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Ares78
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Oct 2, 2018
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6XX is still better. The 6XX might have a tiny less bass but the vocals are significantly better. They’re not bad by any means but it feels like these are getting more praise than they deserve.
Oct 2, 2018
GUNGHOGuns
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Oct 2, 2018
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Three sentences and you are giving it a 3 star review. You realize you are paying 150$ for this right? This is a bad review.
Oct 2, 2018
Ares78
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Oct 2, 2018
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The 6XX is 4/5 stars for me, I can’t give this a 4 star if I think the 6XX is better. Sure price matters but this is no where near the 660s that some reviewers or even the marketing blurb has made this out to be. If you like the 58X more power to you but I just think there are better things out there around this price range.
Oct 2, 2018
Kamran
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Oct 2, 2018
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If you don't mind me asking, like what?
Oct 2, 2018
Ares78
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Oct 2, 2018
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Personally I think if you want something a little warmer (like the 58X) the AKG K550/553 is a pretty good pick (they‘re sometimes on sale for 150 from AKG direct), but they are closed back. If you just want good bass you can always get the Creative Aurvana Live for less than half of the 58X and then save up for something like an Emu-teak or TR-X00.
Oct 2, 2018
Mendy770
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Oct 3, 2018
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May I ask u mister star wars, did u listen to these AFTER fully breaking/burning in?? Bc that literally makes all the difference..
Oct 3, 2018
Ares78
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Oct 3, 2018
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Burn-in is a myth. QC should have done “burn-in” to ensure that what you get out of the box is exactly what they advertised. I never do burn-in unless explicitly stated by the manufacturer.
Oct 3, 2018
RuRRuR
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Oct 3, 2018
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When is it explicitly stated by the manufacturer? Do you have examples for that?
Oct 3, 2018
Ares78
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Oct 3, 2018
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I think on the Massdrop X Cavalli amps Cavalli said to give them a 50 hour burn in and in the instruction manual of some Sivga headphones it says to give them a 300 hour burn in.
Oct 3, 2018
Ilikedifferentthings
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Oct 3, 2018
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Different things need diffrerent burn in times. Most of the time, burn in time is by preference but it usually is as mich as possible.
Oct 3, 2018
AudioFaze
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Oct 3, 2018
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No such thing as burn in.
Oct 3, 2018
Voxata
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Oct 3, 2018
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All you do is thread crap everywhere you go, please stop using the internet.
Oct 3, 2018
Mendy770
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Oct 3, 2018
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Stop bullshitting bc that's simply not true!!! My headphones sounded MUCH better after full burn in!! I ordered these headphones 5 times for friends of mine that heard my pair and wanted one of there owns and I compared them to there's and it was pretty cool to see the difference.
Oct 3, 2018
Ares78
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Oct 3, 2018
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There’s usually a few reasons for this. Discrepancies between units of the same headphone (beyerdynamic and audeze are quite notable for this). Your ears adjusting to the sound. Specifically on Sennheisers, how worn in the pads are.
Oct 3, 2018
inmytaxi
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Oct 3, 2018
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Audioquest advices 150 hours burn in on their NightOwl and NightHawk
Oct 3, 2018
inmytaxi
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Oct 3, 2018
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That's because you get used to the sound. Think about it. How would they design a headphone with burn in as a design component? Each prototype gets four days burn in?
Oct 3, 2018
inmytaxi
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Oct 3, 2018
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No such thing as burn in with a properly designed and built headphone.
FYP
Oct 3, 2018
Wounded_Audiophile
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Oct 3, 2018
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Well, since your comparing apples to oranges, my Sennheiser HD 800's are better than your 6xx's all day long. Now if you want to compare your other $150 headphones to these, feel free to elaborate about those.
Oct 3, 2018
dhomes
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Oct 3, 2018
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Sorry im with him, i actually dont like the hd6xx that much, may be selling them soon enough. at the price range i prefer anything from Grado (my personal preference), Sr125 or 225 for sure
Oct 3, 2018
Svstem
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Oct 4, 2018
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Apples and oranges? The 6XX and 58X are literally meant to be in the same line of headphones, sharing the exact same chassis, and they're compared all the time. Discrepancy between both is $50. MSRP discrepancy of HD 800 to 58X is $1250 (25 times more than $50). When reviewers jump and say that 58X = 660S despite it being 2.5 times the price of 6XX, I bet you don't jump out and call these comparisons invalid.
Oct 4, 2018
Wounded_Audiophile
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Oct 4, 2018
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So is comparing a $150 headphone to a $500 headphone. I would suggest you watch both versions of this video link. Look up part on your own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJUL3wuY4O8&feature=youtu.be
And that's why i said apples to oranges when it comes to price. You can buy three jubilee's and still have 50 bucks left over to one 660 Remove the dampeners, cut the cloth and their the same headphone. I think his three star review is BS.
Oct 4, 2018
Mendy770
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Oct 4, 2018
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If what you're saying is true (that it's me getting used to the headphones) then why when I compare them to my friends new pair do I hear 2 different pairs??
Oct 4, 2018
Kerry_Maxwell
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Oct 4, 2018
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That is almost certainly because of changes in the lump of fat between your ears, and not any physical changes in the headphones.
Oct 4, 2018
mrcrunch08
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Oct 4, 2018
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I own the AKG 553 and there is a huge difference between them and the 58X. It's almost like they are two different styles of headphones at different prices as well. Your review is what it is but your recommendation seems to be odd to me. Especially when you bring up discrepancies between units and the AKG 550 had similar issues. They are completely different in almost every way. The AKG 553 I have don't play well with poorly recorded music and actually sound distorted with some stuff. Maybe the distortion I'm hearing is the ringing I see mentioned in reviews. The Creative Aurvana is another one that is odd to recommend as something comparable. Sure it has decent, maybe good bass but everything else is average at best. Terrible build quality is my biggest issue and the sound is good for $60 but bad for $150. Just because they measure similar to the X00 doesn't mean they are even close. This type of recommendation is exactly how I have made so many bad purchases with headphones. For some reason you took an open pair of headphones and recommended nothing but closed backs. It sounds more like you prefer closed backs over open and trying to push others in that direction despite the short comings of your recommendations.
Oct 4, 2018
PeteMtl
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Oct 4, 2018
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I mostly agree with you. However, the HD58x do three things better than the HD6xx and because of these three things they deserve the high praise in my opinion. the three advantages are: - better firmer bass extension - 150 ohm/ high sensitivity which makes them fully useable with portable equipement (such as my iPhone and iPad Pro) without any headphone amp really needed and sounding great nevertheless - 25% cheaper than the HD6xx on its own, but a lot cheaper solution than the HD6xx if you factor in the headphone amp economy since it’s not needed To enjoy good portable sound. Don’t get me wrong: I generally prefer the HD6xx to the HD58x. Moreover, using a good headphone amp with DAC is always preferable, even with the HD58x, but the ability for the HD58x to provide an oustanding sound at a far better price (50$ less + no headphone amp to buy) while having a firmer more extended bass makes the HD58x an oustanding value. But they do not match the HD6xx´s reference mids and perfect timbre.
Oct 4, 2018
Ares78
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Oct 4, 2018
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I did also say the 6XX was better but it’s $50 more, I’d personally go for the 6XX over the 58X but some won’t. I bring up the K553/550 and CAL because they are my default recommendations for “warm” headphones 150 and under. I’m also just trying to tell people these aren’t HD660s and anyone who looks to buy these because they think they’re getting an HD660s should turn away.
Oct 4, 2018
PeteMtl
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Oct 4, 2018
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You are right, the HD58x is not equal to the HD660S.... it’s actually a lot better in my opinion, and when you factor in the huge price difference, then the HD660S is left alone on the ground...
Oct 4, 2018
mrcrunch08
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Oct 4, 2018
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Thank you for that response. It makes a little more sense for me now. I do think we need to also consider the headphones use case. I'm not touching the hd660 stuff simply because I don't own them so I can't comment how they compare. I do own the 6xx and 600's and in a technical sense I agree with you. Despite thinking those are technically better I still like the 58x more simply because it plays with my collection of music better. I definitely agree people shouldn't buy these thinking they are 660's trashed up but feel they are being sold short comparing these to those other sub $150 headphones you mentioned. Regardless I appreciate your response.
Oct 4, 2018
eddiezr
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Oct 6, 2018
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Because... ... ... Magic!!!
lol. No, my 579s sound better today than when I first got them. Smoother and less "veiled." I expect these 58x's to do the same.
Oct 6, 2018
Amoo
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Oct 8, 2018
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Why are you worried? If it's an HD660 with an insert that is easy to remove why would bother you?
HD6XX and HD58X are both 5 star products for what you are paying.
Oct 8, 2018
Ares78
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Oct 8, 2018
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But it’s not anything close to the HD660s, and to claim that you’ll get an HD660s by removing the foam and adding some paper to the back of the driver is straight up misleading and factually incorrect.
Oct 8, 2018
Trepp
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Oct 9, 2018
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In your dreams
Oct 9, 2018
Trepp
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Oct 9, 2018
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They have the same driver. What are you talking about
Oct 9, 2018
Cilphyo
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Oct 20, 2018
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Why you list Only closed hp Comparison? Maybe it’t better to compare products in the same category and price range.
Oct 20, 2018
affordableaudiophile
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Oct 24, 2018
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Stop with the "No such thing as burn-in" nonsense.
Oct 24, 2018
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