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HD58X or HD6XX is better?
There's no "better" in audio gear, because hearing is subjective and what sounds better for some might sound worse for others. Now, if I had to choose, I haven't heard the HD58X but I own (and love) the HD6XX, and from what I read about the HD58X I'd say HD6XX is better for me. HD6XX is also a "more premium" model compared to the HD58X, but they're pretty different even belonging to the same family. I read HD58X is pretty similar to the HD660s, while HD6XX is almost the same (if not completely the same) to the HD650. Read some impressions and you'll be able to decide by yourself if one or the other fits your preferences better, my choice was the HD6XX and I'm really happy with them so far.
Could you elaborate on that?
I think the correct response is, define 'better'?
I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that the 6XX is more premium. The 58X has the same build/materials as the 6XX while employing the new driver technology trickled down from the 660s and is still being made in the same factory in Ireland as the 6XX.
Also, Sennheiser commented in this thread that the 58X borrows a bit from the 600/650/660s so it actually has it's own sound that is different than the rest, making it a bit more unique than the 6XX which is just a 650 clone.
From the reviews I've seen thus far, it's being labeled as more of a "super" HD600 with qualities from the other sets more than anything else.
It's just a branding and price tag thing, nothing else. Why is the HD650 a "more premium" version of the older HD600? Because it's more expensive, and advertised as an upgrade over the previous model.
HD58X is probably a great headphone, maybe you prefer them over the HD6XX, they're not bad by any means.
Well, on the difference between the 600 and 650, it's down to the voice coils, damping, materials (cables, headband, etc.) so it's more than just being 'more expensive' just because. Same with the 660s. The drivers are different, as well as the tuning and materials. Let alone, it takes time for R&D, driver matching, and tuning of said drivers. Time is money and always seems to get left out when folks factor in price before we get to materials or marketing. All of which cost money before they can even begin thinking about ROI and profits. Even looking at the cost of spare parts tells you a lot of how much components are and their true value just from a materials perspective.
This is a first run price, the second run will probably be $200(the exact cost of the next round is pure speculation on my part). They are going to be the exact same "quality" as the 6xx, as they have the same build components with different drivers, that are a modified version of the 660s/700. In theory, the driver in the 58X started as a more premium driver(originally in the hd700, then in the 660s) and is in trickle down effect currently.
So the graphs said that the 58x is the same as 660 correct ?
Not the same, similar. HD58X lacks some bass impact and might sound a little more sharp sometimes, but given the price tag I'd say it a fair trade. But still I'd rather go for the HD6XX if you have a decent amp, I own (and love) them.
I have to say that personally I did not 'enjoy' much of my time listening to music on the 6XX. If you are doing critical listening it is a good choice, and if you are not looking for a headphone to engage you musically then it may be for you. I found i got most of my enjoyment from hearing them beautifully display my music, but when i wanted to 'jam out to some tunes!' , I was always sorely disappointed. I sold them, but i am very interested if hearing the 660/700 driver at a low price to see if this iteration will be different.
If you didn't like the HD6XX (HD650, basically) because they sounded too "analytical" for your taste, I highly doubt you'll like these: they have less bass (and even less sub-bass), and sound probably colder (or less warm, given the natural warmth of the HD650). HD650 are well known for being more engaging and "musical" than the HD600, colder and more "analytical". But I'm not you, we have different ears and my criteria might be different than yours, so YMMV. Anyways, good luck in your search for the best Senns!
I don't mind analytical! I just believe that headphones can still bring out the natural musicality of the source material while being reference monitors. There were definitely some songs that sounded great on my 6xx's but not most of my library, that's all :). Thank you though! I hope i can find one after having brief success with the 558's.
Just wanted to add my favorite headphones right now are in fact monitors. GMP 8.35 :)
Did you find the beyerdynamic dt 880 more enjoyful than the 6xx ?
And do you think that the 58x is near to the sound of the hd 600 ?
I have not heard either of those headphones unfortunately. ;(