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These are very good, I was also gonna reference the Z review. Although I do not think they are the same driver as the hd 660s. at least from what I have read. but yes a super deal. I have not removed the foam but A,B,ing with the 660s I find the 660s fuller. the 58x has a bit more bass. but that could be the foam in the cups too. at any rate a great buy.