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When MD announced 6XX, I was super excited and waited for the drop to start in front of the computer and tried so hard to get it and was lucky enough to snatch one before it was sold out (was sold out in couple hours if I remember correctly). When they announced 58X I have to say I wasnt as excited and I knew that it wouldnt have the same effect as 6XX, and judging by the sales, it didnt started that well.
For all the prople who purchased 6XX this is basically a down grade, I have over 40 headphones so I can say I am a collector but I cant find a sonic place for this peice. Ok, maybe the “150ohm”rating to use with portable devices could be one reason but who the hell is going to use open back headphone of this caliber in a portable audio environment??
Ok, then maybe I thought there are other people out there who want to get into audio and this would be their starting point, I am afraid that also dont make sense.
1. $50 difference between the two model is not significant savings, meaning if I was buying my first higher end headphone I would spend the extra 50 and get the 6XX and have it quicker.
2. If I was starting all over, my first choice would have been something I can use all the time, in any enviroment. Hence the reason my first highend headphone was Etymotics er4p about 18 years ago.
I must say I love MD and bought a lot of gear over the years but lately I feel like they are becoming a place where they just want to push a product regardless of anything.
Have you read the reviews? Many say that this is much more like the HD 660 S than either the HD 600 or HD 650, but also claim that it is a different beast all together....
I seen some reviews, honestly I believe in reviews from actual users, also all reviews are based on prototype as you know this product hasn’t been produced yet. I dont think Sennheiser would produce a product Similar to their running line for much less momey as that would kill their own product. Not to mention, in audio world the word “similar sound” is so broad and so subjective, it is totally a selling pitch.
Fair enough! I'm on the fence.. I own the K712 and the AudioQuest NightHawks, but have always thought about getting something like the HD 600/650.
If I were you I would get the 6XX, for the reasons below;
1. It is exactly the same sound as 650 (proven)
2. It is already produced and sold thousands of them.
3. No need to wait for months for a product that hasnt been tested by anyone but few audio enthusiast that massdrop chose and sent (how subjective those reviews are questionable)
4. Only $50 more then 58x
Also, sennheiser is a global brand with a very well regarded reputations in this industry. They feel all 600, 650,660s is unique enough in the market place that they dont discontinue any of them, then the question is what happened to the original 580? it was discontinued After hd-600 was released. Just saying :-)
If my knowledge of the history behind these serves me well, the HD600 was intended to replace the HD580, just like HD650 was intended to replace HD600. The disconnect came because there was enough debate about which one actually sounded better that they kept running both HD600 and HD650. It seems like the HD580 also had some longevity issues with the phone connectors wearing out. A classic case of expectations and reality not aligning. I could be completely off base though.
I do side with you on spending the extra $50 for HD6XX. For many HD6XX/HD650 is an end game headphone, and rightfully so. It would be for me if they could get that bass extension down to cover 30Hz. It truly is spectacular when you have the right equipment to drive it.
I see enough concerns in the frequency response curves on the HD58X that I'm staying away, at least for now. The most important part isn't even what it shares with its progenitors and those new drivers have me on edge. This is one I'll have to hear in person to decide if it's worth my money.
I don't believe the 650 was ever intended to replace the 600. They needed something between the 600 and 800 to get the middle-price point, and the two 6 series are pretty different in tuning/distortion.
I would say 700 was the middle point between 6 and 8 series. 650 was intend to replace 600 but they realized it is more of a different sound signature then an upgrade so decided to keep both. Thats my 2 sents...
I'm pretty sure HD650 was on the market 5 or 6 years before HD800...
I think it was proven that the hd580 and the hd600 used the same driver. Would make sense that they discontinued the earlier model.
Lol, if one doesn't care for the sound signature on the HD6XX it doesn't really matter that it's "only" $50 more does it?
Have you heard the HD58X or are you just making assumptions?
Nobody has heard the HD58X yet, but you can look at the frequency response curves and THD+Noise measurements and get a pretty good idea of what to expect if you know how to read them.
You are correct I havent heard the 58x but nobody did except few people MD sent some samples to. I go by the frq response and based on my comparison between 580, 600, 650 and 6xx which I had all of them at some point of my life.
By the way, these are just my opinion which I thought I should share with people in case if someone needs opinion. After all, it is audio and everyone hears sound differently. I am not saying one is better then the other, I am just going by the production line and the history of sennheiser’s time line and reasoning to produce all these headphones.
If HD6xx is in a color which I like ;-0
Yeah, I've read at least five first hand opinions on them.
In my opinion there's many limitations to what a graph can show compared to how a product actually sound. I do understand that sound is very subjective and that everyone has their own opinion but I find it funny when people have opinions about stuff they haven't actually heard, that's all.
You are absolutely correct, there is no comparison between actual testing/listening a product and looking at some test results.
However at this point nobody, other then few people had a chance to listen this product. So if you want to make an intelligent decision what would you do? you read other people's opinion on the product (the ones who tried this particular headphone and wrote a review) and you look at the scientific measurements and make your best judgement based on every information you gather. Hence the reasons why MD posts the frequency response curve along with bunch of reviewers, hence the reason why audio companies spend thousands of dollars to create special audio measurement rooms. Human ear, and human language is ver subjective but testing equipments are not. As funny as you find it, the industry we are talking about (audio) takes these measurements very seriously. Having said that, everybody has their own way of decision making process, this is mine.
Well I am 50 and I use all my headphones almost exclusively as portable whilst walking my Teddy Bear around Cornwal Park. And Yes I likely look weird to many folks with something like HE4XX on my head, but I don't care because good gear+ great music+ awesome production ie. Korn, Tool, NIN etc.= HUUUUGE GRIM on my face. Talking about HD6XX, they are, to my ears huge disappointment (with or without an AMP) and having HiFiMan HE4XX, Philips SHP9500 and Beyer DT990 Pro (as a open headphones) just highlights all sonic deficiencies that HD6XX have. But hey, that's my personal impression.
What amps have you tried driving your 6xx with? I can almost guarantee that's your real problem with them. They don't make portable amps that can drive them...
FiiO E12 Mount Blanc and A5. A5 should have enough grunt to "wake" them up, still they never bring smile to my face like HE4XX or the others I've mentioned do. Granted HD6XX are the highest impedance of the lot, even so I expected more. Investing in any other less portable AMP is not on my list in the near future and at home, I prefer my speaker set up.
Maybe you just dont like the senheiser sound signature. Personally, sennheiser is not my favorite either, however I do like to use them when I am causally listening. What I find sennheiser do so great is making any music easy to listen (laid back). Having said that, definetly using an amp is a must. If you strictly use your headphones portable and like the open backs and dont want to carry an amp, I would recommend you px100, I think I bought them for less then $50 and I must say for a very small headphone with a very attractive price point they are amazing And worth every single penny.
But for my serious listening, I prefer grado sound better, yes they are not as comportable but when I listen with them, I cant help myself and pay attention to the music. Is it colored? Absolutely, is it for everyone? Not at all, but if you are into serious music listening I would give it a try. Acoustic genres and rock music sounds amazing with Grado.
And if you want something in between (Grado and Sennheiser) then I would do either Akg or beyer. I only have one beyer so cant make a lot of comments about them but over the years I had many akgs and still have at least 3 in my collection that I use them quite often, specially with classical or orchestral music since the soundstage is massive on them.
as far as amps, my main rig is a tube from woo, which I love. I also have some schitt, they are okay. Last year I picked up grace design from MD for my desk top set up and by far grace degisn had the best DAC I ever had. For portable, I dont use amps that much but I am a fan of ibasso products Which I can highly recommend (Dx90 was a great dap)
10 years ago, I was at a point that gear was dictating my listening habbits. In other words, I was listening to gears more then listening to music, these days I stop caring or better yet focusing on gear. After all, all these equipments are just tools to listen music. Yes it is important but not more then the music itself :-) I dont know if that makes any sense.
So, I'm a bit confused.. You're shutting down these 'phones because they don't make sense to you and you don't like Sennheisers? Let the 'phones speak for themselves or speculate when you actually hear them for yourself. This makes no sense to me.
Actually I love Sennheiser sound, I started my venture in to portable audio with PX100 and 10 years ago I also thought they were great value for money. But I've moved on from there long time ago and I consider my Momentum 2.0 Over ear and On Ear and HD555 and HD559 great value for money (but not at their full retail price!). I do enjoy reach full sound , aka Focal Spirit S and Beyer DT770 Pro, but I think we are just getting silly in getting of the subject. HD6XX are just uninspiring to me, but unlike ATH-MSR7 which I just plainly dislike for flat and boring, no bass sound signature I can get HD6XX every so often to remind myself why I don' really want to get rid off them.
I didnt say I dont like sennheiser sound, read the posts carefully. I am not trying to speculate anything, I am simply giving my opinion and I really dont care if it makes sense to you.
originally when I post, I was just giving my two cents on this drop thats all. I have no other intentions.