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JaleesaG
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Jul 31, 2018
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8/10/2018 UPDATE Hi everyone, We’re checking in with an update on the Massdrop x Schwarz Perpetua EDC Folding Knife. We’ve been working closely with Millit to finalize production and we’re now tracking for an mid-September ship date. Again, thank you so much for your patience in light of the recent delays. We’ll be back with another update closer to the ship date. 8/3/2018 UPDATE Hi everyone, We have an update on the Massdrop x Schwarz Perpetua EDC Folding Knife. Millit is finalizing the laser engraving of the blades, and is preparing to send them to our warehouse over the next couple days. From there, we’ll be able to receive the shipment, do a quality check on our side, and ship the blades out. With the last pieces of work and travel time to us, we expect the blades to begin shipping out in about 2-4 weeks (the long range depends on logistics around packaging and shipping times). We’re sorry for the additional delay from our last estimate, and want to make sure we give you details on what’s going on behind the scenes. Production was slightly slower than expected overall (once the delayed metal was received). In the last few days, Millit ran into a couple snags with their new laser engraving system. They actually bought a new machine specifically for this project, and it has taken a bit longer than expected to get it working properly for this use case. Here are a few of the latest production photos:
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We know the additional delay sucks, and we’re sorry that you won’t get your blades for another few weeks. Obviously, in manufacturing new products delays come up, and it’s on us to keep you in the loop and do what we can to help minimize impact of these delays. We are working with Millit and our warehouse to get the blades shipped to us and prioritized at our warehouse to get sent out as soon as they arrive. We have also added a $10 coupon to your accounts, which will be automatically applied to the next drop you join. If you don’t want to wait the additional time for this item, you can cancel your order via the transactions page: https://www.massdrop.com/transactions. As soon as we have a more firm ship date, we’ll be back with another update. (Next update on or before 8/16) Again, we’re sorry for the delay and appreciate your patience. We look forward to you receiving your knife soon. Thanks, Jaleesa and the Massdrop Team
Jul 31, 2018
Hatuletoh
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Aug 1, 2018
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JaleesaGThanks for the ten. Helps a bit.
Do me one favor though, would you please: you say next update by 8/16 at latest; make it by 8/16 at latest. Bad news is bad news, but bad news is worse news delivered tardily.
Aug 1, 2018
Dgebler
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Aug 1, 2018
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JaleesaGStill looking Forward to this one have been wanting to try some of the work coming out of Millit’s shop. I will gladly wait the extra time with the understanding that means the mfr. took time to get it right and didn’t cut corners...I hope. That said we could’ve save the cost and time for the laser engraving and went with sterile blades!
Aug 1, 2018
TheQuietOne75
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Aug 1, 2018
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JaleesaGThank you for the update. Still waiting for my signed print though.....
Aug 1, 2018
momsafake
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Aug 1, 2018
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Aug 1, 2018
AstroBev
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Aug 1, 2018
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JaleesaGI'm glad the time is being put in, I'd rather that than receive a half-baked product just to meet a deadline.
One question though, I know people we're concerned with the chosen Rc hardness Millit was going to shoot for. Does anyone know if that was kept or if they adjusted it due to the community's concerns?
Aug 1, 2018
JaleesaG
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Aug 1, 2018
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Hatuletoh@Hatuletoh: Absolutely. Again, we're so sorry for the delay in updating all of you. We'll make sure to be back as soon as we can with more information.
Aug 1, 2018
massdropisgreat
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Aug 1, 2018
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JaleesaGThis is the last item I purchase from massdrop.
Aug 1, 2018
JaleesaG
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Aug 1, 2018
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TheQuietOne75@TheQuietOne75: We're sorry you haven't received your signed print! I've sent you an email for further information.
Aug 1, 2018
NickVL
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Aug 1, 2018
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JaleesaGWho gets #0001?
Aug 1, 2018
S_lim
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Aug 1, 2018
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JaleesaGHaven’t got my signed print either. Assumed it’d come with the knife since I live overseas.
Aug 1, 2018
TheQuietOne75
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Aug 2, 2018
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Aug 2, 2018
TheQuietOne75
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Aug 2, 2018
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JaleesaGThank you Jaleesa. I’ve responded to your email.
Aug 2, 2018
m0llusk
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Aug 2, 2018
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JaleesaGWaiting a couple of months for something that is supposed to endure for the long haul seems reasonable to me. Doing what needs to be done to get things right is why I jumped at the chance to buy a Millit made knife. And for now you bet I framed that print. Thanks for update!
Aug 2, 2018
AstroBev
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Aug 2, 2018
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NickVLDibs
Aug 2, 2018
JaleesaG
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Aug 2, 2018
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S_lim@S_lim: Just shot you an email!
Aug 2, 2018
Hatuletoh
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Aug 2, 2018
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momsafakeDamn straight. And never more so then when I want my new toy.
But my practical reason for being annoyed we didn't get the mid-July update an MD employee said we would, is that this time of year I try to spend as little time in the city--that is, the location to which my mail is sent--as possible. I have to come back to the city from time to time, but exactly when is mostly up to me, so I prefer to kill two birds, &c by being in town when also expecting important mail. And the earlier know the better I can plan, and the better my planning the more time my chubby little pit bull and get to spend away from humans and traffic and smog (though with so many fires this year the mountain air might actually be worse than the city's; still less traffic, at least). And if I'm infantile about my toys, which I am, I'm a damn psycho about wasting precious summer nights. And yet somehow every year they manage to fly by faster than the year before.
Aug 2, 2018
Hatuletoh
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Aug 2, 2018
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JaleesaGThank you. I am a fussy, impatient baby, I admit. And it's getting worse, not better as time has gone on; I already pity the staff of the future nursing home where I may someday reside.
That said, if I'm being honest, i.e. objective, +2 months actually isnt too bad for the first production run on a new knife, designed shortly before production, incorporating somewhat uncommon blade steel and a new type (for designer/manufacturer) of locking mechanism, being manufactured by a company used to smaller batch runs (and who, according to their Instagram, decided to use new laser-engraving machines they bought for the project, and that no one was 100% familiar with ), and with the ultimate QC and distribution of the finished product to customers handled by a separate entity.
Your biggest fault was an overly optimistic original "expected to mail by" date, but I imagine you folks have detailed numbers correlalating customer efficacy and the time to ship relative to price, type of product, customer demographic, etc., and probably a million other variables I cant begin to imagine. So I assume there is pressure to make that estimate as short as possible. And I'm no doubt data also shows far less customers cxl because of delays than skip a drop due to too long a production time. Anyway, get it out before Labor Day and you're doing fine. Two weeks earlier would be even beťter, of course...
Aug 2, 2018
DDro
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Aug 3, 2018
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JaleesaGMissing the production date is frustrating, but understandable.
Missing the date you promised to provide an update is not understandable — and I’d go so far as to say unacceptable and unprofessional.
Aug 3, 2018
JonasHeineman
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Aug 3, 2018
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JaleesaGHey everyone - I wanted to drop in and thank you all again for your patience. Part of the reason this is delayed may be due to my optimistic estimate on delivery - we should have given a bit more leeway for steel shipment and unforeseen challenges of manufacturing a different style of locking mechanism. Apologies for my part in that.
I also wanted to share some good news, which is that I just got a chance to handle the first production sample and Millit absolutely nailed it. The blades are sharp and perfectly centered, and the fly open with a flick of the thumb stud or flip of the wrist if you unlock the button, and still manage to have perfect lockup zero lateral blade play - that is a very hard balance to strike, and speaks volumes about what Shane and his team have done to engineer, manufacture, and assemble these. The final version of the pocket clip (slightly thicker than prototypes) is also a great balance of strength and flexibility.
Shane has also been carrying an early production sample and putting through some work in the yard, hosing it off, and putting it back in the pocket - I hear it's holding up well after hard use, which we expected but ya never know until you try so that's encouraging.
Thanks again for your patience, I think you will be very pleased and hope you will agree it's worth the wait.
Aug 3, 2018
SliceyDicey
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Aug 10, 2018
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JonasHeineman2.5 months late according to your latest mid-September estimate is just getting ridiculous. I'm sure I'll love the knife, but every delay tampers my enthusiasm. If the mid-September isn't met, it may be time to call the credit card company and dispute the charge. We got our little signed drawing in the mail, but did the promised Q&A ever happen? Even promised updates are delayed. I run a one-man business and I'm certainly late shipping stuff sometimes, so I'm trying to sympathize but... This is getting just silly. I really want the knife, but mid-September is truly as long as I'm willing to wait now.
Aug 10, 2018
Rabbitman
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Aug 10, 2018
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SliceyDiceyThey did the same with the Tashi “Prism“ they sent the knife 1 1/2 months late with almost no communication, at least on this one we been getting updates from them and Millit Knifes. The last Millit update says that they’re sending the product to them on August 1st , will it take 45 days for them to send it to us? That is ridiculous! Sorry if any misspell or bad grammar English is my second language.
Aug 10, 2018
Erhon
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Aug 11, 2018
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SliceyDiceyYeah the Q&A happened close to a month ago.
Aug 11, 2018
ecoleman
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Aug 11, 2018
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SliceyDicey2.5 months is definitely the limit to my patience on this. Little has been done to compensate for a badly blown ship date, overly optimistic or not.
Aug 11, 2018
Hatuletoh
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Aug 11, 2018
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RabbitmanKind of funny: the only really incorrect grammar in your post was the last sentence in which you apologize for any bad grammar. Lilikewise, the only misspelling I saw was the word language. Honestly, given how poorly most Americans right, I would never have guessed English is not your 'langue maternelle'.
Regardless of language, I'm glad I'm not the only one who cant understand how "shipping in 2-4 weeks" from the 3 August becomes "the end of September" (hopefully, maybe...unless there's another delay).
Aug 11, 2018
EKChens
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Aug 11, 2018
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HatuletohIs this a joke? Your post was awful too lol. "Right" and "lilikewise" just to name a couple. C'mon dude.
Aug 11, 2018
Hatuletoh
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Aug 11, 2018
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JaleesaGI've never been very adept at math, but I double-checked with number a of very mathematically skilled individuals, and we're all in a agreement: "2-4 weeks" from 3 August would be, at the very most, 9 September. But the regular work-week, i.e., Mon through Fri, ends on the 7th, so that is really the latest date they should be shipping.
Maybe when the update email (thank you for the timeliness of that, btw) says you're "tracking" for a shipment date of "mid-September", 9/7 is included in that generality, but I dont think so or the vagueness of "mid-September" would be replaced with an actual date. The fact that it is not, and we're still dealing with loose terms that have some weasel room to them doesnt bode well. Or maybe you're still expecting to ship by Fri, 9/7 but said "mid-September" just to be cautious, but that would be the very first time an overly cautious estimate has been given, so I doubt that too. What I think is that the "2-4 weeks" statement made on 8/3 is going to end of being still more bullshit. I'd love to be wrong, so if I am please say so.
Two reasons this additional delay (assuming you don't tell me I'm wrong) provokes me to annoyance: firstly, Millit isnt behaving like a company much concerned with the delays. I dont know, of course, what the Massdrop/Millit contract looks like, but if I had negotiated it there would be painful financial penalties for delays caused by Millit not completing the work when the materials were on-hand. Some delays like the steel issue cant be helped, but the fact they decided to buy a new laser toy and learn on the job--this job--tells me that they weren't very concerned about inconveniencing Massdrop customers. Better to piss us off than Sege Panchenko, right? And THAT tells me the business arrangement has weak protection for MD customers.
Secondly--and I've said this before--MD surely has all manner of charts and graphs detailing the effects of the lag time between purchase and shipping of goods. Obviously, longer waits = lower customer interest and fewer purchases, but I would guess it's not a straight linear relationship; it's likely logarithmic or even exponential after a certain threshold. In other words, purchases fall precipitously for even just an extra week or two wait. That means MD has incentive to provide the rosiest, most optimistic shipping date theybcan possibly justify when someone joins a drop, because I'm sure theyve also found that people will tolerate delays better than a long initial estimate. And I'd bet customer tolerance goes up the longer theyve waited (that behavior is actually a logical fallacy universally committed by humans, whose name escapes me at the moment). So again, the upshot is pressure to provide estimated shipping dates just this side of demonstrably bogus; perhaps even pressure to take orders for products that cant be confirmed are actually going to be made. The important thing is to get people signed on, because once they are they will put up with much, much more. And indeed, this has been my experience with new MD-made products.
And with those two issues in mind, and the total, utter silence and continued lack of any estimate for when I might expect the Spyderco sprint runs to ship, following the admission of a huge delay on that project, here's where I find myself: I'm going to accept with good humor that last week's estimate was more of the string-them-along-with-optimistic-bullshit routine. I'm going to look forward to my three-months delayed knife. If it arrives as and when NOW predicted--wonderful. If it does not, I'm cxling this drop, my Spyderco drop, my Gavko Thresher drop, and skipping the Ochs-designed drop. I'll probably still buy things from MD periodically, but only if they have the little "in-stock / ships in 2-3 days message". Because all those assurances "any day now", "ALMOST ready", "just one last thing" etc. sound like a deadbeat roommate behind on rent, and I have no interest in dealing with that. If the inherent pressure to misrepresent delivery times is so strong then there's no product or deal on earth good enough to induce me to put up with that.
Aug 11, 2018
AstroBev
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Aug 11, 2018
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SliceyDiceyI believe if you visit the transaction page on your profile there is a way to cancel your order without having to file a dispute with the card company.
Aug 11, 2018
SliceyDicey
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Aug 11, 2018
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AstroBevI think they added that judging from a previous post. Thanks, though!
Aug 11, 2018
SliceyDicey
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Aug 11, 2018
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ErhonHuh... I didn't get the email for that.
Aug 11, 2018
Maugust09
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Aug 11, 2018
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JaleesaGMid september ship date is pretty disappointing after already waiting over a month just for updates. Adding another month without actually setting a date is rough news.
Aug 11, 2018
Nate2016
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Aug 11, 2018
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JaleesaGWhat happened? Thought they were 99.9% done just needed to do the laser engraving. Just curious is all, i am not going to cancel my order.
Aug 11, 2018
AstroBev
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Aug 11, 2018
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Nate2016On Millit's Instagram they recently showed that the lasering was done, but looks like they still need sharpening and assembly. Then they need to ship it all to Massdrop, who will then need to do QC.
Aug 11, 2018
Phoga
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Aug 12, 2018
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JaleesaGSo I'm seeing that some people have cancelled their order...How do I take their spot?!
Aug 12, 2018
Hackenslash
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Aug 12, 2018
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HatuletohYou might be taking a pocket knife way too seriously. Judging from your stressed out over-analysis, buying from Massdrop might not be in your own best interest. There are lots of knives in stock and ready to ship at BladeHQ, KCOTI, etc. These MD knives are different and I’m cool to wait. Your mileage has apparently varied.
Aug 12, 2018
Maugust09
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Aug 12, 2018
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HackenslashI sort of disagree. We have all invested money and expect a level of service. If youre going to give us an expected ship date make it realistic. Theres a reason why many knife companies do not have release dates. People preorder knives, theyre shipped when ready. These are professional and seasoned knife and distro companies, i expect they should know the drill by now. I am excited for this knife and am trying to be patient, but limited communication and flimsy shipping expectations are getting to people. I guess everyone can relax for another month though before we have to stress if the knife will be delayed again!
Aug 12, 2018
Hatuletoh
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Aug 12, 2018
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HackenslashBelieve it or not, I have been accused of over-analyzing before, but I've never been able to get a handle on how much simple, wholesome "analysis" there must be for it to become the craven creature of "over-analysis". My measure has always been whether the examination continues to provide clarity, and understanding, and therefore is helpful to decison-making; or if it has reached the point of muddling the issue, confusing instead of clarifying, thereby impeding decision-making. Although one could make the case that analyzing analyses to determine at what point they become "over-analyses" also qualifies. But what the hell--everyone needs a hobby, and this one probably bugs the neighbors less than the drum kit in the garage.
You're correct that there are many knife retailers with merchandise ready to ship, and I'm fortunate enough to actually live an easy walk from one and an easy drive from another, so in most cases I dont even have to wait for a piece to be shipped to me. But what neither of those retailers have are original knife designs from well-known custom designers/makers, created with feedback from the consumer. That's a damn cool idea, the first and only one of it's kind that I'm aware of, and I'd happily wait twice as long for such a product...if the company is as honest as they can be about the time from the beginning.
This brings us to the core of the issue. Whether it's a week or a month or a year, I do not condone Massdrop providing an expected ship date for a product that they know is almost certainly not going to be met. I understand that delays occur, and many, perhaps even most, can be neither foreseen nor prevented, which is why when the first announcement of a delay was made, my reaction was "it happens, no problem". I wasnt really bothered by it until there had been multiple announcements, and I wondered why--esp so close to the end--they didn't simply give a longer estimate, which would provide some breathing room, and then if we were surprised by an earlier shipment than predicted, it would generate good will instead of the I'll that repeatedly bumping the date back a couple weeks would do?
And that's when I realized there MD preferred to miss a predicted shipment date than to predict a longer one and come in early; I also realized that was certainly because customers would be much less likely to cxl the closer they were, or perceived they were, to receiving the product they'd been waiting on for months; also, they'd be more likely to be signed up in the first place is the initially predicted shipment date was comparatively sooner.
The upshot being that the delays on newly made products I have experienced were quite possibly anticipated, and could have been avoided to some extent with a more honest ship date. That doesn't mean I'd actually have the products in hand any sooner, just that I would have known from the beginning when they'd actually arrive. Maybe it makes no difference to you when a company is intentionally misleading--thats your prerogative. But when you say I'm taking a pocket knife way too seriously you're incorrect: it's not thr knife I'm taking seriously, it's the ethics of the company. And frankly, whether Im buying a pocket knife, a pencil, or a Patek Phillipe, the ethics matter to me. In my past life, my job was figuring out exactly how far the company--a multi-billion dollar international with a reputation so good it added 30-40% to its valuation--could mislead customers before they jumped ship. I hated it so much, it messed with my head so much, I retired...at age 36.
Aug 12, 2018
CaptainScratchy
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Aug 12, 2018
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TheQuietOne75as am i.....i javnt go the print and i never get the 10 dollars off next order they always promise....nevet once.. im really thinking i may be done with massdrop.
Aug 12, 2018
Hackenslash
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Aug 12, 2018
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HatuletohLike I said, you’re overthinking this. I’m not sure if I was supposed to read that wall of text; I didn’t. Knife collecting is a hobby and none of us need this knife for survival. It’s a simple luxury item. You’re approaching this from the assumption of malfeasance on the part of Massdrop. I prefer to accept the fact that things can get screwed up without anyone’s evil intent. You should try it, you might get more enjoyment out of your early retirement.
Aug 12, 2018
DougFLA123
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Aug 13, 2018
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CaptainScratchyI have always received the $10 that they promised.
Aug 13, 2018
TheQuietOne75
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Aug 14, 2018
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HackenslashYep, you definitely didn’t read his response; your answer is so far off the mark it left the page.
Aug 14, 2018
Hackenslash
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Aug 16, 2018
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TheQuietOne75Like I said, I didn't read it. I guess that might be why my comment wasn't relevant to his. I've been consistent in what I've said all along; people need to request refunds or chill out. There's been a lot of over-reaction in these threads when the topic of the histrionics is a luxury item. Yes, MD needs to step up communication. Likewise, many folks need to notch back their sense of entitlement. Enjoy your knives.
Aug 16, 2018
ecoleman
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Hackenslash"... what I've said all along; people need to request refunds or chill out " Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
People have every right to be upset about such badly missed ship dates; it's not an over-reaction to be unhappy with two blown dates and little done to be kept in the loop. Could they have done a better job from the get-go on predicting an accurate date? Probably, but the lack of transparency & communication over delays only fuels the fire. If your amazon prime shipment was 2.5-3 months late you probably wouldn't be quick to 'just chill'.
Aug 16, 2018
AstroBev
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Aug 16, 2018
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HackenslashI think the main point of the guys argument that you're missing is that there may or may not be deception involved. That the delays are not actually delays, that this is actually how long the production was intended to take. I've added a TL;DR at the bottom if you don't care to read a summary of why people think this may be the case, and why it's important to discuss.
By now Massdrop most certainly has detailed statistics on participation in a drop with respect to, among other things, expected ship date. They probably also have statistics on how many orders are canceled due to shipping delays, and the consensus (at least that I've seen on this thread) is the amount of people who will opt out of a drop due to delays is far less than amount of people who skip out on a drop due to an extended ship date. So there is a motive to give a ship date that is impossible to meet, because while they'll lose people when it isn't met, there still a net gain in participation.
Now just because there is a motive doesn't mean that is in actual fact what happened here. But discussing whether this a possibility I think is important. If they are willing to lie about one thing, isn't it feasible that they could make other claims and backtrack? "Blade will be in RWL 34!" then "The original estimate we got from the steel manufacture was unfortunately much lower than the actual cost. As such we will have to downgrade the steel to CPM 154CM, which is still a great, comparable steel! We apologize, and will apply a credit to your account, and open up cancellations to those who would rather have a refund".
It could also be on the manufacture's side as well. Massdrop could have came to them with an offer to give them this huge order, but they needed to meet a certain date. They could have agreed knowing that Massdrop really wouldn't have much of a choice but to stick with it even after a far blown ship date, and perhaps the agreed upon penalties for missing this would be far offset by the size of the order.
TL;DR Massdrop stands to benefit from overly optimistic initial ship dates, the guy is understandably concerned about this. I'm not saying any of this is true, again just because there is a motive doesn't automatically make them guilty. I think it's entirely possible that the manufacturer isn't used to such large orders, as I don't see comments about missed dates in drops where a much larger OEM (WE Knives) is involved. But when a ship date is this far overblown I feel like it is worth discussion, and adding unhelpful comments in the vain of "You're being an entitled idiot for caring about this" while not even bothering to take a minute out of your day to read why they care isn't helping the discussion.
Aug 16, 2018
Hackenslash
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AstroBevI appreciate you taking the time to reply. As I've said all along, MD needs to step up communication. Beyond that, all we can do as customers is speculate. Since speculation seems to be what we're doing here, I'll go ahead and speculate something. It's far less of a conspiracy theory than MD manipulating delivery dates or changing product specs to maximize sales/profits. I speculate that full transparency from MD might result in throwing one of the partners in this drop under the bus. It's affected the timing of delivery and inconvenienced us, but its nothing that we as customers have a right to be privy to. In terms of disclosure, silence would be appropriate in this scenario. Silence WITH a more timely and responsive notification process when delays occur, of course.
There. I've joined the theorists. I think mine is far more plausible than heinous plots and intentional deception. But I'm a glass-half-full guy...
There's certainly no harm is suspecting willful foul play, but don't do so without applying equal weight to the fact that human beings screw up at an alarming rate. One guess is as good as another.
I look forward when we all get our knives and can stop talking about not getting our knives.
Aug 16, 2018
ecoleman
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Hackenslash" I speculate that full transparency from MD might result in throwing one of the partners in this drop under the bus. It's affected the timing of delivery and inconvenienced us, but its nothing that we as customers have a right to be privy to ."
Wrong again. As people who've paid for something with the promise of a ship date that's been broken twice now, we have every right to know what the actual problem was to avoid paying them (whomever really bungled this up) in the future. "human beings screw up at an alarming rate" doesn't fly when you're 3 months late on rent, car payments, or any other situation where money's changing hands.
Aug 16, 2018
TheQuietOne75
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HackenslashIt could be said that the definition of entitled is answering a person‘s comment with your own opinion, that has nothing to do with their comment. Although perhaps egotistical may be a more appropriate definition.
As far as people “notching back their sense of entitlement”, your opinion is duly noted, but if everyone just calmly sat back and said nothing evertime there were delays on a product being delivered, I would be concerned about what message that would send to a company, and how they might exploit that. It was said before; people can just cancel their orders and take their money elsewhere. But it’s customer feedback that is the lifeblood of a business moving forward. And It’s up to each individual customer how that feedback is delivered.
Aug 16, 2018
Hackenslash
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ecolemanDo you realize while criticizing me for calling certain posters "entitled", you're demonstrating entitlement by demanding to know the reason for the delay? The irony...
You have no right. You have a right to take your business elsewhere or accept the delay, with or without knowledge to the cause. Vote with your wallet. That's as far as your rights extend in the business dealings of other parties. It sure would be nice to know what's going on, but this doesn't fall under the Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness vein.
It's obvious at this point we're going to have to agree to disagree so I wish you the best with your knives.
Aug 16, 2018
Hackenslash
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Aug 16, 2018
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TheQuietOne75And again, I never answered a comment nor claimed to.
We'll have to agree to disagree and further debate looks ugly in the thread, so I wish you the best with your knives.
Aug 16, 2018
AstroBev
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ecolemanI can understand the frustration after broken promises on updates, but I agree with him on this point. If he's right and it is the manufacturer, if Massdrop comes out and throws them under the bus it's no good for either side.
What OEM is going to want to do these collaborations again when it appears that in the event of a manufacturering hang up you're going to have your name dragged through the mud? None of the ones with a reputation to uphold for sure. That leaves either some OEM you've never heard of, or something like Ganzo where we'll get full steel handle scales, 8Cr13MoV, and subpar fit and finish.
Aug 16, 2018
TheQuietOne75
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HackenslashSorry, I’ll have you double check the definition of the word “answer”. Perhaps the word “reply” would have been more to your satisfaction? Also, your attempt to control and end the conversation is also duly noted, but that requires consent on both sides which I now gladly give.
Aug 16, 2018
ecoleman
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HackenslashIf you pay someone for a product or service and don't receive what was promised when it was promised, it's not unreasonable to expect further explanation than 'please keep being patient, we're experiencing delays.' That's NOT entitlement.
I'm not asking for a head on a spike, I'd like to know why this was *so* poorly mishandled before continuing to purchase from Massdrop and their partners. They've done little outside of the '$10 on a future drop '(which has become standard for first runs of almost every other knife collab on here anyways) meaning you have to trust this to be worked out and spend MORE money as compensation. That doesn't really inspire confidence in the company.
Aug 16, 2018
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TheQuietOne75Ok Dude, I gotta hand it to you. That was a tremendous dismount and flounce. Cheers!
Aug 16, 2018
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AstroBevYou said the "G" word. I threw up in my mouth a little! Let's hope we never see Ganzo in a drop!
To their credit, MD has backed away from at least one potential manufacturer because of some cloudy product authenticity issues. I think they're committed to supporting legit designs and manufacturers.
Aug 16, 2018
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HackenslashI think it's like a Beetlejuice situation where the name has to be said three times in a thread to summon them, so I think we're safe for now.
And really, when was this? Did they go through with the design with another manufacturer or was it scrapped?
Aug 16, 2018
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HackenslashKeep using them fancy words, and we might end up being friends. ;)
Aug 16, 2018
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HatuletohYou're obviously rich, entitled, and your time is most definitely worth much more than mine or anybody in this drop's.
I hope that when the day comes for me to retire that I just die a few months after in my old age instead of whining and humblebragging on the internet.
This knife went from an idea Schwarz had to a real, tangible item that'll hopefully last a long while. I know the knife is coming and I'm annoyed it's taken longer than expected but shit happens. I still have to work and 99% of the other people here have to as well.
Aug 18, 2018
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PhogaI am right there with you, I am sure a week or 2 after people get it, it will re drop
Aug 20, 2018
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momsafake[Moderated]. I was dissenting on their page in comments and rather than removing my comments or blocking my capacity to post they deleted my account entirely.
I have no access to my previous orders or any capacity to collect on the $10 credit that was given to people for their purchase. To get shipping updates I have to message their customer service.
My account was deleted for asking simple questions regarding Massdrop's suppliers, delivery practices, and customer service. My main complaint being massdrop is a 'community driven' group buy site, however their commitment to their community is terrible. Any complaint is met with 'you can refund your order, we are sorry' and there is no alternative. They do not carry stock as any other retailer, but on a majority of their drops, the price savings are minimal.
You cannot amend a drop after it has closed, even if you contact their customer service immediately after drop close. There is no notification a drop you are signed up for is about to close and the only resolution to a complaint is refund. If you are sent the wrong product, you cannot get a correction, you will only be refunded. [Moderated]
Massdrop is a great organization, if you keep your fucking mouth shut and buy their shit... these product message boards are only for hype and improvement suggestions.
Aug 20, 2018
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massdropisgreatlol nobody forces you to use massdrop
Aug 20, 2018
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massdropisgreatI really doubt it was deleted for just asking questions if you are this aggressive of a person, and that this account isn't already taken down. I have been faced with a problem item once before and they sent me a replacement and a tag to send back the bad one AFTER I got the good one. I have gotten 3 instances of the 10$ credit, one being a double I believe and they work. It is a credit on massdrop, not 10$ back in your pocket. A drop lasts for a certain amount of days and you can check and look where it says (In big red letters when its almost over) how long is left. I have been in 4 or 5 massdrop x ___ drops that have kept me fairly updated, and every time there is a problem they offer the chance to cancel. Complaints are voiced freely and are mostly listened too by their probably limited group, but being a dick doesn't help anyone.
Aug 20, 2018
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JaleesaGCan I trade my $10 credit to get serial #0666? 😁
Aug 21, 2018
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PhogaAfter we ship all the pre-orders, and we see that members have received them and are satisfied, there will be more available - just click "Request" on the front page of this drop and you'll be notified when they're available.
Aug 22, 2018
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SliceyDiceyWe understand that the delay is undesirable - the shipment of steel caused a two-week delay but our initial Estimated Ship Date was simply too ambitious. We got an update from Millit and understood that lasering was the final step, when in fact there was still sharpening and assembly before QC and packing could begin. There's no need to dispute any charges, as we've already offered everyone the option to cancel. Thanks for your patience, we are almost there.
Aug 22, 2018
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TheQuietOne75Have you contacted support? They shipped out awhile back, if you didn't get one yet then we may need to ship a new one - not sure what happened but we want you to get what was promised and we'll do our best to figure it out.
Aug 22, 2018
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S_limNo, they were shipped separately - if you didn't get one, please contact support to let them know and we'll try to get one (re)sent.
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It's not public info we censor. It's harassment.
Aug 22, 2018
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JonasHeinemanThanks for jumping on this, Jonas.
Jaleesa has reached out already. Think she’s got this well handled.
Aug 22, 2018
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S_limYes! Your print is en route to you :-) (Since the knives ship from our warehouse in New Jersey and the prints are in our San Francisco office, we sent it separately).
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We don't stop people from communicating their issues. In fact, we encourage people to tell us what they think. Even you. We stop people from harassing others which is how our relationship began if you recall.
I'd love for you to feel heard, but at this point I don't know if that's possible.
Love you too.
Aug 22, 2018
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DuncanAnd this is why you have people like, well most of us here who love this company and the customer service we receive. Thank you Duncan, Jonas, and of course Jaleesa
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DuncanThe relationship started when you deleted my account and stopped me from tearing into mito. The shit would have died on its own if you didn't censor what amounts to nothing. He is now selling shirts through the outlet, ffs. Your definition of harassment is counter to the internet. I recall you failed to answer my questions that I still have and proceed to ask. I have no way to get the information I need.
1) Does massdrop provide fair wages to their foreign suppliers? (as a community driven business I'd expect no less) 2) Does massdrop ship incorrect product when suppliers provide short stock? (how often are you not fulfilling your commitments to your customer) 3) How does massdrop ensure they are not selling weapons, lockpicks, and prohibited devices to children?
Duncan, You deleted my profile and I am owed a $10 credit for this massive shipping delay... any idea on how I can collect? I know that all my 'harassment' has caused quite a stir in your massive organization, hopefully not so much to cause a rift between your actions and your commitments. Ban him!
Aug 22, 2018
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BenjaboolyThere are a lot of massdrop fanboys... don't hold your breath bud, they aren't gonna send you something free for the public BJs.
Aug 22, 2018
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duncanismybuddyNah its just fun to have this community to chat with people about interests you care about. I just feel bad that it is policed by a handful of people who probably don't get thanked a lot, and as someone who works hard myself, I enjoy getting that. You keep reposting the same thing in several pages, and they clearly don't censor that they have emails and that you CAN contact them. If you came at this more respectfully and not assuming entitlement to instant gratification I'm sure everything would of went much smoother, and you also of ended up happy.
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JonasHeinemanIt’s been handled. Jaleesa responded via email, and I’ve been told that it’s on the way. Thank you for the follow up though. 👍
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duncanismybuddy1) Yes. 2) No. 3) The same way the rest of the online retailers do it.
Your $10 credit was for your next purchase on Massdrop. That doesn't translate to us giving you $10, that's for your a discount on your next transaction. You'll also recall your explicit request to our customer support team to cancel every outstanding order you had. Doesn't make much sense to give you that credit anymore unless you're planning on making a purchase which if you're going to do that for the sake of harassing our team then well we get right back to the harassment don't we.
Aug 22, 2018
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Duncan1) show me 2) show me 3) ok, so like any other organization, you do not care if you sell knives, lockpicks or prohibited devices to children. As a community driven organization, you should do more.
4) I understand it is a credit towards my next purchase, thats why I keep calling it a 10 dollar credit. I would like it, doesn't matter if I intend to use it, your organization provided the option to people who have participated in the drop. If you are removing my capacity to do business with your organization, that is another story.
Either way, I have no recourse, all I can do is continue to encourage users to contact Steve and sign you guys up for as much spam mail as I can.
And duncan, I have your personal cell number... Realize, I am not harassing you or your organization.
Aug 22, 2018
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duncanismybuddy1) Not allowed to do that. 2) Not sure how to prove that to you to your satisfaction so not entirely possible. 3) 👍 4) Would seem as though your intention, based on your last statement, is to continue harassing not only those in the community, but us at the company so I'm not going to necessarily advocate for that.
To give you $10 credit at this point would be to ensure you'd be on good behavior. Asking the community to spam us doesn't necessarily reflect that.
Aug 22, 2018
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DuncanWhat the fuck is good behavior? Jesus dad... thanks for the confirmation.
1) So I take your word you do not have a chinese kid working for 2 dollars a day stamping steel blanks?
2) Show me numbers on your delivery information. This information should be supplied with drops. We should know how good the supplier is on delivering on the product. We should be able to look at what your supplier sent you and how many orders were fulfilled. People who are short should be given an option and not sent extra stock of the incorrect variant. You as the vendor have a greater commitment to the customer if you are going to be a 40 million dollar organization riding the community driven model.
3) thumbs up to not caring about selling knives to kids
4) You should honor your commitment to your customer and not manipulate your way out of the circumstances because you overreacted and deleted an account rather than having a civil discussion.
Aug 22, 2018
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duncanismybuddy1) Correct. We have great people, in great factories/workshops/companies, making great products. No kiddos. 2) Not allowed to do that. Shipping the incorrect product is something we aim to correct whenever it happens, not to force upon the customer. 3) Thumbs up was for you accepting my answer. 4) If we honor our commitment to you, you honor your commitment to us. I'm referring, of course, to our Terms of Service.
I'm still here for any questions or concerns you have that I can answer.
Aug 22, 2018
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Duncan1) again, I ask your organization to do more than just provide savings. As a community driven organization, I'd rather see than take your word for it. Please provide information with the drops on your suppliers, not just the people doing the designing. You are profiting from hype and low wage standards.
2) You should be allowed to do that, it is not harmful information and people would appreciate to know your supplier performance and your commitment to your customer's satisfaction as a vendor. Right now we have no idea if you are incorrectly filling orders then refunding when people complain.... if they complain.
3) Yeah, I thought it was odd that you supported the internet's poor practice of selling anything to anybody, including children.
4) Your terms of service are so vague you could consider any dissent to be a violation. If you don't want the language on your site, create a filter that stops it. Rather, you are fostering the environment in which you use discretion to enforce ambiguous terms.
Give me the 10 dollar credit on my old account, as is your commitment to my purchase of your product. If you are removing my account, permanently, please let me know. Otherwise, I will continue to speak as I have in the past, because sharing public information and asking simple questions should not be suppressed and is not harassment.
Aug 22, 2018
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BenjaboolyDon't forget, those people doing the policing are getting paid, that is how massdrop says thank you.
Please let me know how I am demanding instant gratification.
Aug 22, 2018
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duncanismybuddy1) I tell you all that I can with every question that you ask, I promise. But I can't just give out information of our suppliers. Not how it works here. 2) It's not about information being harmful. We ship the correct items to the correct people, and just like other online retailers, sometimes there's a mistake that needs correction. We will know for absolute sure if the customer lets us know, and then we do our best to fix the issue. Plain and simple, my friend. 3) Yup, definitely don't support children with any unsafe anything. 4) Vague terms or not, we take each case seriously, and honestly, each one is different. We don't just censor, delete, edit, or anything without forethought. We're constantly evolving our tools so in good time we'll have the filters we need. We're a relatively small team of humans at this point. I hope you can see and understand that.
Your account was deleted permanently, but our toolset doesn't stop you from creating more accounts as you have in this discussion. And instead of constantly deleting them whack-a-mole style, I'd much rather hear you out.
Asking questions simple or not is always, always allowed. I'm doing my best to do that for you now. Doesn't mean I can get you the answers you want, and that's certainly not what we're interested in suppressing.
I'm still here if you need.
Aug 22, 2018
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Duncan1) I am requesting you provide the information in the drop, not to me directly. I know it is a lot to ask, but I make this request because you are hiding behind the term "community driven." Sorry this is the first time somebody has asked the hard questions, rather than making color changes and neat designs. I want to know who your suppliers are and if you are practicing good wage standards. Currently your response leaves much to be desired, and based on the industry standard I cannot take your word for it. Please provide information on your supplier work conditions with your drops. Do not respond saying you cannot, you are being closed minded. It is not my job to resolve my complaint, it is my job to raise my concern. You as the retailer ought to handle the issue without suppressing the comment and asking us to trust you.
2) This is information I am requesting you provide on your drops as well. You should be held accountable for your shipments and from my personal experience I had more delivery issues than success with my orders. Consequently, I ask your organization does more to hold itself accountable for delivery. I have no recourse. For example, Apple designed obsolescence into their product and the consumers in the class action suit got $10 after the whole thing was said and done. Even if I were to prove standing regarding your poor delivery practices, I have no resource to follow through. The system is predatory and you are taking advantage of a target audience who doesn't ask questions. I feel you owe more to them and should display your delivery performance. I understand you will tell me no, but this is not my responsibility to resolve. Again, I raise the issue, you fix the problem, or just ban me if you cannot handle the cupcake dissent.
3) You don't support it but you enable it.
4) So you agree the terms are vague and if you consider things on a case by case I appreciate that your consideration to my account was to delete it. We've been over this but you need to realize that your whak-a-mole approach only creates moles... How are you going to give me the 10 dollar credit for future purchases that you owe me for the massive inconvenience you have caused by not fulfilling your delivery commitment?
Aug 22, 2018
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JaleesaGIf anyone is interested, there's an update from Millit's page: https://www.instagram.com/millitknives/?hl=en
Aug 22, 2018
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duncanismybuddy1) Not being closed-minded, I just simply cannot share that info with you. 2) We try to improve our delivery practices all the time. I'm genuinely sorry you've had bad experiences. We've done our best to rectify your outstanding issues. You have more resources than you give yourself credit for. 3) You're welcome to your view on that though I respectfully disagree. 4) I think the wording says exactly what it needs to, legally speaking. I don't think it's vague necessarily. At the end of the day we took a very rare action with your account, and we had deliberated that very seriously as a team.
Still here if you need.
Aug 22, 2018
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duncanismybuddylol I was gonna make a joke about grown ups acting like babies but I can't be so sure you're an adult with all the crying.
Aug 23, 2018
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duncanismybuddyIt looks like you're the ONLY one demanding information about suppliers, orders, deliveries, etc. Personally I don't care, nor feel like I have any business knowing how many of what item was ordered, how many were delivered, who supplies what to whom...that is company business. I work in a small but growing family owned enterprise and there's no reason that these guys should even be entertaining your antics besides the fact that they show more consideration to others than you do. I'm amazed that Duncan has the restraint and professionalism he does to continue dealing with you. Unless you are a stockholder in the company, or an employee with a need to know the information (you have decided you are entitled to) for the efficient completion of your duties, no one has any obligation and depending on the situation, the legal ability to give you all of the information you want for your own personal gratification. I'm sure that Massdrop will be just fine without you and your patronage, and it doesn't seem like you have any need of their services, other than to "win" this argument and force someone to give you want you want. Stop hijacking a discussion forum that is supposed to be about ONE PRODUCT and keeping tab on that progress for your own personal crusade. Go make your childish spam threats and carry on your temper tantrum somewhere else. You say you can contact all these people directly? GO DO IT and stop your public drama party!
Aug 23, 2018
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Docp91BThis is my last connection to this organization and they have managed to push delivery back 3 separate times.... sorry for the drama party
Aug 23, 2018
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Duncan1) why do you keep saying "with you" - I am not asking to personally receive the information, I am asking for it to be supplied with every drop. Rather than focusing on the designer, share information on where are the material is coming from... share a little of the information, set a standard. Stop saying the same thing, and I will have to stop reiterating myself. If anything go, "ok, I will pass along the suggestion..." please, I shouldn't have to tell you how to do your job.
2) the same applies as 1... dude... I do not want the information for my personal gain. I think massdrop doesn't do well and could do better. Please refer to 1
3) Then we can put it to rest.
4) where is my credit for your poor service? I am amazed your organization had to waste any time discussing my posts. If your website had the capacity to squelch or block prohibited terms, the problem would never have arose. If you are going to hang your hat on personal responsibility and insist people writing on the message board act to your own admittedly vague terms then own up yourself, provide the information on your drops, and give me my $10 credit.
I will always be here. And to the people who see my perspective as complaining... sorry we don't agree.
Aug 23, 2018
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duncanismybuddyThey've pushed delivery back 3 separate times. If that is the worst you have to accept in your life, you have an amazing life. What you are ranting about in this thread has NOTHIGN to do with this knife, nor does it have anything to do with the production delays pertaining to. You previous said that you had people's personal cell phone numbers, and the ability to email employees directly. So no, this is not your "last connection." I spent the better part of a 21 year military carrier as an NCO supervising junior enlisted troops and I know BS excuses when they are spewed at me. If you don't have a good excuse, don't come up with a bad one. And, apology accepted.
Aug 23, 2018
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Docp91BTheir delivery practices are poor and they should be included with the drop at the end to let people know their suppliers provided the correct quantity and the vendor distributed them correctly.
Thanks for your service, but you are reading too much into shit. And it is surprising you'd spend 21 years in the service dealing with children to come online to argue. Get some bud!!! Get SOME!!!
Aug 23, 2018
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duncanismybuddyI just don't even know how to respond to a post that...I don't even know what to call it. Have a wonderful life. Maybe study up on subcontractors & supply chains to pass the time while you wait out the delivery date for the knife.
Aug 23, 2018
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Docp91Bhes a military man and a business expert!
Aug 23, 2018
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duncanismybuddyYour entitlement is palpable. Human interaction is definitely not your bag. You paid for a knife with an estimated delivery. It's late. Not out of malice, not intentionally. They're offering ten dollars of another drop, it's not a refund. They aren't obligated to give it to you and you didn't earn it. I can picture you in my head and you've got jeans with sequined pockets and the "I wanna talk to your manager" haircut.
It's clear to me that Massdrop did themselves, the community, and, most of all, YOU a favor by deleting your account. They owe you a pocket knife or a refund. Nothing more.
Just stop.
Aug 23, 2018
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duncanismybuddyI’ll send you the $10 if you [will just leave]
[moderated]
I’ve been moderated! ☹️ ...but that guy really pissed me off! 😎
Aug 23, 2018
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duncanismybuddyWow, you're annoying.
Aug 23, 2018
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duncanismybuddyWow, i feel like you owe me $10 for the time I took to read this drama mini-series 😂
Are you serious dude? They're a reseller, they don't manufacture, why the hell would they be able to tell you anything about working conditions? You think they personally inspect every plant worldwide for every brand that they sell for?? Hahaha
Likewise, why would they give anyone any information about everyone else's shipments?
When it comes down to it, in simplest terms, they're no different than Amazon. They resell other companies products for a profit, while getting their customers a discount due to volume of sales. And sometimes they hire OEM manufacturers to create a product under their name. Do you expect Amazon to research the business practices of every brand they sell? Do you ask them the provide data on the thousands of shipments they sent to other people every time you order the same item? This is beyond ridiculous 🤣
Aug 23, 2018
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KavikLoL, he owes us all $10 !
Aug 23, 2018
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DuncanYou my friend, have the patience of a saint!
Aug 23, 2018
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duncanismybuddyDid you mean to flag your own post or were you trying to do something else with it?
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Benjabooly
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AlexPkAlex had the power to win this... and he did.
Aug 23, 2018
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SliceyDiceyI havnt even gotten a signed print. Nor did i get my 10 dollars off the always promise but never give.
Aug 24, 2018
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CaptainScratchyWe will look into that for you.
Aug 24, 2018
DougFLA123
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CaptainScratchyThat’s a big surprise! I’ve gotten the $10 credit toward my next purchase several times. Every time they said they would do it, they did it. I’ve got a $10 credit right now that’s just waiting to be used!
Aug 24, 2018
Kavik
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DougFLA123Same, I'm currently holding 3x$10 credits 😊 I've never once NOT gotten one they said they would give me
Aug 24, 2018
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KavikLove those credits! 😄
Aug 24, 2018
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AlexPkDissent is not tolerated well within an established community. Your comment was petty.
Aug 29, 2018
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duncanismybuddyAs if all your crying and fits haven't been petty. I can't imagine a life so easy where a delayed knife can plunge me into such disarray.
Aug 29, 2018
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Deja vu https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-schwarz-perpetua/talk/2178468
You feeling alright there buddy? You've gone from repetitively reiterating to flat out repeating yourself. Should we be worried? Is there someone we can call for you, a guardian or a mental health professional?
Aug 29, 2018
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duncanismybuddyYour tunnel vision is truly astounding. How can you call that petty with all you have said? Also I thought we were done here.
Aug 29, 2018
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We haven’t heard from you in a while...I figured (was hoping) you were banned!
Aug 29, 2018
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DougFLA123Is this guy the same as massdropisgreat? Seems like it. If so, I don't think being banned has stopped them from trolling around and being insufferable.
Aug 29, 2018
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duncanismybuddySorry if it seemed that way. Was honestly asking, but I'll take your response to mean "it was an accident". Have a good one.
Aug 29, 2018
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BknguyenI don’t know if it’s the same guy, but I’ve never read anything as bad as what this guy was saying on here. He really is a troubled individual. It really got to be too much! It’s such a great website with so many great people sharing knowledge and similar interests. He was working a lot of people’s last nerve!
Aug 29, 2018
Duncan
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DougFLA123It's the same guy. We, like other platforms (FB, TW, etc.), can delete people (if we need to, but honestly never want to), but they can just create other accounts and spring back up again.
Aug 29, 2018
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DougFLA123Massdrop has no actual control over their profiles... If I wanted I could create an entirely false email .... poop@poop.com and they would allow me to create a new account... there is absolutely no verification process.
The people defending massdrop need to stop complaining about my posts and take their own advice. Your whining about my whining isn't going to resolve my complaints.
Aug 29, 2018
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AlexPkYou were honestly asking why I flagged my post? As if you were to take my advice? Like I'd say something like "thanks for checking in, I was too stupid to delete or edit my own content so I flagged it, hoping an admin would jump online to ask if I wanted my post deleted."
If that is your train of thought, you have got to be one of the stupidest people alive capable of using a keyboard. Rather, chances are you were baiting me, which is equally as stupid, to bait a troll who is asking basic questions about your organization's trash business practices.
Your administrator Duncan has removed my profile and you come online and engage me with a foot in your mouth comment like "why'd you flag your own post" ... Stay classy.
Aug 29, 2018
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duncanismybuddyDon't you get it? NOBODY here cares about your complaints and this IS NOT THE FORUM form them. Why can't you get that through your head. You've stated your complaints. You've stated more than once that you get no resolution through these channels that that you have the personal ability to contact the MD employees to talk to them about your petty complaints. So why are you still here posting the same garbage like a petulant child? You're a troll, an online corporate terrorist. Your only concern is making people have to read through your repetitive garbage over and over even though it's clear you have no support for your ridiculous demands here. Is your presence here punishment for not agreeing with you?
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Docp91BThanks for the time
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duncanismybuddySo, if you like, we can aim to come to a conclusion with this.
The last remaining question/issue you have is regarding your credit. Which I'll get to here. I believe I've explained my/our position on divulging our company/vendor information and that we won't be able to meet that request.
In regards to your credit, to issue that to you would mean that you want to continue service with us, meaning buying, at the very least, one more drop. Let me know if I've assumed incorrectly that you don't want to do any business with us anymore, but giving you that credit would mean the opposite.
If you have no use for it, then genuinely let me know. I've sincerely aimed to answer what I can, and to make sure your issues were/are taken care of, and I'm still here. I've literally done everything I can to get you what you need as a customer, and to make sure you were answered as a member of the community. That's not me talking from some script. I assure you, like everyone else at this company, I'm just trying to be human.
We have every opportunity to go our separate ways as well. I won't be deleting your account by any means, but this conversation doesn't need to go on and on like it has. I think that would benefit everyone involved really.
I can assure you that over time, we'll only improve upon all of the issues and areas you've covered in your comments and questions no matter the amount of info I can give you about all of that today.
Lastly, everyone here has seen and heard your comments. You have my e-mail. If you have more, then feel free to use it. Duncan.Campbell@massdrop.com as you have pointed out. Otherwise, this conversation is over.
Thanks, Duncan
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duncanismybuddyWay to make things personal, Jordan. You seem like a real awful person. Congrats on everything you've accomplished here, I hope it made you feel something.
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NotsurewhyibotherI don’t get it. What does this mean?
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DougFLA123It means: "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Aug 30, 2018
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DuncanWhy do you keep asking me to stop posting?
I can do this forever as is defined in your terms and website functionality. I am not harassing anybody because I am asking simple questions. If your patrons do not appreciate the questions give them the opportunity to mute the replies... rather you create the circumstances that enable my dissent by posting a little red dot on all the people involved in this thread every time I protest.
Your website is only setup to collect money and spread hype. Please include information on your supplier work conditions and delivery history for every drop. You should provide more to the community than just pretty pictures and a forum of nothing. If anybody has any issue with the delivery and service of massdrop they are encouraged to lookup the company via linked in and contact whoever they feel is necessary. The email system uses the employees firstname.lastname@massdrop.com. There really is no other outlet. Massdrop does not have a telephone service and if you wanted to contact the organization directly their employees must use their personal cell phones - a representation of the abhorrent customer service this 40 million dollar organization provides.
People to consider contacting: Steve El-Hage Jasper Chan Louis Topper Nelson Wu Duncan Campbell Brad Ross
Aug 30, 2018
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duncanismyboyYou're harassing everyone and anyone who doesn't want to read your written diarrhea anymore. You are the epitome of self absorbed privilege. For the life of me, I don't know why Duncan, or anyone else at Massdrop keeps letting you post. The only thing I can of is that they are better men than me. But I think it's been made quite clear that many people - legitimate customers, satisfied customers, users of this service, and people who want to keep tabs on this forum for future updates DON'T want to hear from you anymore. That is not Duncan's responsibility, or Massdrop's. It's in 100% your selfish egotistical entitlement to continuously post gibberish and self-serving demands. Stop changing your name like a brat, stop acting more immature than my three year old son who was told he can't bring home that new toy he say at Walmart, be a man, go the hell away, and LEAVE US ALL ALONE!
Aug 30, 2018
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DuncanSeriously, if he's not going to stop can't you just give him the boot? I'll buy 10 more knives.
Aug 30, 2018
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HatuletohIs it a scene from a movie?
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Docp91B
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DougFLA123It's from Billy Maddison.
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Docp91BWe technically already did, and doing so again doesn't seem like it'll work. That being said, we're currently working on tools to help with situations like this so stay tuned. Greatly appreciate your patience with this in the meantime.
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duncanismyboyFor fuck's sake dude, let it go already. No one asked you to stop posting, he asked you to conclude this ONE particular conversation, as you've already gotten the answers you're going to get, multiple times actually. (the rest of us want you to stop talking in general, but that's another story, and isn't on MD)
No one is going to offer you anything more. Go ahead, show us ONE reseller that provides the details you're looking for on either their shipping statistics or the workplace conditions of every place they resell items for. (RESELLER being the operatayive word! If you want info about the manufacturing plant, contact the manufacturer, not the retailers! It ain't rocket surgery) No? Can't find one? How about Amazon, or ebay? Surely those big name companies have all this information readily available like you say it should be? No? How about BladeHQ, or SKNW, they're more reasonably sized companies with decent reputations, they deal with all these same manufacturers, maybe they're a better chance of finding what you need (want/feel entitled to) ........no? How surprising 🙄
Is your time really worth so little that the hours you've spent whining don't surpass the value of the one item you're so butt hurt over?
Just walk away if you're so unhappy man. I don't know who you think it is you're helping/saving/protecting with your repetative "informational" posts, but we're all big boys and girls here, we can look after ourselves, your "services" are no longer required
Aug 30, 2018
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duncanismyboyWe know how to contact Massdrop if we have a problem. They’ve been great at resolving any issue I’ve ever had. Why do you think we need you to tell us how to contact Massdrop if we have an issue? Its pretty straight forward.
Aug 30, 2018
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Docp91BOh, ok. Thank you.
Aug 30, 2018
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Docp91Bcalm down bud, nobody is forcing you to open massdrop and partake in this messaging. You are compelling yourself to participate, you demand my silence, then call me entitled? Cool.
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You are just a copy/paste wizard aren’t you?
Aug 30, 2018
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DougFLA123And you are just as starved for attention as I am!
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DuncanWhy don’t you leak this guys ( @duncanismyboy ) first and last name, his mailing address, his email address, his home phone number, his cell phone number and anything else you have on him. Lets see what happens then.
Aug 30, 2018
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duncanismyboyLoL 😂
Aug 30, 2018
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DougFLA123Yeah, I often threaten people on the internet over nothing. Makes sense... and one can only hope massdrop publishes a customer's personal information. It would provide great legal standing for damages.
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DougFLA123Only in the business of makin' peace, my friend. And I believe I've done all I can there. Would recommend people stop replying to him at the very least. I know this has been immensely bothersome to alot of people.
Then we can start talking about knives again.
Aug 30, 2018
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duncanismyboyYou certainly leave a lot of nothing posts!
Aug 30, 2018
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duncanismyboyYes, when I get a notification that there is a new post in this discussion, it brings me back here to look at the progress of the discussion. The discussion that was intended for the purpose of discussion this specific drop, of this specific knife. I should not have to disable alerts, mute a conversation I am interested in, or miss any updates to the subject the discussion is actually dedicated to because one spoiled piece of shit has decided that it is his own personal sounding board, no matter how anyone else here feels. Yes, you are entitled, and yes, I want your silence because it reflects not only my feelings, but also those of other group members. You are a selfish, worthless, trouble causing element who simoly wants to cause as much discomfort and inconcenience for others as he can. Why? Because he is unhappy and insists that he should be satiafied, or no one else should be either.
Aug 30, 2018
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Docp91BI think you are off base regarding my motivation. Thank you for your continued support.
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duncanismyboySurely it wasn't a threat of anything violent. Probably just so people can keep sending you the same exact letter over and over and over and over and over..... Because, by your standards, that's certainly not harassing behavior 😏
Aug 30, 2018
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KavikStupid shit guy... stupid shit.
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Okay, I'm just gonna say one more thing, then I'm done. Your obviously too intentionally obtuse to get anything out of anything I've said to you so far.
By now you've repeated that same long spiel about MD's contact info at last half a dozen times. If I were moderating this board, I would be starting to delete your comments at this point. Not even for the sake of censorship, but purely for the purpose of keeping threads clear of "spam" messaging. No forums allow that to go on unchecked the way you're doing. They're being way more fair and patient with you than you deserve.
That's all, have a nice day
Aug 30, 2018
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KavikThey can't stop me because their website is a siv that allows anybody to create a profile. Right now I am operating from poopy12@poop.com as my email address. Whatever you have to say is a mute point based on the fact Massdrop is enabling the behavior. It helps that you go out of your way to espouse garbage that encourages me to continue the protest.
"If a little stir raises a big stink, you are on the right path" - some guy who changed history
Aug 30, 2018
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Please stop confusing what is relevant to you with what is relevant to "customers". And please self aggrandizing what you are doing here, like you are sine kind of freedom fighter or warrior for justice. I have actually had more items delayed from Amazon than Massdrop. Several Prime shipped items that should have arrived in 2 days that took longer to arrive. You have a personal beef with Massdrop because you're a crybaby over a delayed shipping of a knife. We get it. Stop whining about it. As someone who works in a family business that operats with suppliers and subcontractors, I can tell you there are several reasons a company does not make that information available on a whim. Actual rational business related reasons. You are asking for irrational things. You feel entitled to things you are not, as a non-employee, with zero need to know. If you are unhaoly with the practices of this company just MOVE ON and leave it for those of us who have had nothing but good experiences. Or thise who have had a rough time or two, but are not cry babies about it and understand that sometimes in this world you have deal with a bump in the road. Did it ever occur to you that you may not be well suited to online purchasing? WE at the Massdrop community you keep mentioning. WE are the community that you are disrespecting the wishes of, annoying, and making as ass of yourself in front of. WE are the community that doesnt have a problem with how Massdrop works. YOU are obviously not part of this community and have no business here. Go play missionary somewhere else and please leave us alone. I'm asking nicely, and asking you to respect the wishes of this community. If nothing else, the community of enthusiests that ate grateful we are in the position in life to have the money to spend on am item like this, and are thankful it's coming, rather than having tantrums over it being late. Thank you.
Aug 30, 2018
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Docp91BYou should work on your sentence structure and using paragraphs to break up your ideas, it will read better.
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DuncanYou’re right. We just keep egging him on, giving him what he wants.
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duncanismyboySo I take that as a total disregard for anything I actually said, and that is noted. And I am not surprised at all. I tried to give you the bennefit of the doubt there for a second. Oh well.
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DougFLA123Correct.
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DuncanIs there a way to block stuff from a soecific user, or a way to mute alerts and messages from just him?
Aug 30, 2018
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Docp91BYou'd be surprised at the lack of privacy controls massdrop provides their users. There is no option for you.
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Docp91BWe're working on that right now actually. That, and more to come.. soon.
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DuncanNot soon enough apparently.
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duncanismyboy" I am not harassing anybody because I am asking simple questions. "
"... you are just as starved for attention as I am! "
" Your whining about my whining isn't going to resolve my complaints."
You're being a SOB while hiding behind some faux justice warrior BS, pretending like you're doing good. Your head is so far up your a** it's astounding. Side note, if you're gonna be this confrontational, maybe delete your original account. But I guess the fact that you haven't is pretty consistent with your behaviour so far.
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DuncanThanks!
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duncanismyboyUp to now, You're the only reason I need such controls, so I don't fault them. But here you are, trying to turn MD into a bad guy again when it's your repugnant behavior that makes such things necessary.
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JaleesaGI just want to say that despite the consistent antagonism of someone around here, I am really excited for the upcoming shipment. If a delay in getting a $100+ knife is really the worst thing someone has to complain about, that's a pretty sweet life they're living! I'm thrilled to be among such a cool bunch of people in this drop, and I really appreciate the $10 credit, which has already been put to use on the Gavko Thresher. Massdrop really hasn't let me down yet. Thanks!
Aug 30, 2018
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Docp91BMassdrop caters to the privileged few who have luxury of choice. You do not have to read these comments, you do not need to use the service, and you do not need to care if Massdrop does good. You just want your stuff. Massdrop invites the criticism by advertising themselves as "community driven" - fortunately for massdrop a majority of their users are so infatuated with shiny things, the hard questions are not asked.
I am asking for delivery performance and for information on their suppliers work conditions. Sorry it is too much for you to handle, @Docp91B .
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duncanismybabyThere is absolutely no reason you need that, nor any reason you are entitled to it. Period. I challenge you to come up with one serious, business related justification that entitles you to that information? Even if you truly think you are, how is this discussion the correct forum to pursue that? Here's a hint - it's not. As I have stated earlier, the community is the group of people enjoying Massdrop. We are the community. We drive it. We vote on future drops. We discuss what we like. We join in drops. WE ARE THE COMMUNITY.
Aug 30, 2018
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duncanismybabyHi there.
Until our recent interaction I’ve somehow remained mostly unaware of you and your situation as it involves this site and more specifically your back and forth with Duncan. Since you are clearly upset, I have asked for the background story and have since perused the verbal transactions taking place between you, and both Duncan and the community at large.
I agree with your previous comment that, for the most part your recent individual comments don’t reflect any egregious violation of our rules for the usage of the Discussion system on their own.
However, it is clear that Duncan has afforded every effort to give you the information requested in as comprehensive and respectful a manner as possible, and your persistence in “asking simple questions” exists solely to disrupt the conversation at hand.
As mentioned we are working on a “block” feature as quickly as possible in order to give everyone the ability to simply ignore other users at their own discretion, but since that is not an option right now I will step in to moderate the conversation.
I am politely asking one last time that you adhere to the spirit of the Discussion system which exists to share and interact with others as it directly pertains to the drop.
I apologize if you feel that the information previously provided is unsatisfactory, but the Discussion system does not exist to resolve issues regarding site wide policy or otherwise complex off topic issues. If you would like to discuss any of that further you are very well aware of how to contact us.
Going forward, I will remove any additional posts that reiterate the same basic points that you have already made, posts with no relevancy to the conversation, or posts that exist solely to antagonize other users of the site. These have been reported by multiple users and do not serve to further the discussion in any constructive way.
To everyone else, the same is true for any replies that are in the same spirit of off topic argument.
Thanks, Alex
edit: While writing this you seem to have made several accounts. While nothing stops you from doing it and I don't typically bother with attempting to remove them, it is against our guidelines so if I find them I will remove them.
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DuncanHere is another idea. Maybe after a drop has completed and is inactive, a feature where only verified purchasers can post in that discussion? Just an idea.
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Docp91BWouldn’t help. The guilty parties are part of the drop. Unfortunately the rest of us have to suffer through the comment thread version of drinking bleach until the drop is complete.
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TheQuietOne75I will say this: this whole experience has made me rethink wether saving few extra dollars is worth the effort. I’ve ordered three other blades that have been delivered with no hassle from other merchants, and didn’t have to deal with comment thread hijacking. Just my experience and opinion.
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Email verification is another feature in the pipeline.
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TheQuietOne75Hey, don't let one bad apple (in this case, more like a steaming pile of mulch at this point) ruin an otherwise great community for you. You're free to buy wherever you'd like but with Massdrop, you're also connected to folks with similar interests, good and bad. I think the good outweighs the bad and that's why I continue to be involved here. Hopefully with Massdrops promised changes, things like this don't keep selfishly sh*tting everywhere. Hope you stick around
Aug 30, 2018
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duncanismybabyLast morsel I'll feed the troll: nobody else is concerned about that.
Now for something that actually troubles me. Massdrop, I have spent MINUTES of my life reading what old crybaby has to say that I will never regain. I feel that I am now entitled to serial #0666. If that cannot be done, then I have no choice but to continue living a life where I have nothing else to fret over.
(but fr, c'mon #0666 😈)
Aug 30, 2018
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Docp91BUnfortunately that would be very restrictive for potential future buyers. I, for one, didn't get in on this drop. But I did come here to see what news there was for it, and when it finally ships I may want to talk with owners to decide if I want to get in on it next time. That's what makes these boards useful i think
@AlexPkThanks for stepping up with some manual "spam monitoring" as well as looking at future proofing these issues. The things you mentioned sound like steps in the right direction. If I may add just one last opinion, i actually don't fully agree with the way deleted users are currently handled. By leaving comments and reviews in place, but removing the user name that was associated, it makes it harder for other users to know what's worth considering.
Say, for example, a user who had knowledgeable and relevant reviews, who did one egregious thing that got him banned, I'd rather still see the name and know I could trust the review. Versus someone who is always negative and snarky and has some vendetta, who writes a scathing review that sounds legit, but in reality it was payback for some perceived slight.
The way it is now everyone who has ever been banned becomes [deleted user] and following conversations/reviews becomes difficult sometimes. Most forums I know leave the name and append it with a tag to indicate they're banned and it seems to work well.
Just my 2 cents. Keep up the good work, and I'll be looking forward to hearing more about this knife once it gets in people's hands 👍
Aug 30, 2018
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KavikNoted and agree. There are a lot of little quality of life fixes I would like to see and this is definitely a good point.
Aug 31, 2018
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AlexPkThank you for stepping in...all of a sudden it’s so much more peaceful around here. : )
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KavikI see your point there, and I agree. I haven't commented on a drop I haven't been a part of so I never thought of it in those terms. It makes sense that people might want to see how a first run turns out (or maybe just missed the drop) before diving in. I'm with you, not only in your response to me, but your suggestion to Alex too.
Aug 31, 2018
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TheQuietOne75Yah, but were are you going to get cool knives like this. Don't say the obvious answer of anywhere else and just go with it. In all honesty this little "conversation" was rather funny since I wasn't a part of it and will be remembered fondly every time I decide to carry my perpetua for the day.
Aug 31, 2018
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SenilePenileThis conversation will be the farthest thing from my mind when I finally carry it.
And to to answer your first question, the answer is allll over the place. Massdrop is unique, but it’s not an island for this hobby.
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You do know saying "stop reading them" does not help because we get both alerts and emails about your constant harassment, right?
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AlexPkHey alex my man, I dont know your view on reddit, it being another forum, but /r/legaladvice might know a way to get rid of this guy, considering its starting to really become harassment.
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DougFLA123
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Are you who I think you are?
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Benjabooly
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DougFLA123Doug, let the thread die
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BenjaboolyYou’re right
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Hatuletoh
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DougFLA123What Doc91B said is true, but by no means a full explanation. Here you go, get hip to what the kids are into: https://www.google.com/amp/samp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/ultimate-insult-man ...well, what the "kids" who are now around 40 yrs old were into back in the 1990s.
Ah, good ol' 90s. The last gasp of the old world, where some info was still arcane, and one demonstrated one's social status and clique orthodoxy by ones knowledge of that arcana. The time before the sum total of human knowledge was carried around in everyone's pocket or purse, and when there was still a socially recognized and acceptable state of being "out" or "away" or "unavailable", and therefore unable to communicate on a phone until an indeterminate future time. I'm no (complete) luddite, and we can debate if it was actually useful to have had info that was secret and privileged; but I do miss being able to say, "I didn't answer your call because I was OUT last night"; or, "sorry boss, you'll have to fill me in on all the problems the project ran into last week because I've been AWAY on vacation."
Aug 31, 2018
AstroBev
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Oh hey the troll is back. Now remember everybody: Do Not Feed The Troll.
Aug 31, 2018
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HatuletohAh, I see! Now I am totally hip to the scene, man! 😎 It’s the one movie I’ve never seen. Why couldn’t it have been of Scarface, Goodfellows or Raging Bull, something like that? I did recognize that actor...I just couldn’t place him.
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DougFLA123Guys please just stop commenting. Dont respond to this or anything he says.
Aug 31, 2018
StickFighter
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JaleesaGFYI, per Millit's instagram from 22 hrs ago: " Weve already shipped knives"
Note this is most likely shipped to Massdrop, which would probably be shipped to us buyers from there.
Sep 1, 2018
MillitKnives
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HackenslashWell said!
Sep 2, 2018
Gunnersmate2
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JonasHeinemanJonas, for people who canceled their order for whatever reason, can I take their spot? Lol, unless its possible.
Sep 17, 2018
Gunnersmate2
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MillitKnivesI can't believe I missed this drop. From the pictures you guys nailed it. Don't let the impatient people get you down. I'm glad you took the time and got it how you wanted.
Sep 17, 2018
Benjabooly
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Gunnersmate2I joined massdrop like a week or month after this drop ended. Biggest fuckup of my life huh.
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