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View Full Discussion I got these about three months ago, beginning of October, shipped from MD to to Srbija. It cosed me in total bit less than 200 euros, around $220, shipping, taxes an all. Three months of saving, and worth every dinar, in my case.
I wont describe how they sound, as I don't own lot of em, but Ill give my opinion on is it worth it to remove their insides and use them as that.
The inside sponge/ foam inside and out- behind and in front drivers I removed in first week during burn in period, and I had a/b test to get that feel, that polarized almost all owners. There are small differences. They exist, you can say they do not matter much, but all are there.
When removed, all lows are bit less present (daah), they still have same punch, but bit less shock, less of a kick and that gets them just bit more detailed. So- its a preference thing. But, IMO, details trump volume, if volume is done right, and amount of kick these have with pads off is plenty. No, they aren't bass heavy, not bass-head level,
Highs and mids are bit more defined, highs more than mids. Highs have better presents and textured bit nicely. That makes stage bit wider. Its still "intimate"- not that wide, but bit better.
Mids were and are... my daily drug. They're perfect. Voices are same, in that middle where Sennheiser want them, but all around em gets bit better. Songs sang by Angels asks no alteration, I guess.
There are headphones with "better" sound, sure, but when I put these on, I simply don't care. I can feel endorphin rushing through my head.
Thank you Sennheiser, for all parts are interchangeable. Pads are interchangeable, cables also, back grills, yes. Get on Sennheisers spare pats site and get 660 parts if you feel these as bad. Pads are bit tough at start, they're not memo foam. Some HD types have memo pads, but sound changes with them, and I don't want to experiment. Comfort-wise, I think they're just OK at beginning, but, now tree months down the rabbit hole, they are awesome. They can be bit clampy at start, but they do get loosen, they adjust themselves and feel is just right.
I have m220 pros, and last two months Im moding them to be better, and somehow, on subconscious level, these are the goal. But clamp force is so weak on those I simply always prefer 58X's. Joshua Valour did review on them here: https://youtu.be/O-kkqHz9LY4, and I agree with him to the dot. Compared to 58X's, stage is so much wider, details in highs are more detailed and extra crispier, vocals are better separated to left and right, bass has less kick, but its lot more precise, on paper they are much better option for gaming, and yet, 58X's are my choice.
It takes 5 second of music for me to forget every single thing and enjoy the sound. For me, thats what matters. But, if I play say GTA V, I have to turn the music off to play missions, otherwise I find myself lot of times parked listening to radio.
I cant give half of star. And four and half stars would be exact on point, but if I have to choose between four and five... Reason for half star less is, on one hand, bit less of details in highs, but, in other, its just me nitpicking.
Now, you can read on many many places how these sound, all other opinions where these compare to $500 660s, $200 6XX, 4XX or any other. Go ahead, read and watch people compare them, ther's a lot of material. BUT, take all of them opinions with a pinch of salt (a bag of salt if you are watching Zeos, he is a sailsman, hes always selling shit, directly or indirectly), and get which one excels at what. If you can, try to hear them.
But most important, try to realize what do you need and then pull the trigger. Bare in mind, these do need expensive rig to be awesome. They can do better with expensive rigs, but many other headphones NEED expensive rigs to shine. Altho I didn't hear any Sennhaiser cans before I bought these, I can honestly say awesome buy! I cannot recommend these more.
Can you link the back grills for the 660 S? I cannot find them to save my life.
Dammit, I cant find it too. I know I saw it somewhere two months ago, and I know back can be dissembled into metal grill and plastic ring.
Had two links to on-line shops, not amazon, one is fullcompass.com, other one I cant find now. When I do, I'm adding links.
Thank you, I just wanted black ones to match the headphones and not the ugly grey ones.
I remember, pads for cups and band, I did saw two months ago, and you can get 660s pad parts, but now I'm doubting the 660s back grills.
Black can spray is your answer, plastic rings and metal grills can be easily disassembled. They are held just by friction and flimsy glue. To me, $30-40 US is just too much for something you can easily mod. And modded cans are unique. Besides, 58x are just begging to be moded, the mat plastic on cups is screaming for individuality.
Personally I love the matte black look way more than the glossy paint they put on these. I wish they would have just stuck with all black like the 660s so no one would have to mod them to look better.
OK, Its a valid argument. But, I have given a lot of thought to this one.
One thing is to have in mind that these do not scale well with better equipment, unlike 660s, 650, 600, 589, and all them cost more. That means, you dont need much to have this one rockin.
Second, not just that these do not need expensive gear to be awesome, the lows on these are unique to others, highs are non intrusive, so sound is just sweet and cozy . Im not analyzing music with these, music pure enjoyment. Morphine level.
That's set up for these to be first choice no matter the music genre.
Studio work is reserved for work headphones, these are audiophile grade.
One falls in love with these, so its easy to want them unique.
I was never questioning the quality of the sound as I have watched many videos and read many reviews such as your on this headphone. I am just picky when it comes to the way things look so I was trying to fix the looks to fit what I want for looks.
Yes, thank you for reminding me.
The quality on these is excellent. The first impression, it is just fine, none of fancy visuals or glow to them that suggests its a $150 beauty.
Its mostly plastic, black paint on some and none on other parts. I mean, rely? $150 for this?
But that finish is durable, more time passes on, more you appreciate non metal parts and low weight. And plastic is dense, full, doesn't creek or bend or being plasticky in any way. It just doesn't have that visual WOW factor.
But some paint and creative ideas, these set up to be canvas for the unique art.
In defense, Im not saying we should all go Zeos on our 58x, its that I understand why Z did what he did.
But the full douche yellow choice, I don't understand.
Are the grills that you linked Black? I cant quite tell.
How would you rate the 58X’s for gaming? I’m really looking at a pair for PC FPS games where footsteps are crucial!
From what I have heard they are great for gaming. The sound stage on these isn't the widest, but the imaging on them is fantastic. If you want to hear pinpoint accuracy of footsteps, then these do a great job at that.
I think Joshua Valour explained nicely, and I agree, the whole thing, 58x, 6xx, 650, 600, has narrow, "intimate" sound stage. And precision of projecting where enemy is "clockwise" is staler. But the distance they are away from you is always somewhat unclear. Also, if you are judging by voices not footsteps, they are always close.
But, they are not bad, they are good for gaming. There are just better options. There are far, faaaar worse options, to be clear. If company makes keyboards or mice or both, and then turned to gaming headphones with mic and God knows why RGB, 58x are better by far.
If you are just single player, they are awesome. But for something like CS GO, you don't listen to radio or enjoy that v8 roar. You want to know exactly where badys are. And yes, the gunshots on these are LOUD.
The m220, 7xx are better for that kind of gaming. Sorry if I use Josh a lot, but heres link.
Their issue is brightness and sibling, when you ramp up the volume on your tunes. Also, they lack bass. They have bass, they portray it nicely, without saturation, boominess (yes punch, no kick) and sweetnes. But for pvp fps gaming, say CS GO, these AKGs are better than 58x. I do not want bass, or gorgeous mids, all I need is dead precise where bogus are and extra brightens on my m220 give sharp and detailed view of situation.
In any other scenario, my choice is 58x.
So, competitive gaming, you can do better. Overall, these are more of ace of all trades, but they do excel with music.
But, IF you decide to go with m220, Id advise 7xx, they are just better in every way. I had to mod mine, pads, head band, ear foam also... And Im still not 100% happy.
I currently have a set of HyperX Cloud Alphas - so i want a step up. I'm pairing them with a Syba Sonic Amp.. So i'm trying to find a good first Audiophile grade headset... Any recommendations @m425 ?
There really inst any "audiophile" grade headset. You are much better off with a pair of headphones like these and getting a desktop microphone such as a blue snowball or something. Also if you remove the foam behind the grills on each side of the headphone the sound stage opens a little bit more.
There wasnt good song first fifteen days of me owning 58x that hasnt left me knob in my thought, tears in my eyes or waterfall down my cheeks. Audio phile, audio purist, call me whatever you want, HiFi gear is real. And last five years that market is rapidly expanding.
Speakers are just better, but they need proper setup, headphones not as much, and for a fraction of cost, you can have a lot.
Im not from US, so I know the troubles of import taxes and shipping fees. Dont have unlimited budget, so I have to weigh my options, and above all, I have to know what I want out my gear. So, riddle me these:
1) R U from US?
2) Whats Ur budget?
3) Whats is ALL that you will you use headphones for?
My budget is $200 US.
use: Gaming #1 with music secondary.
I will be running these through my Syba Sonic amp.
I already have a focusrite Scarlett solo with a AKG420p as my desktop microphone. Now just need to step up my audio for gaming. I’ve liked closed, so between some of these and a set of DT770’s
OK. So, choices, choices..
Closed back don't leek sound outside, meaning ppl cant hear you killin ppl. But that gives huge limitations to them, and inexpencive ones dont deal well with that obstacle.
Heres link with guide and linked reviews (note: reviews to be taken with lots of salt)
Sennheiser 500Series (4 or 5 here, one or two is good other isnt)
AKG 7xx or m220 (220 needs upgrades)
I assumed you're from US.