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Missed out on MiTo’s futuristic cyberpunk keycap set, GMK Laser? Looking for a sleek, compact keyboard with all the bells and whistles you could ever need? Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downYanboWu
8490
Collaborations
May 17, 2018
Hey everyone, welcome to the project Mito and I have been cooking ever since Laser launched!
I've hinted at these special colorways during the ALT launch and I was really happy with how these samples turned out. I hope this drop can eventually serve as a template for other special sets - there are so many more possibilities out there.
Thank you again to the community for your support and also to Mito for his ever refreshing designs.
By the way - here are all the caps that would ship with the kit if you choose to purchase it.
I've hinted at these special colorways during the ALT launch and I was really happy with how these samples turned out. I hope this drop can eventually serve as a template for other special sets - there are so many more possibilities out there.
Thank you again to the community for your support and also to Mito for his ever refreshing designs.
By the way - here are all the caps that would ship with the kit if you choose to purchase it.
Ughh
118
Jun 9, 2018
Pokemon Spin-Slash, Halo Spartan Laser spins, or spinning/splashing Ecco the dolphin?
jscrub
May 18, 2018
My comment was censored but I first wrote... As mundane and harmless as it is... That mito creeps me out tbh.
Don't suppress comments, it makes you look worse.
When I said mito creeps me out what I meant was, we are selling hype and in the end the product isn't any more unique than any other organization can produce. I was turned off by this color scheme, but more than that, the reaction of the community to an absolute puke of a system. We are creating a market of scarcity and the people who generate the hype are profiting hand over fist.
Do we have any understanding of the suppliers? Who is doing the machining for the housing? Where are the PCBs being assembled? Are you using fair trade labor and are you supporting American or European labor? Are you jobbing this out to a cheap Chinese board house and a cheap Chinese aluminum supplier?
What is the return on investment on an artisan keeb with pretty colors? Currently there is no market value... I have seen rare builds go for 1k on mechmarket... the keyboard has maybe 30 dollars worth of hardware cost.
We don't see massdrop itemize the cost of their assemblies, nor do we see the consumers ever demand anything regarding a supplier report. Only on small artisan made knifes will you get a documentation of the supplier, as the people purchasing blades care about where their steel comes from.
Again, if you have the attention span to read. This hype is fucking you guys, this color scheme is trash and they are producing these things using the cheapest suppliers possible while charging you the highest possible cost. The model itself takes the principals of lean manufacturing and applies it to the consumer.
The customer gets all the benefits of a unique item, while massdrop reaps all the benefits of removing any customer service costs or costs associated with carrying inventory.
In the old days we would get unique product (before walmart killed creativity) and now we have massdrop, where we trade customer service and the right to purchase product at will for the chance to get a unique drop direct from the manufacturer.
After spending time on the site though, I do not see the cost savings. Somebody is scraping profit from this gig and I assume massdrop is not running this for free service. Consequently, we get censored when we speak out, we get ignored when we ask for help, and when a good product is actually in demand, it is used against us to sell us more shit in between the hype.
If massdrop actually carried the stock that was in demand or ran regular on popular items at good cost you would satisfy all your customers and we wouldn't come back hunting for more trash to binge on before we satisfy our end game keeb quest. It is an amazing business model that is the ultimate manifestation of the capitalist spirit... but for fucks sake, when I say "mito creeps me out" don't get your panties in a bunch.
TL;DR Massdrop is making retail margins but not carrying any inventory or providing any customer service. Mito, this color scheme is a mess and people cant look through their hype to see your profiteering.
When I said mito creeps me out what I meant was, we are selling hype and in the end the product isn't any more unique than any other organization can produce. I was turned off by this color scheme, but more than that, the reaction of the community to an absolute puke of a system. We are creating a market of scarcity and the people who generate the hype are profiting hand over fist.
Do we have any understanding of the suppliers? Who is doing the machining for the housing? Where are the PCBs being assembled? Are you using fair trade labor and are you supporting American or European labor? Are you jobbing this out to a cheap Chinese board house and a cheap Chinese aluminum supplier?
What is the return on investment on an artisan keeb with pretty colors? Currently there is no market value... I have seen rare builds go for 1k on mechmarket... the keyboard has maybe 30 dollars worth of hardware cost.
We don't see massdrop itemize the cost of their assemblies, nor do we see the consumers ever demand anything regarding a supplier report. Only on small artisan made knifes will you get a documentation of the supplier, as the people purchasing blades care about where their steel comes from.
Again, if you have the attention span to read. This hype is fucking you guys, this color scheme is trash and they are producing these things using the cheapest suppliers possible while charging you the highest possible cost. The model itself takes the principals of lean manufacturing and applies it to the consumer.
The customer gets all the benefits of a unique item, while massdrop reaps all the benefits of removing any customer service costs or costs associated with carrying inventory.
In the old days we would get unique product (before walmart killed creativity) and now we have massdrop, where we trade customer service and the right to purchase product at will for the chance to get a unique drop direct from the manufacturer.
After spending time on the site though, I do not see the cost savings. Somebody is scraping profit from this gig and I assume massdrop is not running this for free service. Consequently, we get censored when we speak out, we get ignored when we ask for help, and when a good product is actually in demand, it is used against us to sell us more shit in between the hype.
If massdrop actually carried the stock that was in demand or ran regular on popular items at good cost you would satisfy all your customers and we wouldn't come back hunting for more trash to binge on before we satisfy our end game keeb quest. It is an amazing business model that is the ultimate manifestation of the capitalist spirit... but for fucks sake, when I say "mito creeps me out" don't get your panties in a bunch.
TL;DR Massdrop is making retail margins but not carrying any inventory or providing any customer service. Mito, this color scheme is a mess and people cant look through their hype to see your profiteering.
banana_bread
153
May 19, 2018
This is the reason that i'm inclined to purchase keysets from guys like zambumon, and all the others he listed. They take pride in their work, which to me, is like art. Their ideas and designs are unique and definitely not something 'anyone' can do. I hope they continue making new keysets that keep our hobby going.
Radiatus
22
May 26, 2018
probs just salty that you only found out this version existed after the original alt drop ended
YanboWu
8490
Collaborations
Jun 1, 2018
Hey everyone,
Happy to see we've hit the 500 units of the Laser keycaps. I'm super excited to get these in everyone's hands.
With the recent trade tariffs on various trade goods in the news we are making an attempt to get ahead of the unexpected by purchasing additional units with our just completed ALT order.
In order to do this, we did have to charge everyone that's joined so far. Of course, if you want to cancel, that is available in your transactions and you'll be refunded for your purchase.
My apologies for the confusion and getting this message out late tonight.
Happy to see we've hit the 500 units of the Laser keycaps. I'm super excited to get these in everyone's hands.
With the recent trade tariffs on various trade goods in the news we are making an attempt to get ahead of the unexpected by purchasing additional units with our just completed ALT order.
In order to do this, we did have to charge everyone that's joined so far. Of course, if you want to cancel, that is available in your transactions and you'll be refunded for your purchase.
My apologies for the confusion and getting this message out late tonight.
JaleesaG
1550
Marketing Team
Sep 12, 2018
Hi everyone,
Production is well underway for the Massdrop x MiTo Laser ALT Mechanical Keyboard and we’re super excited to share a few new images:
A community member
Jun 18, 2019
already did request but I was too late:( maybe next time when the run starts I would buy 2 and custom paint one of those
Holy_keyboard_fan
0
Nov 15, 2019
JaleesaGWill you guys continue to sell these as in november of 2019? or sometime in the future?
jscrub
May 26, 2018
A few days ago I insulted MiTo on this forum, his response was immediate.
More recently I posted a request regarding information on Massdrops suppliers, I would like MiTo to share information on who is providing the Aluminum and PCBs for this build. I would also appreciate transparency regarding the cost of the hardware in the board. Both Massdrop and Mito have not replied to my requests for transparency.
This is the same item as the ALT keyboard, yet the group buy costs for either batch will not be influenced by each other. This is a basic PCB, acrylic plate and aluminum housing, how much do these materials cost? Are we talking 15% margin? 30%?
At $139 without keycaps we are looking at a $100 in material costs if we are talking a 30% margin, which is hand over fist profit for a retail outlet. There is no way the material costs are so high... $10 tops per item, maybe $50 in material costs... fuck it, go half the cost of the board $75... we are talking 38k in profit at 500 sales for what amounts to collecting orders, contacting vendors, placing the purchase order, and delivering parts.
People who think this kind of reward is reasonable have never run a small business. We are being taken advantage of, these profits are unheard of in the retail market.
Massdrop, I am disappointed in your failure to respond. I feel there needs to be a campaign inside the community to correct your profiteering on the back of a hobby that everyone should be able to enjoy.
More recently I posted a request regarding information on Massdrops suppliers, I would like MiTo to share information on who is providing the Aluminum and PCBs for this build. I would also appreciate transparency regarding the cost of the hardware in the board. Both Massdrop and Mito have not replied to my requests for transparency.
This is the same item as the ALT keyboard, yet the group buy costs for either batch will not be influenced by each other. This is a basic PCB, acrylic plate and aluminum housing, how much do these materials cost? Are we talking 15% margin? 30%?
At $139 without keycaps we are looking at a $100 in material costs if we are talking a 30% margin, which is hand over fist profit for a retail outlet. There is no way the material costs are so high... $10 tops per item, maybe $50 in material costs... fuck it, go half the cost of the board $75... we are talking 38k in profit at 500 sales for what amounts to collecting orders, contacting vendors, placing the purchase order, and delivering parts.
People who think this kind of reward is reasonable have never run a small business. We are being taken advantage of, these profits are unheard of in the retail market.
Massdrop, I am disappointed in your failure to respond. I feel there needs to be a campaign inside the community to correct your profiteering on the back of a hobby that everyone should be able to enjoy.
Rice_Krispies
53
Jun 1, 2018
You are a class act. I appreciate the time, effort and enthusiasm you put into your projects. =)
OldCat
2500
May 18, 2018
@MiTo One suggestion, can you include a MiTo signature cap like this in every one of your drop?
Johnny831
285
May 20, 2018
LOL so you can stab yourself every time you have to press esc hahaha yes! But can it be a zombie unicorn?
zerspeN
23
Jun 11, 2018
Hi everyone, I'm very new to mechanical keyboards so any help is appreciated ahead of time.
I've been staring at this page for the better part of an hour and I have a few questions.
I've done a bit of research on the additional 70 switches that you can but, with some emphasis on the Halo Clears. I noticed at the bottom that list there is the CherryMX Browns (RGB). Does that imply that the Halo Clears will not be RBG? Or are the LED's on the board instead of the actual switch? These are probably very basic questions but again, I am very new and I appreciate your patience.
Second question, what is QMK Firmware? I looked it up on Google and found a software on GitHub. Is this just a 3rd party software to make the RBG and Macro coding for keys easier as well as a possibility?
Thank you for your help and I'm sorry if I sound really dumb, I'm just very curious.
I've been staring at this page for the better part of an hour and I have a few questions.
I've done a bit of research on the additional 70 switches that you can but, with some emphasis on the Halo Clears. I noticed at the bottom that list there is the CherryMX Browns (RGB). Does that imply that the Halo Clears will not be RBG? Or are the LED's on the board instead of the actual switch? These are probably very basic questions but again, I am very new and I appreciate your patience.
Second question, what is QMK Firmware? I looked it up on Google and found a software on GitHub. Is this just a 3rd party software to make the RBG and Macro coding for keys easier as well as a possibility?
Thank you for your help and I'm sorry if I sound really dumb, I'm just very curious.
Daed
574
Jun 13, 2018
If you want to go nuts like so many of us have, you might be interested in joining one or more of the mech communities. The biggest ones appear to be GeekHack (https://geekhack.org/), Deskthority (https://deskthority.net/), and Reddit's r/MechanicalKeyboards (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/). The latter is my keyboard haunt, and you're welcome to hit me up there (https://www.reddit.com/user/Justinicus) any time (I'm sure there are more communities out there... I started my own on MeWe, for example, where I remain the sole member!). This world was pretty overwhelming when I got into it, and a friendly resource makes a big difference!
zerspeN
23
Jun 13, 2018
DaedThank you so so so much. I literally cannot thank you enough for your help. You've turned me from not wanting to purchase this keyboard at all to basically nose diving into the community and feeling very confident in my purchase of the ALT because it is so much fun to do. I'll definitely check out those resources and I just followed you on Reddit (I didn't know that was a thing you could do) but again, thank you so so much.
P.S. *infinite thank you's*
P.S. *infinite thank you's*
sblaydes
May 23, 2018
What, no Cherry MX Blue switches? That is a deal breaker for me.
Fatalruin
194
May 25, 2018
cureI'm not a mx blue fan myself, but if you don't have the cash or patience to experiment with other switches and are content with the blues, I see no harm in sticking with them. I kind of admire that contentment to be honest as I'm one of many here that are constantly reaching for those end game feels that are always out of reach. Also, retooled cherry linear switches are top notch now. I'm currently running a board for gaming with mx silent blacks (retooled) with 65g gold sprit springs which feel fantastic.
jscrub
May 25, 2018
I am posting a rebuttal to my comment which was censored a while back where I said "to be honest mito creeps me the fuck out" - I was attacked, people went into my facebook. I reacted incorrectly and then said "well if you're going to censor me it makes me think mito is a pedo," which just isn't the right thing to say, it was an emotional reaction and I really was trying to speak out against the process in general. I deserved my lashings and in hindsight should have spent more time to communicate my thoughts; which are below.
When I said mito creeps me out what I meant was, we are selling hype and in the end the product isn't any more unique than any other organization can produce. I was turned off by this color scheme, but more than that, the reaction of the community to an absolute puke of a system. We are creating a market of scarcity and the people who generate the hype are profiting hand over fist.
Do we have any understanding of the suppliers? Who is doing the machining for the housing? Where are the PCBs being assembled? Are you using fair trade labor and are you supporting American or European labor? Are you jobbing this out to a cheap Chinese board house and a cheap Chinese aluminum supplier?
What we get are a few pictures and some cool attitudes, we get a personality; isn't that what is most important? The person behind the design! Rather, there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle and slapping some renders and pretty colors behind a build doesn't mean you deserve the rewards associated because you are taking advantage of the global supply chain. I imagine MiTo is from affluence, or at least he attempts to project that in his persona.
What is the return on investment on an artisan keeb with pretty colors? Currently there is no market value... I have seen rare builds go for 1k on mechmarket... these keyboards have maybe 30 dollars worth of hardware cost.
We don't see massdrop itemize the cost of their assemblies, nor do we see the consumers ever demand anything regarding a supplier report. Only on small artisan made knives will you get a documentation of the supplier, as the people purchasing blades care about where their steel comes from.
Again, if you have the attention span to read. This hype is fucking us, this color scheme is trash and they are producing these things using the cheapest suppliers possible while charging you the highest possible price. The model itself takes the principals of lean manufacturing and applies it to the consumer side. It is a stock management nerds heaven, an accountants wet dream.
I understand, at least you get a unique item... but anybody can assemble pretty keyboards. Where is the benefit to the customer? Where is the betterment of the community? Massdrop is supposed to bring transparency to the vendor and a unique low price, rather the customer gets a hype machine, while massdrop reaps all the benefits of removing any customer service costs or costs associated with carrying inventory.
Every sale massdrop runs on the site is literally an inventory turn, you see things that are common items on massdrop? Those are the items massdrop makes the greatest margin on, the rest of the unique items are the fluff that generate traffic to drive high margin items, like massdrop knives and massdrop headphones.
In the old days we would get unique product (before walmart killed creativity) and now we have massdrop, where we trade customer service and the right to purchase product at will for the chance to get a unique drop direct from the manufacturer.
After spending time on the site though, I do not see the cost savings. Somebody is scraping profit from this gig and I assume massdrop is not running this for free. Consequently, we get censored when we speak out, we get ignored when we ask for help, and when a good product is actually in demand, it is used against us to sell us more shit in between the hype.
If massdrop actually carried the stock that was in demand or ran regular on popular items with sale prices they would satisfy all their customers and the model would collapse. It is an amazing business model that is the ultimate manifestation of the capitalist spirit... but for fucks sake, when I say "mito creeps me out" don't get your panties in a bunch.
TL;DR Massdrop is making retail margins but not carrying any inventory or providing any customer service. Mito, they are selling your name for hype. This is probably going to get censored and the friendly turd from customer service will politely tell me to eat some dicks.
When I said mito creeps me out what I meant was, we are selling hype and in the end the product isn't any more unique than any other organization can produce. I was turned off by this color scheme, but more than that, the reaction of the community to an absolute puke of a system. We are creating a market of scarcity and the people who generate the hype are profiting hand over fist.
Do we have any understanding of the suppliers? Who is doing the machining for the housing? Where are the PCBs being assembled? Are you using fair trade labor and are you supporting American or European labor? Are you jobbing this out to a cheap Chinese board house and a cheap Chinese aluminum supplier?
What we get are a few pictures and some cool attitudes, we get a personality; isn't that what is most important? The person behind the design! Rather, there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle and slapping some renders and pretty colors behind a build doesn't mean you deserve the rewards associated because you are taking advantage of the global supply chain. I imagine MiTo is from affluence, or at least he attempts to project that in his persona.
What is the return on investment on an artisan keeb with pretty colors? Currently there is no market value... I have seen rare builds go for 1k on mechmarket... these keyboards have maybe 30 dollars worth of hardware cost.
We don't see massdrop itemize the cost of their assemblies, nor do we see the consumers ever demand anything regarding a supplier report. Only on small artisan made knives will you get a documentation of the supplier, as the people purchasing blades care about where their steel comes from.
Again, if you have the attention span to read. This hype is fucking us, this color scheme is trash and they are producing these things using the cheapest suppliers possible while charging you the highest possible price. The model itself takes the principals of lean manufacturing and applies it to the consumer side. It is a stock management nerds heaven, an accountants wet dream.
I understand, at least you get a unique item... but anybody can assemble pretty keyboards. Where is the benefit to the customer? Where is the betterment of the community? Massdrop is supposed to bring transparency to the vendor and a unique low price, rather the customer gets a hype machine, while massdrop reaps all the benefits of removing any customer service costs or costs associated with carrying inventory.
Every sale massdrop runs on the site is literally an inventory turn, you see things that are common items on massdrop? Those are the items massdrop makes the greatest margin on, the rest of the unique items are the fluff that generate traffic to drive high margin items, like massdrop knives and massdrop headphones.
In the old days we would get unique product (before walmart killed creativity) and now we have massdrop, where we trade customer service and the right to purchase product at will for the chance to get a unique drop direct from the manufacturer.
After spending time on the site though, I do not see the cost savings. Somebody is scraping profit from this gig and I assume massdrop is not running this for free. Consequently, we get censored when we speak out, we get ignored when we ask for help, and when a good product is actually in demand, it is used against us to sell us more shit in between the hype.
If massdrop actually carried the stock that was in demand or ran regular on popular items with sale prices they would satisfy all their customers and the model would collapse. It is an amazing business model that is the ultimate manifestation of the capitalist spirit... but for fucks sake, when I say "mito creeps me out" don't get your panties in a bunch.
TL;DR Massdrop is making retail margins but not carrying any inventory or providing any customer service. Mito, they are selling your name for hype. This is probably going to get censored and the friendly turd from customer service will politely tell me to eat some dicks.
sevenseacat
1938
May 26, 2018
I have no time for people who insult other people's preferences as "trash" while proclaiming their own preferences as fact.
I don't give a shit about the rest of your argument. Massdrop is a company selling products to make money. They sell some products that you cannot buy as-is anywhere else (such as the ALT), and others that you could only buy much more expensively (keysets).
Keyboards are made to be used, not to be bought as an "investment". There is no return on investment. You pay money, you get a nice keyboard, that's all there is to it. If you no longer want the keyboard, then you can sell it, but that's not an "investment".
If you don't think it's worth the money (which is indeed probably a lot more than the sum of its parts), then don't buy it. A lot of us do, because we do not have the knowledge or time to assemble all of the different parts that work together, assemble the boards, etc. So we're happy to pay that premium.
And as to why MiTo's name is on it, from the very first post in this discussion page -
> welcome to the project Mito and I have been cooking ever since Laser launched!
That's six months they've been working on the idea and refining it to the point of having a saleable product. Is he not entitled to some reward for that?
If you buy a brand-name TV or other consumer product, do you demand to see some kind of breakdown of their costs and components to know why it's so expensive? Why are keyboards any different?
I don't give a shit about the rest of your argument. Massdrop is a company selling products to make money. They sell some products that you cannot buy as-is anywhere else (such as the ALT), and others that you could only buy much more expensively (keysets).
Keyboards are made to be used, not to be bought as an "investment". There is no return on investment. You pay money, you get a nice keyboard, that's all there is to it. If you no longer want the keyboard, then you can sell it, but that's not an "investment".
If you don't think it's worth the money (which is indeed probably a lot more than the sum of its parts), then don't buy it. A lot of us do, because we do not have the knowledge or time to assemble all of the different parts that work together, assemble the boards, etc. So we're happy to pay that premium.
And as to why MiTo's name is on it, from the very first post in this discussion page -
> welcome to the project Mito and I have been cooking ever since Laser launched!
That's six months they've been working on the idea and refining it to the point of having a saleable product. Is he not entitled to some reward for that?
If you buy a brand-name TV or other consumer product, do you demand to see some kind of breakdown of their costs and components to know why it's so expensive? Why are keyboards any different?
jscrub
May 26, 2018
sevenseacatI am sorry I put personal preference and short words in with my actual argument, as it allows people to ignore my point and attack me from the fan boy perspective.
I have been asking for information on their suppliers and haven't gotten a word. That is all I'm lookin for, sorry to use angry words, again I was wrong.
I have been asking for information on their suppliers and haven't gotten a word. That is all I'm lookin for, sorry to use angry words, again I was wrong.
deejasaurus
145
Dec 3, 2018
I just put on a GMK Cyan spacebar, a Jelly Key Eden artisan cap, and a Mechcables Jumbo Laser USB-C cable from Massdrop.
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