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SaturdayNoon
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Sep 15, 2018
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Hey, are these worth getting if I already have Sennheisder HD 558s (That I still LOVE btw)?
Sep 15, 2018
SothaChill
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Sep 16, 2018
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Definitely
Sep 16, 2018
HIFI778
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Sep 16, 2018
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These 58X use the same driver as the 660S that cost 500USD. They are a steal.
Sep 16, 2018
Evshrug
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Sep 17, 2018
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These are not the same drivers as the HD 660 S. But yes, they are a great value, and a noticeable upgrade in sound quality over the HD 558! The HD 558 still has more bass, so they might be more fun in study hall or the office, but at home the HD 58X Jubilee will reveal more of the music.
Sep 17, 2018
SaturdayNoon
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Sep 17, 2018
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I ended up grabbing them, but what sort of drivers do they use? How similar are they to the 600 series? I keep hearing conflicting reports online.
Sep 17, 2018
HIFI778
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Sep 17, 2018
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They are the same drivers as the 660s just being dumped with Foam and paper and a black plastic housing on the central part of the driver. Remove the foam and the paper from the 58x and they sound like the 660s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJUL3wuY4O8&t=32s
Sep 17, 2018
Sennheiser
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Sennheiser
Sep 17, 2018
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Though the HD 660 S and the HD 58X Jubilee are both dynamic driver designs made from our specially developed plastic, the same impedance ratings, and constructed in the same Ireland factory, they do not share a driver, and are in fact differently produced designs.
The difference may not be visible to the naked eye, but the drivers do have different performance characteristics are measurable. The impact of the foam we use is acoustically minimal... the rear foam backing is there for aesthetics, and also it improved durability for the driver in drop-tests (since the driver is mounted differently than the HD 660 S and the models that came before it). The foam between the driver and the open back does not both “reinforce bass” (reflect back bass) or “absorb treble” as Zeos Reviews suggests in the above video; Zeos Reviews even noted that the two headphones still sound different to him at the 12 minute mark of the video posted above.
Sep 17, 2018
SothaChill
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Sep 18, 2018
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I still think they sound similar enough to justify buying the 58X over the 660S
Sep 18, 2018
HIFI778
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Sep 18, 2018
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Z Reviews had the 660s connected to the more refined Aune with balanced 4 pin XLR. That may have accentuated a little the tiny difference he fund between these 2 headphones. It would have being interesting to see if switching cables and Amp would have made these 2 headphones sound identical...
Sep 18, 2018
Evshrug
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Sep 20, 2018
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Well, it looks like your original and second questions were answered! I personally think they were a noticeable upgrade over my HD 599, though of course any sense of “worthwhile upgrade” is up to the individual listener. My wife prefers the $15 Koss KSC75 over all other headphone, and ... well, she wants me to stop buying more headphones, haha!
Sep 20, 2018
marblesarefun
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Sep 21, 2018
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The paper that is on the back of the driver, will this degrade over time and if it does will it alter or possibly destroy the sound?
Sep 21, 2018
Sennheiser
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Sennheiser
Sep 21, 2018
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HD 820, HD 800 S, HD 800, and HD 660 S dampeners are made from stainless steel. All other models have a synthetic “paper” dampener... Axel Grell’s HD 580 Jubilee from 1995 still is in perfect condition!
Sep 21, 2018
RyCan
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Sep 22, 2018
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Mine too 😔
Sep 22, 2018
Electrolite
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Oct 1, 2018
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Thanks for clarifying. I think I prefer the aesthethic of the HD58X without foam, is there any danger doing that? Dust entering that hole in the driver for example?
I know that the foam helps with drop resistance but I'm asking if there are other risks of damage in the driver without foam.
Oct 1, 2018
HIFI778
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Oct 1, 2018
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All other models have not foam and being selling for years and years so not problem. This was done merely to change the sound even if they keep saying did not impact much... Mmmmm it does make a difference in bass and highs.
Oct 1, 2018
HiHead
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Oct 4, 2018
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Shure it makes a difference in bass and highs and also in Soundstage. My Opinion is that Zeus is a honest Man but Sennheiser got something to hide! They say even Zeus is pointing out that there is still a Difference in Tonality but they did not say that he say that Difference is laughable or ridiculous. And
Z Reviews had the 660s connected to the more refined Aune with balanced 4 pin XLR. That may have accentuated a little the tiny difference he fund between these 2 headphones. It would have being interesting to see if switching cables and Amp would have made these 2 headphones sound identical...
Oct 4, 2018
HIFI778
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Oct 4, 2018
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Sennheiser would never admit that the 58X and the 660S are very similar in sound and exactly similar if someone removes the foam. Why should they reveal something like this??? I heard the 660S and liked it alot that is why I am a happy owner of a rebranded 660S. 😉 but... shhhhhh don't tell anyone...
Oct 4, 2018
HiHead
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Oct 4, 2018
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Removing the Foam is easy of course! But how can I remove the Paper without damaging the Driver. I am cowardly about this. I have got mine Today so I do not know much about the Sound. And by the way, please excuse my Bad English! I am not an English native Speaker. I am an Austrian. THX
Oct 4, 2018
HIFI778
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Oct 4, 2018
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Leave the paper there. They are still very similar. I actually prefere the more deep bass of the HD58X to the 660S so I left the foam in place. The highs and mids are still very present. The 58X as it is it's the best Sennheiser headphone in my opinion.
Oct 4, 2018
HiHead
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Oct 4, 2018
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THX! That is what I thougt. Better do not Touch the Paper. I will Report in a few days if I like the Sound Signature more with or without the Foam.
Oct 4, 2018
HiHead
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Oct 4, 2018
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That is also my Opinion (the Thruth!?!)! I will not tell anybody but right now so many people know that and tell there Friends and will write that in Social Networks.
Oct 4, 2018
Will
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Oct 4, 2018
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So again, confirming here, the HD58X and HD660S are not the same headphone. Z's review is nice, they're close, but they're different drivers tuned with different goals.
Oct 4, 2018
HiHead
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Oct 5, 2018
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Where is the Confirmation?
Oct 5, 2018
Will
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Oct 5, 2018
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Sennheiser and myself publicly stating they're different. You're welcome to buy both, take them apart, and compare the components for yourself if you dont believe confirmation provided by all parties involved with creating this product.
Oct 5, 2018
HiHead
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Oct 5, 2018
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O.K So you are from Massdrop or from Sennheiser or what? So you have been involved with creating this product ? O.K . Congratulations! This is a great Product! I have a lot preety good Denon,s, AKG,s, B&O,s, Beyerdynamics, Sonus Faber, Onkyo,s, Phillips and so on. But this is the Best Open Back I have by far.
Oct 5, 2018
Will
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Oct 5, 2018
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Yup, I'm the Head of Collaborations at Massdrop (my turqiuse outline indicates Massdrop staff) and a Co-Founder for the company. The Sennnheiser account posting in this thread is official Sennheiser (the pink outline indicates an official partner account).
Glad you like the product, thanks for your support!
Oct 5, 2018
Evshrug
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Oct 8, 2018
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I just got to hear the HD 660 S at CanJam RMAF (today is actually my last day visiting Denver Colorado), and it actually surprised me to hear again how the driver sounds more crisp and agile. The HD 660 S and HD 58X Jubilee May have a similar frequency response that could be modded for similar frequency response (because they are similar in that respect already), but the technical performance of the HD 660 S is noticeably better. Just like the HD 58X is noticeably better than the HD 558 that the OP asked about... each model is a step up.
Oct 8, 2018
HiHead
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Oct 8, 2018
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That is your Opinion! I cannot say how it is, because I must have both at home and try them out by myself. Some People say this and others say that. When Zeus says that with taken the Foam out the HD 58X sound Difference is almost not there (loughable), than I believe him. HIFI778 say that for him the 58X is the best Sennheiser with the Foam inside. I took the Foam out and I like the Sound a little bit more. it is really a small Difference but I hear it and like it. So i am Happy with my 58X so far, only the cable is a piece of (you know what!) So when the most Professionell Reviewers say that the 660S is better then the 650 and even better then the 600 which is one Class below but for example Metal571 and Zeus liked him more then the 650 and even the 700, i would say that propably for me the 58X is better then the 6XX but off course I cannot be sure!
Oct 8, 2018
Evshrug
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Oct 8, 2018
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Zeos reviews: name is Stephen. the Zeos Pantera was a computer he really liked, named his channel after that. Also, his message was it sounded really close. I also like the HD 58X more than the HD 700. I have a preproduction HD 58X Jubilee, and I was at RMAF this weekend, and I’ve heard the HD 660 S several times. If you want to convince yourself that you and HiFi778 are satisfied with the HD 58X and don’t want to spend more, that’s totally fine and the kind of budget moderation that everyone needs. If you want to “make it your own” and mod the headphone... I support that too, that’s Cool. If you talk to anyone who has connections the manufacturing of these headphones, they will confirm the drivers are different and that bit of foam doesn’t make an HD 660 S cripple down into the HD 58X. It’s a fact that the HD 660 S has a faster decay, it’s my opinion that I like that better. You can match the frequency response pretty easy, the difference there is small to begin with, but you can’t easily change the decay.
Oct 8, 2018
marblesarefun
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Oct 9, 2018
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Thank you for your answer on the paper question! Really like these headphones. Best set I've owned since PX100's lol.
Oct 9, 2018
RyCan
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Oct 10, 2018
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Jealous. Would love to go to CanJam.
Oct 10, 2018
Evshrug
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Oct 10, 2018
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CanJam is a special treat in most people’s budgets, but it can be great fun and a way to make friends of similar interests. If/when you do go, make sure to find out about the after-show activities like bowling! Oh, and you get to try out the latest stuff and pick gear worth saving for.
Speaking of budget, Mackie is releasing two low-budget headphones (relative to the market of good stuff), and their “top of the line” $99 closed headphone with build quality of a $60 headphone (light cheap plastic everywhere, but seems functIonal) and sound quality of a $250 headphone was really cool! Sony added 2-way bluetooth to their Walkmans (so you can connect to headphones, or you can stream music from your phone) to increase the value of their already good sounding digital audio players (DAP), Sennheiser’s HD1 wireless and HD 660 S won best in their categories, Astell & Kern launched new, slimmer, less expensive flagship DAPs and their existing KANN model won another best of show model, Redscape had a cool demo of a customizable binaural Surround DSP with head tracking, and I just saw a ton of happy, nice to talk to people from the community and the guys who designed stuff for the community.
Oct 10, 2018
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