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JTURK
6
Apr 7, 2015
Can anyone even find a new Modern Masters Booster Bundle on ebay/amazon or another retailer's site?
JTURKTrue as of this posting: deck box with sleeves for $7.50, free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Deck-Box-Pro-Dual-Modern-Masters/dp/B00D2JKLFK
Booster box that averages between $15-16 per pack (yesterday I saw I posting for $375)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MODERN-MASTERS-FACTORY-SEALED-BOOSTER-BOX-MTG-Magic-the-Gathering-/271817995560
Single packs (found sets of 3 for $20 per pack yesterday, but you can buy more than one)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-MTG-modern-masters-booster-pack-/111630737520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19fdb5e070
If you mean MM 2015, those are already getting gouged at about $300 per box online. Some local game stores may have sign up sheets to pre order at a $40 discount on MSRP ($240 MSRP, $200 with a good LGS pre order discount) but you have to be lucky to have one in your home town. Depending on spoilers, this could get better or worse the closer things get to release. Honestly, if WOC wanted to get these packs in the hands of players, they should make LGS only sale the majority of these at MSRP for exclusively the store's draft tournaments.
If someone knew a distributor who could get mass drop a $200 deal on MM15 boxes, that could be a great deal for a drop...
JTURK
6
Apr 7, 2015
Newish_MTG_PlayerHey Newish,
Thank you for the info. I think the MM15 Mass Drop will def come. I am excited to see the set card list. So far, I saw Karn is being reprinted.
Speaking to the MM Booster Bundle MassDrop though.....
I guess what I meant (in my original post) was an actual Modern Masters Booster Bundle (the whole package). I have not found one on ebay, star city, or any of the other major e-commerce sites.
However, piecing it together, my research resulted in:
- 3 MM Booster Packs = $60-$62 (roughly $20 /per pack (plus shipping)) - Deck Box + 80 MM Sleeves = $10 (free shipping)
Total = $70 (give or take a few bucks)
From a collectors and historical MTG statistics stand point, the value of this stuff will only go up.
In my opinion, I think you will see a MM Booster Bundle going for about $100-$125 within 6 months (assuming the Tarmogoyf value stays at $175-$200).
If there is nobody on eBay retailing the same thing, then us MM Booster Bundle owners may have the ability to help set the market price.
I feel like this a unique item that has the same pricing structure potential as a fat pack.
Again, this is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree.
JTURKPiecing it together at the prices I provided in the links above (including shipping) for today, puts the fair market value between $52-67 (since this is a mass order, the average price per pack from buying a box is what a group purchase should compare against). Took less than 5 minutes to find those prices. The drop is listed between $75-65, so on the bottom end of the drop, it is merely matching the market, not providing a deal. At the top end, you would actually be better just buying the items by yourself. I mention this here merely to encourage mass drop to provide a better offer in the future, since there is supposed to be a discount here from bulk purchasing that beats what any one person can easily find on their own.
Mass Drop is the equivalent of a group of friends buying in bulk to get a discount. If you and 7 friends (8 people total) bought a booster box of MM on Ebay for $375-379, and split it evenly, 3 packs per person, you'd be in the $15-16 range per pack, then bought the box + sleeves for $7.50, that's where I get the numbers from. Since I don't have 7 friends who want 3 packs of MM, that's where Mass Drop comes in. I'm not sure what their margin is for facilitating this between the individuals wanting to form a group, and the distributors, but the middle man needs to do better to beat the market on this drop.
Whatever this is worth 6 months from now is irrelevant. Mass Drop is competing against what EBay is offering today.
If MM15 was offered for MSRP here today, I'd be all over it. $240-200 for a drop range, I would hope, would be a mutually beneficial drop. At even MSRP for MM 15, I bet the drop would be sold out in minutes.
Here's a reddit discussion about Modern Masters, posted 1 year ago, when people were discussing whether $200 was too much for a box on Massdrop. Oh the irony.
http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1f7xvd/massdrops_modern_masters_sale_sold_out_in/
Newish_MTG_PlayerHey @Newish_MTG_Player, I really appreciate the detail that you guys have been providing in checking out this deal and wanted to give you some background on our side so you have as much information as possible.
When it comes to out of print or limited-run Magic products, it turns out that the group buy economics don't work out that well. When I say "I want to buy a box of Modern Masters at the lowest possible price," it's pretty likely that I can find a box at ~3% off of the market price. If I need to get 10-20 boxes, suddenly I actually probably have to pay a bit of a premium over the market price because I'm asking one or more people to fork over their entire stock of something they will never get again.
So, when you price out these packs out of a box you are pretty close to what we need to pay for it. Also, it is more economical to ship out a booster box than eight 3-packs of Modern Masters, so the savings we might be able to pick up on some cheap boxes is basically negated when we try to break up the box to get a few packs out to each community member. There are also non-trivial costs to our vendor breaking up the boxes and packing them up for each order which you don't see in a simple box price.
So, if our pricing isn't all that great, why do this drop? Because the community is constantly asking for Modern Masters and the only way to bring it to you while also providing some real value is to break boxes up into smaller bundles that come with the peace of mind that a trusted vendor is packing them without mapping them (see earlier discussion on this drop concerning that topic).
Massdrop is supposed to be exactly what you mentioned above: a group of 8 friends splitting the cost of a box because you don't have 380 bucks to drop on a box. Getting you wholesale pricing on Modern Masters is simply not possible, but we do the best we can.
cameronbachmanI guess now the group knows to stop asking for MM drops then, because Mass Drop's prices are the same as the market. My assumption was that vendors are willing to provide a significant discount in exchange for a fast, high volume sale, but I suppose if every vendor that has MM boxes thinks they can sale these at fair market value in the future, and don't need a fast, high volume sale; if that's the case, then this just isn't a suitable drop. But, I'm not sure it's a fair assumption that there are no distributors out there that are sitting on a bunch of this product that would like to liquidate a high volume of it without waiting for the right single persons to come along willing to pay fair market value. The reason I'm not so sure my assumption is false, is because there have been good deals on Mass Drops before on items that demand much higher value, but distributors are hard pressed to find mass quantities of buyers.
For example: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/born-of-the-gods-prerelease-kit-5-pack
(Good deal, but not a set I liked, and is rotating out of standard soon)
Any suggestions on what sorts of products do not bring a significant discount, verses ones that do? That would help the community make a more informed voting decision. Additionally, for high demand, collector items, MSRP is misleading (as has already been pointed out). I think providing a estimate for fair market value would be more useful on these sorts of items in the future. I don't expect buyers to see all of the discount, because Mass Drop has to turn a profit, obviously, as does the distributors who have to ship the item. But, there just doesn't seem to be any meeting in the middle on this particular drop, which, as you pointed out, just might speak to Mass Drop not being able to find a competitive distributor on this item. I say the prices here are not competitive because the process of group purchasing is harder on the buyer than clicking "Buy it now" on EBay, or Amazon, so for the extra effort on the buyer's side, there should be an upside in the form of a significant discount. Consumer confidence that a product isn't "Mapped" is negligible in my opinion, since other online stores also have buyer protection programs in place, and seller ratings, but again, obviously some buyers disagree with me, because enough have bought into this drop for it to fire.
JTURK
6
Apr 8, 2015
Newish_MTG_PlayerStop trolling bro. They are doing the best they can to get us the best price.
You should know that MM was printed in an extremely limited wave and the supply is low.
Trying to get a steal of a price on an out-of-print high demand box is extremely tough. That is like trying to find an Urza's Saga box for $800 when the fair market price is over $1000.
If you are not interested in buying the product, then just don't participate.
There are enough of us who are interested and appreciate MassDrop bringing the product to us.
JTURKNot trolling, just giving information to buyers in hopes of improving competition. Sorry for the buyers remorse, it's collateral damage. I Appreciate the honest and friendly responses from the admins. If you bought this drop, you got a fair deal, just not a discount.