee
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubHow do you know that he had it censored? It's in all reality not a public forum, but one run by a company. They make the final decision as to whether to censor it, and how to punish you for statements that they think shouldn't be on their platform. You do grasp that concept, right?
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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ChuckDeeIt is a public forum run by a private company. Anybody can login and post.
Sure the company has a right to censor, but they don't. Go through the threads to find all the negative comments about massdrop.
My comment said "tbh mito creeps me out" and it was censored. Come the fuck on.
Sure the company has a right to censor, but they don't. Go through the threads to find all the negative comments about massdrop.
My comment said "tbh mito creeps me out" and it was censored. Come the fuck on.
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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At least
jscrub
May 18, 2018
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tobsnIt is my opinion. I qualified my statement with "I feel" because it is what I feel.
Massdrop has no obligation to censor free speech, but I understand if they do, as it is their right.
Massdrop has no obligation to censor free speech, but I understand if they do, as it is their right.
Duncan
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May 18, 2018
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jscrubWe moderated your comment based on it being against our Terms of Service. We obviously welcome relevant discussion, and never want to resort to censoring anyone, but we simply can't accept the kind of comment you made. Plain and simple. If you want to have a discussion about this with me personally, feel free to e-mail me.
banana_bread
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May 19, 2018
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ZambumonThis is the reason that i'm inclined to purchase keysets from guys like zambumon, and all the others he listed. They take pride in their work, which to me, is like art. Their ideas and designs are unique and definitely not something 'anyone' can do. I hope they continue making new keysets that keep our hobby going.
Radiatus
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May 26, 2018
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jscrubprobs just salty that you only found out this version existed after the original alt drop ended
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When I said mito creeps me out what I meant was, we are selling hype and in the end the product isn't any more unique than any other organization can produce. I was turned off by this color scheme, but more than that, the reaction of the community to an absolute puke of a system. We are creating a market of scarcity and the people who generate the hype are profiting hand over fist.
Do we have any understanding of the suppliers? Who is doing the machining for the housing? Where are the PCBs being assembled? Are you using fair trade labor and are you supporting American or European labor? Are you jobbing this out to a cheap Chinese board house and a cheap Chinese aluminum supplier?
What is the return on investment on an artisan keeb with pretty colors? Currently there is no market value... I have seen rare builds go for 1k on mechmarket... the keyboard has maybe 30 dollars worth of hardware cost.
We don't see massdrop itemize the cost of their assemblies, nor do we see the consumers ever demand anything regarding a supplier report. Only on small artisan made knifes will you get a documentation of the supplier, as the people purchasing blades care about where their steel comes from.
Again, if you have the attention span to read. This hype is fucking you guys, this color scheme is trash and they are producing these things using the cheapest suppliers possible while charging you the highest possible cost. The model itself takes the principals of lean manufacturing and applies it to the consumer.
The customer gets all the benefits of a unique item, while massdrop reaps all the benefits of removing any customer service costs or costs associated with carrying inventory.
In the old days we would get unique product (before walmart killed creativity) and now we have massdrop, where we trade customer service and the right to purchase product at will for the chance to get a unique drop direct from the manufacturer.
After spending time on the site though, I do not see the cost savings. Somebody is scraping profit from this gig and I assume massdrop is not running this for free service. Consequently, we get censored when we speak out, we get ignored when we ask for help, and when a good product is actually in demand, it is used against us to sell us more shit in between the hype.
If massdrop actually carried the stock that was in demand or ran regular on popular items at good cost you would satisfy all your customers and we wouldn't come back hunting for more trash to binge on before we satisfy our end game keeb quest. It is an amazing business model that is the ultimate manifestation of the capitalist spirit... but for fucks sake, when I say "mito creeps me out" don't get your panties in a bunch.
TL;DR Massdrop is making retail margins but not carrying any inventory or providing any customer service. Mito, this color scheme is a mess and people cant look through their hype to see your profiteering.