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KITTY
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Nov 25, 2016
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Why is this product even considered as Black Friday event? How much would it be if it wasn't Black Friday?
Nov 25, 2016
Kable2082
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Nov 25, 2016
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KITTYWell it's 50% off so $500
Qll massdrop sales are timed special sales this is just another but the sale is for black Friday. Massdrop wouldn't sell it at full price.
Nov 25, 2016
daren
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYIt would cost 249$ if it wasn't Black Friday. Black Friday didn't affect the price of this drop. This drop still has 13 days left, and has been here before Black Friday anyways. Maybe someone can correct me on this but, it really just feels like Massdrop just flagged a bunch of random drops as "Black Friday Specials".
Nov 26, 2016
KITTY
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Nov 26, 2016
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Kable2082I agree with Daren, that Massdrop is just flagging bunch of random product drops as "Black Friday Special". I mean guys, think about it. Massdrop has been doing collaboration with different companies to bring the products cheaper, not for Black Friday sales. Look at HD6xx, MSRP says $500, but they're selling it for $200, look at AKG 7XX, MSRP says 400, but they're selling it for $200, look at TH-X00, MSRP says $1,000, but they're selling it for $400, and finally Hifiman HE-350, MSRP $300, Massdrop price is $99. You see, these were all collaboration work. My point is that Massdrop never sells product for the original MSRP price. I believe this product is actually worth $250. I don't think its $250 because it's Black Friday. This is just another collaboration.
P.S. The Vortex Pok3r keyboard is also listed as Black Friday sale, but they sold this keyboard for the exact price last time also....
Nov 26, 2016
zakalwe
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYDoes any of that really matter? MSRP has always been a retail tool to use as an inflated benchmark of value to satisfy both customer and manufacturer. The Point Of Sale price rarely reflects the MSRP, but it just allows for comparison - i.e. this is what the manufacturer has valued it on the end user market, compared with its other products X,Y and Z. Of course it's not really 50% off but then besides base material value, plus labour and some other tangibles, most products don't have intrinsic value anyway. In short, it's only worth what someone will pay for it. Noble have a good rep. If you want the product, then they think it compares with their other $500 MSRP gear. As for Black Friday, at least it's not the super predictable last season sh!te that stores usually try and dump on sale every year.
Nov 26, 2016
KITTY
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Nov 26, 2016
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zakalweMy friend, of course it matters!!! That's the whole concept of Massdrop, where the community takes a vote for a product to be sold in Massdrop for a cheaper price! Massdrop isn't going sell Noble X for $500 or even close to that price. Look at all the collaboration Massdrop has done. The prices for HD6xx, AKG k7xx, TH-x00, and HE-350 aren't even near the MSRP range. I've think you clearly missed my point. I'm not saying that this product isn't actually worth $500, what I really meant by that is that this VERSION of the product will be worth $250 on Massdrop, not from Noble. Noble doesn't sell this product from their site after all. My other point was that I believe Massdrop is using the flag "Black Friday Sale" to get more customers attention, when it's actually not for Black Friday sale... They meant to sell this product for $250 from the start and if they do this collaboration again (not during Black Friday), I'm sure it's still going to be $250.
To be honest, MSRP isn't considered as a valuable information. Some products has been out for years and the MSRP is still the same when there has been newer or better version of the same product for the same MSRP. Which one would you buy? The one that's an older version or the newer version that has been modified to better than the last generation with the same MSRP as the old version?
Nov 26, 2016
zakalwe
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYI didn't miss the point. What I'm saying is that the $500 price point is something Noble may have given as an indication of where it would lie in their product line if they sold it themselves, giving the potential buyer a basis for comparison. I'm sure you are right that it will always be $250 regardless of Black Friday, but what's the issue? I mean, some stores open on the high street with 'Closing Down Sale' in the window from the time they open onwards. Retail is retail.
Nov 26, 2016
TheDoc
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYOne thing to consider, historicaly, Noble has never offered a product at 249... so i think it would be safe to say, this is a discou ted product
Nov 26, 2016
KITTY
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Nov 26, 2016
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zakalweI don't have an issue with the price, I want them! I'm just saying there was no point of including the "Black Friday Sale" sign. I think we both understand and agrees to the point that we are both making. One question to you, how long do think this product will be valued as $500 MSRP then? I stopped comparing products with MSRP values because the economy nowadays is terrible, other retail stores won't sell it for the MSRP price since they understand that it's not worth that much, and there will be better products to replace older models. I don't care how the company see's it, I care how the majority values it.
Nov 26, 2016
KITTY
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Nov 26, 2016
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TheDocThat's what I'm assuming also.
Nov 26, 2016
zakalwe
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYFor sure. I agree. And honestly I don't care what they place their MSRPs at in a global perspective relative to other companies' products. What they are useful for in discounted 3rd party environments like Massdrop is knowing where they (Noble) position the product relative to their own line of products. For example, we know how much they sell their Sage model for...so you can say that Noble think the X is worth ??? compared to the Sage. Of course, all of this relies on the fact that Noble came up with the $500 MSRP for the X, lol. That's all really. That's the only way MSRPs have any point to me: intra company comparisons.
Nov 26, 2016
KITTY
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Nov 26, 2016
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zakalweindeed~
Nov 26, 2016
TheDoc
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYHard to say , as that is all crystal ball reading. For example, at this point in time, we don't know if it will be a popular success. If it is a success, as it is a limited run, with unique physical attributes (face plate) it could hold its value or even appreciate in value. Or if it is a failure, the opposite could happen.
The Savant for example? Was that a success, what is the value of it today? There certainly wasn't a lot of Wizard Savants made, less than a 100 I would guess.
Nov 26, 2016
zakalwe
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYAnd normally I'd agree that it's better to see how the community value it, but this is a bit of a blind faith deal. :)
Nov 26, 2016
KITTY
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Nov 26, 2016
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zakalweI've read a review of Noble X from http://www.head-fi.org/products/massdrop-x-noble-x-universal-iem/reviews/17389 The reviewer doesn't seem to be that impressed to be honest lol. Still, sound can be heard differently to people and I've always wanted a pair of Noble so I guess I'll give it a go.
Nov 26, 2016
TheDoc
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYSadly, you can't have it both ways. For example, if this was a proven product, there is no way it would be discounted so heavily, as Noble would not sell it to MassDrop so low. This is all about risk factor. The higher the risk, the lower the price, the lower the risk, the higher the price.
Leap of faith, at this point is all you got, but then again buying essentially any audio gear on line is a leap of faith, as this is all subjective.
Nov 26, 2016
TheDoc
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYHe also said he didn't like the Katana, and the Katana has rave reviews/impressions and comments. In al practical measures, it has been a success. He also said that the Noble X is huge. The funny thing is, the Katana is said to be small, and the Noble X and the Katana are the same size. Noble used the same CAD work from the K10UA to build/design the ABS plastic shells used in the classic line, and also the same CAD to build the Katana shell as well. (cost cutting measures)
Nov 26, 2016
KITTY
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Nov 26, 2016
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TheDocYou do have a valid point, but what do you think Doc? Let's say you had $250 to spend on a IEM. Would you go for Noble X or is there something else you wound recommend?
Nov 26, 2016
TheDoc
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYTruth is, I can't answer that question. I'm usually a "go big or go home" type person. I rarely spend money on myself, but when I do it is the product is expensive (at least expensive to me). I guess if the question was, if "I was on the hunt, for an "EDC" type earphone" the Noble X would make the list. We have all lost something in our life... (I lost an i-phone getting off a plane). If I were to lose a 250 ear phone, I could accept that without getting too upset, but if I lost a Katana, or an Encore..... it would take me a while to cope with that loss.
Notice, my question is framed more about practicality, not about stellar sound quality, as if I were looking for stellar sound quality, I'd expect to pay North of 1K.
Nov 26, 2016
zakalwe
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYThat's it really: it's all about taking a punt. I like the last set of IEMs I did that on with Massdrop so I might do the same here.
Nov 26, 2016
zakalwe
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYHere's what Head-Fi Jude says on the buying guide http://www.head-fi.org/a/head-fi-buying-guide-in-ear-headphones
Nov 26, 2016
skaloola2
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Nov 26, 2016
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KITTYmaybe you're trolling, but
would it make you happy if they listed "SPECIAL BLACK FRIDAY PRICE, $250! (regular sale price, $300!) (SAVE AN EXTRA $50 OFF MASSDROPS ALREADY HUGE $200 DISCOUNT OFF THE $500 MSRP!!
the majority of "Black Friday" deals aren't any better than regular sales being offered throughout the year anyways.
Nov 26, 2016
KITTY
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Nov 26, 2016
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skaloola2I think you should look up what trolling means. It wouldn't make me happy nor sad because I know this isn't a Black Friday Sale... I was simply making a clear statement.
Nov 26, 2016
zakalwe
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Nov 28, 2016
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KITTYCyber Monday now Kitty, lol ;-P
Nov 28, 2016
KITTY
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Nov 29, 2016
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zakalweMassdrop can't fool us twice lol
Nov 29, 2016
KITTY
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Sep 27, 2017
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KITTYOH LOOK BOIS, ITS NOT EVEN BLACK FRIDAY OR CYBER MONDAY, BUT THEY'RE SELLING IT FOR $250. GUESS IT'S BLACK FRIDAY EVERYDAY :)
Sep 27, 2017
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