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hatman
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Jun 4, 2017
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Dsnuts, thanks for elaborating further on the differences between your first and second samples. And for disclosing that a second person -- another handpicked reviewer/enthusiast? -- also was given a "dud" by NuForce.
But my question is about what you asked NuForce and what explanation, if any, NuForce gave you for why the company sent such "duds" out for review.
It's not at all unusual for a manufacturer to change a design, particularly a pre-production one, if it thinks it is about to get a bad review.
The explanation you got, if any, is important because, how do we know NuForce won't change its design again if someone else doesn't like the sound?
Thank you again for being a good sport about answering questions.
Jun 4, 2017
Dsnuts
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Jun 5, 2017
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Didn't get much of an explanation. After I told Mike here at Massdrop how bad the original sample was I guess they might have already figured out they gave me a bad sample. Again these are very early samples that probably were not tuned if at all.
As per the headfier that got the bad unit it was Twister. I am sure you guy have read his reviews . He should have a good sample by now but told me he has a lot on his plate so I am sure he will do a write up when he gets a chance.
The chance for a retail version of the EDC being bad is zero to none. I wouldn't worry about that. I am not aware of NuForce ever having any issue with SQ variation in any earphone they have made for retail. I have owned NuForce products even before Optoma took over and I have not once had a bad retail version of anything I have bought or gotten from them.
I knew the time line of the reveal of the EDC so I figure I would be the fist to put something out there for people to get a good idea how they sound. I suppose you have to have a sense of humor to understand my write ups but I think you guys can get a good idea what the sound is like.
They have a safe tuning that stays away from sibilance of any type on the same token is not a boring sound at all. Has good detail and imaging with proper balance but what makes them sound excellent is how spacious the sound is and their ability to scale to more power. All from a 6mm small dynamic that also throw down the bass when called for. They sound great on a DAP or phone but even better when amped. They sound like full sized cans and not like earphones when amped. It is astounding actually. Sounds nothing like a $60 earphone when amped.
I think Massdrop will sell the heck out of these and you guys don't have much to loose in being the first adapters of this collaboration between Massdrop and NuForce. IMO the EDCs are the best dynamic earphones NuForce has made and it doesn't retail for $200.
Sure these have room for improvements what earphone doesn't but for the whole package. You guys will more than get your monies worth.
Jun 5, 2017
hatman
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Jun 5, 2017
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Thanks for responding, Dsnuts. Respectfully, I don't think you should be in the position of trying to speak for a manufacturer with whom you've apparently never spoken.
I think NuForce should really be answering these questions about what its mystery IEM will sound like when it is finally issued and why in the world it would send out multiple untuned copies for review. That is a real mystery.
Jun 5, 2017
Onslash
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Jun 6, 2017
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How does it compare to shure 215?
Jun 6, 2017
Jyri
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Jun 9, 2017
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Maybe I can clarify a bit...
The units Dsnuts, Twister and others are listening are pre-pre-production samples. These are normally manufactured in smaller quantities with or without full quality check, proper measurements, production control, tolerance control etc. Furthermore, if there is a tight schedule, such as now, sometimes the pre-pre-production samples are not fully tested, skip certain check points or there can be higher than normal variation between units (assembled quickly, no full FQ reference mask, not fully controlled production and measurements etc) . The variation, in terms of sound quality, is not necessarily huge, but someone with good ears (such as Dsnuts and Twister) might hear the difference (as happened this time).
Some manufacturers work differently, but we - NuForce - don´t make changes on sound quality after reviewers have tested the units. Unless it is necessary because of our mistake or something we didn´t catch before - which is not the case here. Normally, we - NuForce - (as well as Massdrop) listen the samples before shipping out. Unfortunately we were not able to do so this time. Once Massdrop received feedback from Dsnuts, and the feedback did not match what the EDC should sound like, Massdrop arranged new sample to him.
Regardless, the above is related to preproduction samples - not final mass production. Final mass production will go through proper screening, sorting, frequency response control, L&R balance check, driver matching, assembly control, quality control etc etc.
Please do feel free to address your questions to me directly. I am more than happy to help.
- Jyri/NuForce
P.S In case you´re interested, another review of the EDC: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanwhitwam/2017/06/08/massdrop-x-nuforce-in-ear-monitors-offer-surprisingly-good-performance-for-just-60/#56375a2b6642
Jun 9, 2017
hatman
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Jun 9, 2017
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Thanks, Jyri, I appreciate your comments.
In light of that, you might want to reconsider your policy of releasing untested, unmeasured, unlisted-to "pre-pre-production samples" to volunteer reviewers for the rest of us to base our buying decisions upon.
Jun 9, 2017
Jyri
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Jun 9, 2017
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Appreciate the feedback. However I did not say that is always the case or was the case here. I listed several options that might impact on pre-production samples. There can always be several reasons behind, and this time the tight schedule was the cause. Naturally I do agree though that ideally it would be better to avoid shipping any fully tested samples. I´ve been involved with number of product launches. It is extremely rare that any NuForce reviewer would receive "a dud".
Jun 9, 2017
hatman
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Jun 9, 2017
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Whatever you can do to give us accurate information about the sound would be appreciated.
Jun 9, 2017
hatman
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Jun 9, 2017
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Fortune is not letting me in to read that review, even after I turned off Adblocker.
Jun 9, 2017
micahjrose
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Jun 12, 2017
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I got a bad unit too. Glassmonkey here. I haven't gotten a replacement sample yet.
Jun 12, 2017
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