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GJC10212
9
Dec 6, 2017
Awful weak sounding IEM's. My current reference are Earsonics Velvet V2, however, even the Vsonic VS series, Fidue A73 walk all over these in every sound aspect. Save your money, head over to Penon Audio or Lend Me Ur Ears and purchase something else.
Xerclif
12
Dec 12, 2017
GJC10212What amp are you using?
Fidl
5
Nov 21, 2018
XerclifHe didnt amp them probably, they are 50 Ohms. If they were properly amped, he's probably tone deaf.
BobJones8P
54
Feb 25, 2020
FidlThey require an amp?
Ofer
65
Feb 25, 2020
BobJones8PYep. At least if you're using a cheap Android phone with mediocre audio.
BobJones8P
54
Feb 26, 2020
OferHow about tidal on iPhone 7?
ATXBBC
33
Feb 26, 2020
BobJones8PNo, they don't need amplification. I have these, in addition to Andromedas and many other IEMs. What I love about these is that they sound great with no amplification. They are surprisingly neutral for dynamic drivers. If mine broke, I would buy another pair even at full price. I can't say that about many IEMs in my collection.
League544
535
Feb 27, 2020
ATXBBCSo would you recommend this for somebody looking for a starter pair of Iems? And what is the gap in difference percentage wise between these and the Andromedas if you could make an estimate? I currently own a pair of P6 pros generation twos, would I notice a difference in quality between these two with no amp?
ATXBBC
33
Feb 27, 2020
League544These will be a noticeable jump up from your P6s. They are more similar to the Atlas from Campfire Audio than the Andromedas, but with less emphasis on base. Mids and mid-base are very accurately represented, sub-base is there but not over emphasized, treble is accurate without the sparkle quality produced by balanced armatures. You will not get a large soundstage ,(a sense for how close our far away a sound is) or perfect imaging (which direction is sound coming from) with these. If you want that and great mids and treble, go with the Tin P1, which will need amplification. If you want that with a v-shape (base and treble but sacrificing mids) try Shuoer Tapes. If you want something that is very neutral in this price point that doesn't require amplification, this is a great pair of IEMs.
jaydunndiddit
3262
Feb 27, 2020
BobJones8PThese definitely benefit from an amp. Their impedance is right around 53 ohms and their sensitivity dips as low as 93 dB/mW. For context, they're a bit more power hungry than the Fostex Mahagony, Beyer 177X, Meze Noir, etc. all of which are full size closed back cans. They don't get loud enough nor sound their best out of my Pixel 3 and sound so much better from my ES100 or xDSD. Of you get them, do yourself a favor and give them some power and they'll then give you their best.
League544
535
Feb 27, 2020
ATXBBCI'd like to preface this with saying I'm extremely grateful that you're willing to take your time to help me. Would you say these are on par with the hd650s? I currently use my m6 pro 2s for pubg mobile ( to hear directional sound of footsteps and gunshots) would you say the tin audio is better in every aspect in that regard? Thank you yet again!!
jaydunndiddit
3262
Feb 27, 2020
League544The P1 isn't as warm as the 650/6XX and isn't as rolled off in the sub bass. They also have quite a bit more treble extension due to those peaks around 10k hz . The 650 are very mid forward and much more laid back. They're not really comparative to the P1, at all. And I really advise you to take the advice from that guy above with a huge dose of salt. I own the Atlas and 6 other IEMs from Campfire, as well as the P1, P2, Planamic and PX. They sound absolutely nothing like the Atlas. At all. It's not even close. The P1 has been around for several years now. You can look at any thread or the PX thread here and you'll see how everyone is shocked at how much power these require. Is rather you have all the correct I formation before getting these and being flatout disappointed in their sound due to underpowering them. Honestly, if you're looking for excellent clarity for mobile gaming, the Etymotic ER3/4 XR would be your best bet in your budget range and they don't need a lot of power at all. They have a cult like status for exceptional clarity and great mids. If you like your sound a bit warmer, the ER2XR may be a better suited for (it's a bit bassier).
ATXBBC
33
Feb 27, 2020
jaydunndidditDo they sound more like the Atlas or the Andromedas? Yeah, comparatively between those two choices it is hands-down the dynamic driver, which was the point I was clearly making. I have driven the Pinnacle P1s off of a $15 Solasomi Roger with no floor noise and plenty of clarity across all ranges. I do not own another pair of IEMs I can say that about. I would never waste money on a pair of Etymotics, which have a proprietary MMCX connection making cable upgrades and replacements impossible and challenging respectively. This is a subjective hobby. In my subjective opinion, the Pinnacle P1 is a great place to start for not a lot of money. Take it with a grain of salt if you like. I traded out my 650 for 660s. I agree with most of your comment above, with a strong objection to 'treble forward', though the lack of imaging and soundstage are much bigger differences in my opinion. I can't name an IEM under $200 that is on par with 650s. If you are looking for gaming, you will want something with soundstage and imaging though. Maybe look for a used pair of Audeze Isine10s?
jaydunndiddit
3262
Feb 27, 2020
ATXBBCIt has nothing to do about BA vs DF, the P1 sounds nothing like the Atlas or Andro. Their FR is pretty unique. I think you meant to say they have a more similar tonality to the Atlas since they are pure DD setups which I can understand. But they definitely do not have much else in common with the Atlas signature wise and that's not getting into their other technical differences (distortion, impedance, square waves, etc.) which is pretty well documented at this point. Misleading info is already pretty bad in this hobby despite what our subjective opinions say. Regarding power, I said the P1 benefits from amping (which you clearly were doing). Especially for more dynamic music, they get close to requiring damn near 2vrms of power which only the LG V family of phones applies. Even looking at the Tin P1 at 20 ohms / 95 dBmW, the Pinnacle asks for almost double the amount of voltage with it's 53 ohm / 96 dBmW sensitivity. They both have virtually flat impedance curves so OI won't play a factor here as well. Again, not basing anything on your subjective opinion, the Pinnacle is power hungry for an IEM even compared to a lot of full size closed back cans and more so than the Tin P1. That's just the objective truth. And I'm guessing you've never even heard the Ety. It sounds VERY close to the HD 650 in IEM form under the $200 price point. Otherwise, you'll have to spend more to get to a similar FR. And we do agree in the 650; I gave mine away to a friend after getting the Elex and Clear. They just do the whole HD650 thing better, IMO. But I've always enjoyed the 600 and even the 58X more than the 650 anyway. It's the one headphone where I have never quite understood the hype. At least the 800 has the best trick of it's soundstage despite being a bit hot in the treble for my taste.
ATXBBC
33
Feb 27, 2020
jaydunndidditEverything other than the power hungry comment, I agree with. The fact is, when I plug these in to a shitty source they still sound great. I can't say that about my other 'power hungry' cans.
Jakob
377
Jun 29, 2020
jaydunndidditAgreed, the impedance is high for iem and more importantly the sensitivity is really low at 93db. These need power. It's almost odd, these kinds of numbers from a tiny iem.
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