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Barneyrubble
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Jul 18, 2018
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Ok, so after a favorable impression at first listen(brief), I did some longer sessions and then some a/b with my original precision hd 850's, my he 400i's and my hd 800's. The thrill was gone. 800's were superior in every way as you would expect... I will start there and extrapolate to the others. I am using an LG V20 source with a Marantz HD Dac1 dac/amp.
The 800's were far superior in soundstage, detail/realism. The placement of voices and instruments was way better and there were audible details in 800s that just weren't there or greatly lacking in the 58xs. Bass was deeper, tighter and flatter, in balance with the mids and vocals. I expected,this but not to the degree I heard it, these 58xs really aren't like the originals at all.
He 400is were also cleaner and flatter from the bottom up till the top end, very similar there imo. The 400is bass was flatter and tighter. I primarily used Heart, Linda Ronstadt and KD Lang with some Yes, Joe Bonamassa and Pink Floyd to evaluate all of these and the 58xs vocals were shrouded and overpowered by the bass which also sounds loose compared to all 3 of the other phones I compared them to. The original hd 580 precision was also better in all areas but the treble region, with the vocal balance being more forward than all the others but not bothersome at all, on some tracks its welcome actually, they can be had used for $100 or less.
In the end I'd say that the hd 580s, hd 800's and the he 400is were all better with more refined, flatter bass plus more forward, detailed mids to varying degrees. If you love the accent on bass, you very well might like these but the silky female vocals are suffering because of it imo. So with the He 400i's going really cheap used right now, $130 - 175 almost everywhere and the 4xxs in the same park, its impossible to recommend these to any fan of detail and accuracy. I wanted to like em but they are not for me. With the 6xxs on the way, I am now wondering if I'm gonna dislike them too, we'll find out.
chessmaster
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Jul 19, 2018
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BarneyrubblePlease update us with your impression once you got the 6xx. Haven't pulled the trigger on either and have been eyeing for a bit
Mbot
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Jul 19, 2018
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chessmasterThe HD 58X is punching far above its weight. It's definitely better than the HD660S and HD800.
Mendy770
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Jul 22, 2018
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BarneyrubbleTake out the foam that's in the grill and everything will sound different, the quality difference is night and day!!
Barneyrubble
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Jul 23, 2018
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MbotI own a pair of HD800 and the 58x doesn't even come close in the mid range, vocals or the bass. 800 is flatter, cleaner and goes deeper
Barneyrubble
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Jul 23, 2018
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Mendy770This has already been proven false with frequency response measurements that were posted previously in this thread multiple times.
Mbot
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Jul 23, 2018
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BarneyrubbleLiar.
I know what both sound like. The 800 presents an anomaly of sound, presenting it's own version of things; complete waste of money. The 58X presents the song correctly and transparently, all with supreme detail, depth and soundstage, and excellent overall sonic balance, as well as exemplary PRAT (Pace/Rhythm/ & Timing), and the midrange is second-to-none.
I know what both sound like. The 800 presents an anomaly of sound, presenting it's own version of things; complete waste of money. The 58X presents the song correctly and transparently, all with supreme detail, depth and soundstage, and excellent overall sonic balance, as well as exemplary PRAT (Pace/Rhythm/ & Timing), and the midrange is second-to-none.
Mendy770
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Jul 23, 2018
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BarneyrubbleI tried it myself and seen the difference, so i don't know what you're talking about!!
Barneyrubble
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Jul 25, 2018
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MbotLiar? Really... Old saying, Thieves usually think they're being stolen from and liars think they're being lied to. I have music to listen to
Mbot
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Jul 25, 2018
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MotorradHeadphone companies like Sennheiser, Audeze etc are ripping people off. It costs $100 to manufacture an HD800s, they charge $2000
An Abyss 1266 headphone costs $150 to manufacture, then they charge $5000
A pair of Nike shoes costs $7 to manufacture, then they charge $250
A Rolex costs $200 to manufacture, then they charge $10,000
An Abyss 1266 headphone costs $150 to manufacture, then they charge $5000
A pair of Nike shoes costs $7 to manufacture, then they charge $250
A Rolex costs $200 to manufacture, then they charge $10,000
Motorrad
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Jul 25, 2018
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Mbothahaha. oh right, you're the "everyone's wasting their money and I'm the only one that can see it *emoji*emoji*emoji* blah blah myths guy " hahaha (psst...we know what it costs to manufacture items)
What a burden you must be under...
*BTW, it does not cost $200 to manufacture a Rolex
*BTW, it does not cost $200 to manufacture a Rolex
heysplangy
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Jul 26, 2018
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MbotPeople know what things cost; they decide what they are worth.
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