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MrChipa
63
Apr 5, 2018
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This review is coming from the perspective of someone who has owned many pairs of consumer and audiophile headphones. I have 3 pairs of Sennheiser headphones aside from this pair. These are amazing for the price. If these didn't have the microphone, I would put these on par with some of Sennheisers $250+ headphones.
The sound quality is amazing and everything is super well balanced. If you have a sound card in your rig, these perform even better. Surround sound is super good too.
Mic quality is on par with a Blue Yeti mic. Its a blessing and curse. Do not keep this close to your mouth or everyone can hear you breathe or swallow. The mic is sensitive and does not need to be close to you. The boom mic flips up to mute and there is a wheel on the right earcup that allows you to control the volume on the headset. Very handy.
Build quality is superb. As always, this headphone can be hand dissembled and cleaned. Even though the head band is like a plastic, it is very strong and never once have I not had faith in it. The ear and head pads are really awesome as well. Easy to clean and large enough to give ample coverage.
The cord is braided and interchangeable. It is about 6 feet long so no worries on length. It plugs in on the left ear cup and it isn't loose.
I highly recommend these headphones. For those that are looking for some low key high quality headphones, these are it!
Meusec
1
Jul 27, 2018
MrChipaHow long was the shipping on it? i live in the states. i bought a pair on 7/21/18 and they are not arriving till 8/8/18. insane if you ask me. maybe they ship by horseback?
MrChipa
63
Jul 27, 2018
MeusecI ordered them on June 21st of 2017 and got them the following week on the 28th. Hope that helps!
kba116
14
Sep 4, 2018
MeusecProbably without a rider then.
Bradum
174
Sep 13, 2018
MrChipaIf this mic sounds the same as your Yeti, you're using your Yeti wrong.
On top of that, these are the drivers from the Sennheiser HD 558... So they're on par with Sennheiser's $99 headphones. You pay an extra $20 for the mic.
MrChipa
63
Sep 13, 2018
BradumNotice how I included the Statement of how good they are for the price. I’m well aware of the fact that these drivers are a bit dated but that doesn’t change my mind. Yes, the mic is as good as a Blue Yeti IF used correctly. With some tweaking its amazing. That’s the case with any mic. I’m not trying to convince anyone that’s its a huge home run. The price is steep for a primarily plastic headset. But for the price, what you get is a super solid and well built headset thats backed by two excellent companies.
Bradum
174
Sep 13, 2018
MrChipaThe debate here is not over whether this headset is a good value at $120. It clearly is. It's the absurd claims you made.
The Sennheiser HD 558 is not just as good as their $250+ offerings (see 598, 58X and 6XX). Take that to any audio forums and you'll be laughed right on out of there.
Also, suggesting that a mic built into the boom of a gaming headset is just as good as a well regarded stand-alone microphone is pretty comical as well. The mic is good for a gaming headset, but nowhere close to the Yeti.
If you think either of those claims you made are true, you have zero credibility when it comes to reviewing audio gear.
MrChipa
63
Sep 13, 2018
BradumAt the end of the day, these are my opinions. Nowhere have I stated that this is the Undeniable truth.
You clearly seem to have an idea in your head of what these are and seem to enjoy challenging anyone with a differing set of opinions. I believe that the mic is as good. I’ve ysed them both and it SOUNDS THE SAME TO ME. The variables are different, my gear could be different, I’m not as well versed as others. But being able to share my opinions with my limited Knowledge Should be respected and and not belittled. I own the HD 6XX. The sound quality IS NOT the same and I never said it was. Go post your own review and go over it. Don’t flame me for it. Or better l yet, go to your audio forums And vent over there.
Bradum
174
Sep 13, 2018
MrChipaYou quite literally said "I'd put these on par with some of Sennheiser's $250+ headphones" What headphones are these $250+ Sennheiser headphones they're on par with? I've just listed three of their headphones under $200 that are all better.
Audio is subjective, but only to a point, assuming the main goal is to somewhat accurately replicate the source. People can have preferred sound signatures, but if someone said "my $25 Skull Kandy headphones sound just as good as the HD 800S" they're just plain wrong. You can say "it sounds just as good to me" all you want, but chances are you're doing something wrong, or have some sort of hearing damage.
MrChipa
63
Sep 13, 2018
BradumFair enough. My Gear that powers them probably isn’t The best. Actually I know it isn’t. I did say that they are on par And I recognize the potential misleading information. Apologies for the confusion.
Bradum
174
Sep 13, 2018
MrChipa Yeah, I really don't want to take away from this product, it's a great price for what it is, I just didn't want someone coming along thinking "Oh wow, this is cheaper and every bit as good as the 58X."
As for the mic, it's great at what it's for... Talking in-game, on Discord, Vent, Mumble, etc. Those compress the audio anyways, making the better quality of something like the Yeti not a drastic improvement in this use case. The second mic for noise cancelling will do a good job removing background noise and make it nice and easy for people to understand what you're saying. The noise cancelling isn't perfect though, so it will also end up removing some detail from the audio it's recording. tl;dr, the mic is great for gaming communication, but not great for recording and editing quality audio.
Xilverbullet000
1
Feb 27, 2019
BradumThe drivers aren't from the 558, they're from the 598, so more on-par with $300 headphones. Besides that, 558s are about $180 new, I don't know where you go the $99 figure. I agree on the mic part, though. It's a good mic for a headset, but nothing super special. Really any nice-ish microphone should outdo these easily.
Bradum
174
Feb 28, 2019
Xilverbullet000Check out the frequency response range. 558 and 559 are 15 - 28,000 KHz, while 598 and 599 are 12-38,500KHz. This is a slightly modified 558 driver, and the same driver that is in the Sennheiser Game One. Also, you're looking at the MSRP prices on Sennheiser's website, not the actual price they're selling for... Just take a look on Amazon (HD 559 - $99.95, HD 598 - $170). These are nowhere close to being the same quality as headphones you can get for $300 (HE-560 - $300, HD 6XX - $200, DT 880 - $170, HD 58X - $150, K612 - $110, etc.). All those would easily out-perform a 598, let alone a 558.
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MrChipa
63
Mar 1, 2019
BradumI will agree on that front. Since my previous review, I was able to pick up a pair of the HD 6XX from a friend and you are right. They out form these by quite a bit. I think we both agree that the PC37X are a great value pair of headphones, but still lacking in some of the features that many flagship and more expensive models share.
adtrisno
34
Mar 1, 2019
BradumThe 518, 558, 598 use the same drivers. Not sure about the 5x9 series. The manufacturer may release the specifications, yet, when people took them apart, they have the same part number. The lesson again, do not trust the people selling you the headphones, especially big companies. They have their own agendas, ie. make tiers out of the same parts to cut costs, increase sales, etc. They do have different housing, dampening and what not hence the different sound. It's been discussed at length so if you want, by all means... www.head-fi.org/threads/hd-518-teardown-with-a-shocking-twist.609634/
www.headfonia.com/sennheisers-new-hd558-and-hd598/3/ By the way, don't compare Massdrop Made Sennheiser and Sennheiser. The pricing is almost always out of whack. The HD650 sells for ~$350 and the HD6XX sells for $199. For color options, that math will never ever add up. The prices for the HD598, HD599, etc. will never compare favorably here. But then again, since we are comparing a Massdrop Made PC37X, we should compare it, price/performance wise, to the HD6XX or HD58X and no it's not even close. Quite a bit cheaper though and includes a mic and PC input...
Bradum
174
Mar 1, 2019
adtrisnoFirstly, while the model numbers may be the same, a lot of companies will use their lower end products as a way to unload parts that didn't meet QC for their higher end products. In this case, potentially drivers that weren't able to get the full FR range for the 598, or weren't matching the desired FR closely enough for that product. It's a process called "binning". This allows them to use only the highest performing drivers from a production run for their most expensive product in that line, without having to scrap the ones that don't meet that standard. Not saying it's impossible to get a driver that meets 598 standards in a 558 or something, but I'd certainly advise against thinking "I just bough a 518, and I am certain putting it in another housing will net me a 598". But you seem to be missing the actual point of all this discussion.... No one is saying this is a bad product. If you are looking for open headphones with a mic for gaming and are on a tight budget, these are a great option (although I'd hardly call it "quite a bit cheaper" than the 58X, $150 vs $120). But to say these are "on par with $300 headphones" is simply inaccurate and misleading (see my list above, only 2 of 5 which were Massdrop Made). As you mentioned, they are not even close to 58X and 6XX. When looking at a market, you compare all relevant products in that market regardless of where they're sold or who manufacturers. To do otherwise would be foolish. And while the prices don't match up with what Sennheiser sells them for on Amazon, they're actually pretty in-line with the current headphone market(K612 - $110, DT880 - $170). Which is why the 598, 599, etc. have essentially been made irrelevant.
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adtrisno
34
Mar 1, 2019
BradumActually they also test the same. I get that they use the best quality parts for their most expensive product but that's just a hypothesis and there's really no difference in practice, different specs and all. But the post from Head-Fi also concluded buying a 518/558 and modding them to a 598 is essentially useless since it will probably cost you more than buying a 598 outright... They are overpriced and irrelevant though. I am just pointing out they do have the same drivers and that the Sennheiser pricing doesn't hold up when compared to Massdrop Made stuff. Oh and the part about sounds as good as than $300 headphones and has a mic like the Blue Yeti...hahahaha...yeah, no comment ;).
adtrisno
34
Mar 2, 2019
BradumOh also, a good V-Moda boom mic is going to cost $30 or so. So it's really 90ish to 150. But anyone with a little more cash to spare is infinitely better off buying a K7XX + a boom mic. These are nothing special in my opinion, just cheap. My PC37X has been relegated to player 2 headphone AKA thing that soak up my cousin's and friend's sweat...
kkmmnn
7
Mar 23, 2019
adtrisnoWish I had read your comments before wasting my money on the PC37X. Your assessment is spot on and the pair of WS1100iS I bought to replace these are infinitely better.
Holuxz
0
Oct 1, 2020
MrChipaSo, the way to dissemble them is by pulling out the ear and head bands???, and also how did you use to clean them. Thx
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