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I can't agree for a second that these are not good value. I've heard countless headphones at meets and never came across anything for $150 that sounded as good as these as an "all rounder" headphone.
The fact that they are being compared on forums to cans 2->5 times the cost should tell you something. I own the original HD650s and would have a difficult time choosing between the two. To memory it sounds weightier than the HD600 I sold
years ago. so I was pleasantly surprised at that as I assumed they'd be near identical. The HD650 is a bit smoother but the 580 seems to have more punch/attack and is definitely a more forward sounding headphone. They've improved noticeably as the drivers/diaphragm get some exercise with a bit of play time.
I really do feel that headphones such as this are where the law of diminishing returns sets in. If you have money to spare, there are obviously better headphones out there. But I don't crave better sound quality while listening to the 580s like I do with the Koss PortaPros, which are also a good value. Not a fair comparison due to price but simply a point of reference as to my satisfaction with the SQ.